Some seem to dislike small pistol primer in 45ACP

[357reloading]

Some seem to dislike small pistol primers in 45ACP. Why? I have easy 20# of 45 ACP indoor range brass and I really dont want to sort.

[Reload3006]

the biggest reason I dont like them is they get mixed up with LP brass and it causes a problem especially in progressive setups. As you can imagine a LP will not go in a SP hole.

[357reloading]

that makes sense. If I dont want to sort, then will need to make the price right.

[Dan Cash]

the biggest reason I dont like them is they get mixed up with LP brass and it causes a problem especially in progressive setups. As you can imagine a LP will not go in a SP hole.

+ an infinite number. Small primers in a .45 case are un natural and an abomination of the Laws of God. As it is said in the great south land, "that jist hain't raat."

[Bulltipper]

KRUUUUUNCH goes the Dillon...

[edler7]

I have easy 20# of 45 ACP indoor range brass and I really dont want to sort.

I think you answered your own question.

[357reloading]

yep is the reloading issue. thought might be an issue with small primer not doing the job. thanks for replys.

[Calamity Jake]

Some seem to dislike small pistol primers in 45ACP. Why? I have easy 20# of 45 ACP indoor range brass and I really dont want to sort.

Auh, comeon man, where's your sence if adventure? [smilie=1: :mrgreen:

[AR-15 Cowboy]

I never understood why they have both sizes for the same caliber. Did some commercial company have an overstock of the small and then decide to have cases manufactured to match. From a ballistics standpoint, there is not supposed to be any difference.

[jcwit]

Small primers in 45 ACP, just another cartridge I can use the small rifle primers in!

[montana_charlie]

Small primers in 45 ACP, just another cartridge I can use the small rifle primers in!
Rifle primers are 'taller' than pistol primers. Aren't you worried about slam fires?
CM

[Mk42gunner]

My personal opinion is that when the .45 ACP was developed, the U.S. military was only using large primers so that is what was used for the .45. Anybody know what size the .38 Long Colt took?

I know there was .38 Special and .357 Magnum brass that used large primers. The useable case capacity of the .357 and .45 are within .01cc of each other; whichever primer works for one will work for the other.

When they switched the .357 to SP, they should have switched the .45.

Robert

[RayinNH]

I never understood why they have both sizes for the same caliber. Did some commercial company have an overstock of the small and then decide to have cases manufactured to match. From a ballistics standpoint, there is not supposed to be any difference.

I believe it started when the "green" primers came out...Ray

[RayinNH]

If I had that many cases I would bite the boolit [smilie=l: and sort them. Put the small ones away for the next primer shortage. It may allow you to keep shooting. If you shoot at an indoor range that doesn't allow you to pick up the brass, get rid of them that way...Ray

[MtGun44]

I have around 4000 or more LP cases in stock and they really muck up the works when
one gets mixed in the program on my Dillon 550.

Bill

[L1A1Rocker]

Rifle primers are 'taller' than pistol primers. Aren't you worried about slam fires?
CM

Only the large ones are taller. The small primers have the same external dimensions.

[snuffy]

The small primer 45 acp came about because the non-toxic primers were only made in the small pistol size. The reason for that is; the non toxic primer compound is MUCH more energetic than the standard lead styphonate primer compound. They would back out of the pocket when fired, so some were crimped. They then found out that enlarging the flash hole helped solve the back-out problem.

I have yet to see any around where I dig for brass. Very little scrap brass around my ranges, most of the members reload, so slim pickens.

[klcarroll]

Personally, I prefer the small primer 45ACP.

It makes my primer inventory simpler.

Kent

[Moonie]

I don't like the small primer brass as I use a progressive, I've taken to forming small primer brass into 400 corbon.

[Hogokansatsukan]

I've been looking to buy 45acp with the small primer pockets. I hate changing my primer feeder over in my press and the only other round I load for that takes large pistol is the .44 mag.
If anyone is looking to get rid of these... drop me line.
It seems they can't make a NT large pistol primer which is the reason these exist with the small primer.

[firefly1957]

I have some OLD 38 cases with large pistol primers they really cause a problem in a progressive press.

[AnthonyB]

I'm a BIG fan of the SP 45 ACP. Very few others want it, so I get it cheap! I sort all my brass anyway, so it is a non-issue for me.
Tony

[jcwit]

Rifle primers are 'taller' than pistol primers. Aren't you worried about slam fires?
CM


This is true of large primers, large rifle primers are taller than large pistol primers

Here we're talking of small primers. Small rifle primers are the same height as small pistol primers.

So we are in no danger of a slam fire.

[tomme boy]

I could almost bet you can blame Walmart for the current SP primers. They set a price an if you can not meet it, they will not buy it from you. If you look at it from a manufacturing view, it cost less to run the SP primers. Down time is money. When most all pistols are primed with a small primer, Why switch. Having less inventory to handle, Less down time on set up changes. Its a win win for ATK.

[Exclr8]

I like the small primers because if i accidentally pick up a large and it get mixed in with my small, no problem. The primer does not seat and i can feel that it didn't. I just remove it from the lock and load and pitch it in the spare brass bucket. Make loading 45 acp on a progressive less worrisome. Also like not having to change over to large primers and not having to keep two different sizes.

[MikeD7]

I've been looking to buy 45acp with the small primer pockets. I hate changing my primer feeder over in my press and the only other round I load for that takes large pistol is the .44 mag.
If anyone is looking to get rid of these... drop me line.
It seems they can't make a NT large pistol primer which is the reason these exist with the small primer.

PM coming your way! I have tons of SP 45s

[jcwit]

I suspect the SPP all started with the non toxic rounds and way back they had a very large flash hole so maybe the manufacturer used a small primer for that reason, who knows. I doubt it was from WalMart purchasing power.

[DIRT Farmer]

I like the 1.5 k I got for twenty dollars because no one wanted to buy them. There were a few LP primed ones mixed in, those are hard to catch if you miss them, the small primer goes in and stayes in the primer cup.

[Blammer]

ever try jamming a LP in a SP hole? that's why they are not in favor.

terrible on the 'routine' when ONE shows up.

now if that is all you had, then one with a LP hole would throw the monkey in the wrench.

[runfiverun]

they done it to *** me off.
they knew i went and totally stocked up on large primers, and have only a few thousand small primers on hand.

[tomme boy]

You must not have ever delt with Walmart then if you don't believe they at least had a little to do with it. I do not think the older NT has anything to do with it. Stand back an take a look how much they save by not having to switch over to a LP primer.

Trust me, I have been doing maintenance an set up in factories for over 15 years. Anytime you can cut time make a process run better or smother, the more money that is saved and made. Less downtime = more money. That is all that maters to the higher ups.

[edsmith]

I always inspect my brass. I don't understand those who do not inspect their brass, way too many things that could go wrong with uninspected brass. I sure would not shoot any that was not inspected.

[AR-15 Cowboy]

A friend of mine was telling me that the industry is developing a universal primer that will work with all boolit loads and calibers. I don't know if that is true or not, anybody hear anything about that?

[jcwit]

You must not have ever delt with Walmart then if you don't believe they at least had a little to do with it. I do not think the older NT has anything to do with it. Stand back an take a look how much they save by not having to switch over to a LP primer.

Trust me, I have been doing maintenance an set up in factories for over 15 years. Anytime you can cut time make a process run better or smother, the more money that is saved and made. Less downtime = more money. That is all that maters to the higher ups.

I was a production supervisor for a Rec. Vehicle supplier. Don't try to tell me about downtime, changeovers, saving time=money ect, ect. I measured monies saved to pennies on the hour. My predecessors record was 70,000 ft in an 8 hour shift, I accomplished 260,000 feet in an 8 hour shift and did an avg of over 200,000 feet daily on a weekly basis. Yup I know all about it.

We supplied Winnebago, Coachmen, Jayco, ForestRiver, Keystone, ect, ect. These are just a few of the larger ones.

[tomme boy]

So if a line goes down, are you making money?

Time is money.

[jcwit]

The primary object is to never let a line go down completly. There were times I worked thru the entire night so that would not happen. Ever try to put in a 32 hour day?

[tomme boy]

Done 24. Slept for 5 then came in an did a 12. Lightning hit the gas house and set off 24 of the balls for the fire suppression system. Each ball carried 12 gal of water. Then the regular spray heads turn on. You have to be certified by the BATF to work on these balls. I would not touch them so I never got certified.

Some of the stuff we made, you had to have down time. You just tried to keep it short as possible. Some of the chemicals we mixed could be a very bad thing if they were to be mixed.

[missionary5155]

Good morning
As best I know I do not have any... but this is the kind of stuff I would do when the news is on or watching some sports event during comercials.
Mike in Peru

[dragon813gt]

If WalMart is the cause then why do the ones I have bought from there have LPP?


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[Reload3006]

I have been wrong about a great number of things so if this is another Oh well. I have been lead to believe that they made Small Primer pocket 45 for easy identification for indoor ranges to distinguish Non Toxic ammo from Ammo containing Lead. Both work equally as well just a pain in the back side in my XL650 and Square Deal. But nothing we cant get over. As far as cost of production I dont see how its anymore expensive to punch a big hole as a small one. production costs would be the same after the initial tooling was purchased. Since 45acp has been LP primed for past 40 years that I have been doing it SP was a new tooling adventure and It cost more money I doubt that Walmart had anything to do with that. Its more than likely a government thing. At least that would be my best guess.

[Kraschenbirn]

I've got something like 4000 LPP .45 ACPs on hand...about 2/3 milsurp and the rest commercial. Any .45 ACP range pick-ups that come my way are immediately inspected and sorted: LPPs into the tumbler, SPPs into the recycle bin. Problem solved before it became a problem...kinda like the ol' cattleman's solution to hoof & mouth disease.

Bill

[ErikO]

I was a production supervisor for a Rec. Vehicle supplier. Don't try to tell me about downtime, changeovers, saving time=money ect, ect. I measured monies saved to pennies on the hour. My predecessors record was 70,000 ft in an 8 hour shift, I accomplished 260,000 feet in an 8 hour shift and did an avg of over 200,000 feet daily on a weekly basis. Yup I know all about it.

We supplied Winnebago, Coachmen, Jayco, ForestRiver, Keystone, ect, ect. These are just a few of the larger ones.

If you worked for a composits manufacturer somewhere off of I-80 I think I worked in the vending machine section of that same company.

[ErikO]

Since I don't have a progressive yet, I keep the SP Federal brass seperate from the others. No big deal for me, but I do get why folks have trouble.

[jcwit]

If you worked for a composits manufacturer somewhere off of I-80 I think I worked in the vending machine section of that same company.

Nope, Aluminum & plastic extrusions and misc. hardware.

[Adam10mm]

I really wish pistol cartridges were all small primer, even my beloved 10mm and .45 ACP, which don't need a large primer.

Bigger cases like the .41 mag, .44 Mag, .45 Colt should have a large primer.

[30cal]

Some seem to dislike small pistol primers in 45ACP. Why? I have easy 20# of 45 ACP indoor range brass and I really dont want to sort.

Sounds like a government operation,two primer sizes for one caliber

[mirage2521]

If I had that many cases I would bite the boolit [smilie=l: and sort them. Put the small ones away for the next primer shortage. It may allow you to keep shooting. If you shoot at an indoor range that doesn't allow you to pick up the brass, get rid of them that way...Ray

I never heard of that. That would be a one time trip I think.

[firefly1957]

Seems to me the 45 GAP had small pistol primers to help keep them for being mixed up with 45 ACP cases? Am I wrong?

[Hogokansatsukan]

PM coming your way! I have tons of SP 45s

PM Responded to.

On an aside, wouldn't it be possible to have .44 magnum brass with a small primer pocket as well, and use a small rifle primer.

As you may have gathered, I just hate changing out the primer feeder in my Lock and Load progressive.

[AnthonyB]

I wish all you guys who don't like SP 45 ACP would save them for me! I'll gladly pay more than you are getting at the recycler for once-fired SP brass.
Tony

[rockrat]

Loading some on the Dillon today. Missed a small primered case in the sort. BANG. Flame shot up about 4". Ears kind of smarted. Had to re-sort. Missed another one, but it only went "crunch".
Gonna keep a pair of pliars next to where I sort, so I don't get that again