Shipping outside the US. Seller Warning.

[Zbench]

You are smart to waive off of ANY international shipment. Unless you have an export license from the State Department, you can't legally ship ANY articles that COULD be used to wage war. I too was once ignorant of the export laws, that is until a fateful day last year when two ICE agents arrived at my home asking questions about why I shipped 20 pounds of .40SW brass to Lithuania without said license.

Fortunately, I got by with a warning. It didn't hurt that I owned a shooting range and the agents were interested in stopping by to shoot when they were off duty. Take it from me, if you ship brass outside of these United States, and your package is opened, you too will get a visit from Homeland Security.


Getting off the soap box now, but be very careful.

Pete

For those who might be interested, see Cat III below:

§ 121.1 -- General. The United States munitions list.
(a) The following articles, services and related technical data are designated as defense articles and defense services pursuant to sections 38 and 47(7) of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778 and 2794(7)). Changes in designations will be published in the Federal Register. Information and clarifications on whether specific items are defense articles and services under this subchapter may appear periodically in the Defense Trade News published by the Center for Defense Trade.

(b) Significant military equipment: An asterisk precedes certain defense articles in the following list. The asterisk means that the article is deemed to be "significant military equipment" to the extent specified in § 120.19. The asterisk is placed as a convenience to help identify such articles.

(c) Certain items in the following list are placed in brackets. The brackets mean that the item is (1) scheduled to be moved to the licensing jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce upon establishment of a foreign policy control or (2) in the case of spacecraft and related equipment, the item is under review by an interagency space technical working group. The interagency review will result in a recommendation as to whether an item should be moved to the jurisdiction of the Department of Commerce or to USML category XV which was established for this purpose.

(d) Missile Technology Control Regime Annex (MTCR). Certain defense articles and services are identified in § 121.16 as being on the list of MTCR Annex items on the United States Munitions List. These are articles as specified in § 120.29 of this subchapter and appear on the list at § 121.16.

Category I-Firearms
*(a) Nonautomatic, semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms to caliber .50 inclusive, and all components and parts for such firearms. (See § 121.9 and §§ 123.16-123.19 of this subchapter.)

(b) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications, and specifically designed or modified components therefor; firearm silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

*(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms or other weapons having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts therefor.

(d) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

Category II-Artillery Projectors
*(a) Guns over caliber .50, howitzers, mortars, and recoilless rifles.

*(b) Military flamethrowers and projectors.

(c) Components, parts, accessories and attachments for the articles in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this category, including but not limited to mounts and carriages for these articles.

(d) Technical data (as defined in 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (c) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

Category III-Ammunition
*(a) Ammunition for the arms in Categories I and II of this section. (See § 121.6.)

(b) Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for articles in paragraph (a) of this category, including but not limited to cartridge cases, powder bags, bullets, jackets, cores, shells (excluding shotgun shells), projectiles, boosters, fuzes and components therefor, primers, and other detonating devices for such ammunition. (See § 121.6.)

(c) Ammunition belting and linking machines.

*(d) Ammunition manufacturing machines and ammunition loading machines (except handloading ones).

(e) Technical data (as defined in § 120.21 of this subchapter) and defense services (as defined in § 120.8 of this subchapter) directly related to the defense articles enumerated in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this category. (See § 125.4 of this subchapter for exemptions.) Technical data directly related to the manufacture or production of any defense articles enumerated elsewhere in this category that are designated as Significant Military Equipment (SME) shall itself be designated SME.

[SciFiJim]

Molds would come under IIId "(except handloading ones)". It looks like group buys for molds are still OK.

[milsurp mike]

Thx for the Info.I read this Yesterday before it was a Sticky and realized I had an order waiting a Money Order.Order was cancalled last night.Thx Again Mike

[DukeInMaine]

I've also had some guys in Canada want me to ship 50 BMG brass to them.

No sir, not gonna do it!

[kodiak1]

Zbench
Good post hope you folks can get that law amended a little after you change out your government next election.
Some of the stuff on there is down right pathetic.

Ken

[patsher]

You sure got THAT right!

Pat

[HDS]

You are smart to waive off of ANY international shipment. Unless you have an export license from the State Department, you can't legally ship ANY articles that COULD be used to wage war. I too was once ignorant of the export laws, that is until a fateful day last year when two ICE agents arrived at my home asking questions about why I shipped 20 pounds of .40SW brass to Lithuania without said license.

Fortunately, I got by with a warning. It didn't hurt that I owned a shooting range and the agents were interested in stopping by to shoot when they were off duty. Take it from me, if you ship brass outside of these United States, and your package is opened, you too will get a visit from Homeland Security.


Getting off the soap box now, but be very careful.

So much for free trade...

[Tallyman]

Sure am glad you posted this warning!! Does this also apply to the Chinese, Iranians and other foreign nationals stealing our technology and nuclear secrets to produce their own weapons? I hope Hillary is checking into this and complaining to the UN about it!

[Katya Mullethov]

Dont sweat the - International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR)
Just tell em you're gonna "Take down a cartel" . :Fire:

[MikeS]

I wonder in the excemption IIId if a progressive press is considered handloading, or manufacturing ammo? I also further wonder if they can say a brick of lead qualifies if the sale happens either here, or on gunbroker, or even eBay when the lead is in the Molds section, so the seller has reason to believe the lead in question is going to be used to manufacture bullets? Sort of like how if you have a baseball bat in your car, and it's the only baseball related item in the car it's considered a weapon, but if there's also a catcher's mitt in the car, then it's sporting equipment. You know, just once I would love to see a law that actually makes sense!

[Alvarez Kelly]

I wonder in the excemption IIId if a progressive press is considered handloading, or manufacturing ammo? I also further wonder if they can say a brick of lead qualifies if the sale happens either here, or on gunbroker, or even eBay when the lead is in the Molds section, so the seller has reason to believe the lead in question is going to be used to manufacture bullets? Sort of like how if you have a baseball bat in your car, and it's the only baseball related item in the car it's considered a weapon, but if there's also a catcher's mitt in the car, then it's sporting equipment. You know, just once I would love to see a law that actually makes sense!
Dillon does not offer power units for their machines because if they did, they could NOT ship overseas without lots of hassles. Their progressive machines are all manually operated, "hobby" machines. And that's the way they want to keep it. Once you add power, the whole game changes.

Or so I've been told...

[DukeInMaine]

http://www.starlinebrass.com/shipping_info.php

If the manufacturers don't because of export laws, we shouldn't either.

I would think Ken should make it a new policy that sales of export license items outside of the USA are not allowed here. I know that has a negative effect, but why allow folks, and perhaps this forum to get into trouble?

[Red River Rick]

Where does it say that maufacturer's can't export?

RRR

[DukeInMaine]

What it says is that an EXPORT ***LICENSE*** is required.
That's not just for manufacturers.

Starline has decided to NOT spend the $$$ for the license. I personally will follow suit, and not send anything that Homeland Security would frown on outside of the borders.

[HDS]

The import license for a company is from what I know, not expensive and applies for the whole companys product. This adds your companys product to the DDTC list and being on that your products can now be legally exported as long as their value is less than 100 per shipment.

This is how Brownells operates and there are so many companies on the list from large to small that often I think that the companies that aren't on it don't know about it or find even that effort too much. It also allows others (brownells) to sell ones products for you.

Brass might be different I dunno. It's insane though and has gotten worse since 2001.

[Whistler]

It has gotten worse since 2010 even.
I buy all my brass, molds and dies through US forums and German auction sites.

The question I used to get was "Is it legal to receive gun related items in your country?"
Now its more like "Sorry, I'm not allowed to ship that outside the US".

The funny thing is that almost every single item related to firearms (brass, dies, presses) is made in the US. Its a large country of course, but I do believe the "rest of the world" is bigger. There should be statistics available how much is exported and how much is kept inside the US.

[HDS]

At least reloading equipment such as molds, presses, dies is yet to be affected as they are not gun parts or are mounted on guns.

I hope I didn't just jinx it, though I can't see a possible justification for it (then again I can't see any for the current rules either), do they think the taliban are gonna order a Dillon 1050 and start producing ammo in a cave or something?

It's beyond ridiculous at this stage, I am now in a position where it would be easier for me to acquire a permit and buy an AK-47 legally with permits and all, than I got any chance of buying a Classic/DX front sight for my 629 from the US...

[sh00ter787]

I am in the UK, I buy from companies in the states whenever I can. Tbh a company that will send to the UK I will support whenever possible (Brownells, although they use UPS are a last resort, Springfield Armoury are fantastic).

I have had companies refuse to ship mundane items such as stripper clips to the UK - very frustrating!
So this thread is saying that I can't get a scope or a flash suppressor from the US? What about magazines? Saiga 12 drum magazines are running at $500 plus over here, MD arms sell them for $90 each.... You get the idea of why we want to buy direct from the US?

[jpatm2]

So this thread is saying that I can't get a scope or a flash suppressor from the US? What about magazines? Saiga 12 drum magazines are running at $500 plus over here, MD arms sell them for $90 each.... You get the idea of why we want to buy direct from the US?

It just means that a company has to get a license to ship the products to you. I inquired about it and if I remember correctly, it cost upwards of $800. Not feasable for someone selling some brass they picked up at the range, but inline with what a distributer would be willing to do.

[jpatm2]

I would think Ken should make it a new policy that sales of export license items outside of the USA are not allowed here.

Why would you prohibit the sales if the seller wished to go the legal route? I believe this sticky is enough, because the seller should be trying to find out the legalities anyway. This thread will allow them to make their own decision.

[Zbench]

Guys,

The law is pretty straight forward. If the item can be used to make war, and is on the export ban list, it's not legal to ship it without a license. You certainly can get an export license and pay the fee, and deal with the associated reporting, you can refuse to ship OR you can just ignore it and risk getting arrested. Those are your choices.

Stuff like scopes and optics, rings, laser rangefinders, magazines, gun parts, stripper clips, flash suppressors and just about anthing else related to firearms is definitely included. Proceed at your own risk.

Pete

[blaser.306]

In a large percent of cases it does not matter what is or is not on "the list" as many members make up the regs as they go along. If anything , a clear cut itemization would be needed to help people make an informed decision . Even large co's have a hard time deciding on what is and is not "exportable"Large major sporting goods suppliers differ greatly on similar if not identical part #'s. And if they with large legal dept's cannot come to a clear answer , how can the average individual! Hopefully the laws can be (if not changed) amended after your next election to at very least exibit a small amount of , wait for it (common sense )!!!

[HDS]

Guys,

The law is pretty straight forward. If the item can be used to make war, and is on the export ban list, it's not legal to ship it without a license. You certainly can get an export license and pay the fee, and deal with the associated reporting, you can refuse to ship OR you can just ignore it and risk getting arrested. Those are your choices.

Stuff like scopes and optics, rings, laser rangefinders, magazines, gun parts, stripper clips, flash suppressors and just about anthing else related to firearms is definitely included. Proceed at your own risk.

Pete

It can help if you ask brownells for their DDTC list, its a word doc and if the maker of the part is on it, the value is <100$ , and its not a strictly forbidden item (suppressors, flash hiders, frames, cylinders, actions) then it should be okay. Like say a sear from Cylinder & SLide, or a 1911 magazine by Chip McCormick (okay if less than 10 rounds).

[Zbench]

I like how the people who live abroad and are not US citizens seek to educate those of us who are US citizens on what the law is. If you care, the entire ban list is located here. (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf)

If you read catagory III closely, it spefically talks about everything we use here on Cast Boolits. It does say that this category does not include "hand" reloading equipment. Wether moulds are reloading equipment or rather "Equipment or tooling specifically designed or modified for the articles controlled in this category" is open to debate.

You will also notice there is NO $100 or less limit. The idea is to not allow things that can make war to leave the country without the appropriate permit. It has nothing to do with taxes or money. So, either educate yourself on the law which is posted above, or just stop commenting on stuff which you have no idea about.

In case you didn't know, Finland and Canada are foreign countries and subject to the export law requirement.

Hope this clears it up.

Pete

[HDS]

I like how the people who live abroad and are not US citizens seek to educate those of us who are US citizens on what the law is. If you care, the entire ban list is located here. (http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf)

Being a US citizen does not automatically make you more informed on this matter and that's a ridiculous argument to even make.




If you read catagory III closely, it spefically talks about everything we use here on Cast Boolits. It does say that this category does not include "hand" reloading equipment. Wether moulds are reloading equipment or rather "Equipment or tooling specifically designed or modified for the articles controlled in this category" is open to debate.

You will also notice there is NO $100 or less limit. The idea is to not allow things that can make war to leave the country without the appropriate permit. It has nothing to do with taxes or money. So, either educate yourself on the law which is posted above, or just stop commenting on stuff which you have no idea about.

In case you didn't know, Finland and Canada are foreign countries and subject to the export law requirement.

Hope this clears it up.

Pete

ITAR parts always require a permit, I have gone through it before and exported AR-15s from the US successfully. But, you are now talking about apples while I am talking oranges here, so why don't you simmer down a bit?

The parts I mentioned as examples where not ITAR regulated as little as 6 months ago (if not evident by interpretation of the law, then by precedent, see brownells, numrich, midway). There can be difficulty for a private seller in assessing if a part is ITAR regulated or not however and in that case its best to just leave it be. Brass is certainly a thing you cannot export anymore without a permit for instance as well as the parts on the list you just made.

Though as I said, magazines with a capacity of less than 10 rounds have not been considered parts for making war, likewise that sear I ordered. I could not order a flash hider though, or a suppressor, or a scope (and some scopes are ITAR, others are not, but even non ITAR scopes require a permit, which is free to acquire though).

But if you are so certain of your correctness in this matter, maybe you would like to go and ring up Brownells (and Numrich too) and tell them they are violating the law on a daily basis and that their lawyers have gotten this whole thing all wrong. It would appear I and them broke the law a few months ago when I bought a bunch of 8rd magazines for my 1911 from them without any export permits at all.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/general/international_sales.aspx

EDIT: If I am wrong then I humbly beg forgiveness

[Zbench]

HDS,

The point I am trying to make, is, that the list is whatever our government says it is. It is vague enough that it could be covered, or not covered. As the vast majority of the folks on the board are US Citizens being asked to ship items abroad, and not the other way around, all the RISK in these matters falls to the SHIPPER, not the person receiving the shipment.

Add to that all this stuff about non-commercial use, under $100, etc which is all bunk, and you can see the problem. To your point, it is not illegal to ship gun parts abroad if you have the proper permit. I'm sure if you are Brownell's, they have the proper permit. That doesn't mean, that just because Brownell's can ship something, it's ok for anyone else to do it.

My intent in starting this thread was not to split hairs on what was covered, but to alert the masses here that if you just pretend that it's ok, you might get bit. If you get bit, it might have consequences.

[HDS]

I am sorry to be pedantic and while I agree with you in the overall scope that it's best for a private seller to not start mucking about with things he is not 100% clear on, I have to keep insisting that the 100 dollar limit actually exists. I do not consider this splitting hairs, just putting forward the facts and letting people decide, the waters are murky.

http://law.justia.com/cfr/title22/22-1.0.1.13.61.0.34.17.html

§ 123.17 Exports of firearms and ammunition.
(a) Except as provided in §126.1 of this subchapter, Port Directors of U.S. Customs and Border Protection shall permit the export without a license of components and parts for Category I(a) firearms, except barrels, cylinders, receivers (frames) or complete breech mechanisms when the total value does not exceed $100 wholesale in any transaction.

The hardest part for a private seller is determening if the part can be sold or not, infact this might be impossible for a person to determine without access to a comprehensible database and legal team like Brownells.

[DukeInMaine]

One thing is true:

Best not to give Homeland Security and the ATF any reason to come knocking on your door, and threaten to take away your guns just because you thought that you could sell $50 worth of brass to someone overseas. You will not win THEIR argument.

Not worth it in my book. Not worth it.

[BAGTIC]

Show them your 'Fast and Furious' I.D. card. That should get you a pass.

[milsurp mike]

There is still a Member here from another country who is trying to get me to sell him Brass.I have refuse His offer on several occasions.Be careful with these guys.Mike

[Tallyman]

Anyone who has asked the BATF how many guns one can buy and sell in a given period, without needing an FFL, can surely understand the vagueness of US laws designed to trap citizens of pure intent.

In the 1960s I had an ATF agent confiscate a small black powder cannon I was selling at a gun show because (he said) it was a non-handgun, concealable weapon and illegal under the National Firearms Act.

But it would seem to me that if I shipped an imported Chinese manufactured scope to a friend in Australia, it would not come under these regulations. However. . . . . . . . . ??



HDS,

The point I am trying to make, is, that the list is whatever our government says it is. It is vague enough that it could be covered, or not covered. As the vast majority of the folks on the board are US Citizens being asked to ship items abroad, and not the other way around, all the RISK in these matters falls to the SHIPPER, not the person receiving the shipment.

Add to that all this stuff about non-commercial use, under $100, etc which is all bunk, and you can see the problem. To your point, it is not illegal to ship gun parts abroad if you have the proper permit. I'm sure if you are Brownell's, they have the proper permit. That doesn't mean, that just because Brownell's can ship something, it's ok for anyone else to do it.

My intent in starting this thread was not to split hairs on what was covered, but to alert the masses here that if you just pretend that it's ok, you might get bit. If you get bit, it might have consequences.

[z4lunch]

Year an a half ago I tried to sell a Guy in Finland a March 50X rifle scope.
He paypal'd me and off we go... I shipped it through the mail, bout a month went by and he was getting nervous that I screwed him... Not only did he file a non receipt of an item with paypal, I got an 8 plus page letter from US Customs and Border Patrol on 610 S Canal street in Chicago IL. The short of the 2plus month process to get my scope back, was a detailed letter what I was trying to do, a $250 fine paid by me, a prepaid Priority mail label addressed back to me, oh and the letter I wrote had to be notarized ,and one of the docs I had to sign basically said I wouldn't sue them. When the scope showed I had to send a return doc that I received the scope back... I am so dun with this sticky and all the posts, I cant even believe you guy's would even consider sending something over seas...I will never send anything out of the US again. My lesson only cost me $300 ish and lots of stress. It could have cost me the back side of $3000 if the scope never showed back up... Don't walk run when a euro wants you to ship something overseas.
my 2 cents
Steve

[Tallyman]

Year an a half ago I tried to sell a Guy in Finland a March 50X rifle scope.
He paypal'd me and off we go... I shipped it through the mail, bout a month went by and he was getting nervous that I screwed him... Not only did he file a non receipt of an item with paypal, I got an 8 plus page letter from US Customs and Border Patrol on 610 S Canal street in Chicago IL. The short of the 2plus month process to get my scope back, was a detailed letter what I was trying to do, a $250 fine paid by me, a prepaid Priority mail label addressed back to me, oh and the letter I wrote had to be notarized ,and one of the docs I had to sign basically said I wouldn't sue them. When the scope showed I had to send a return doc that I received the scope back... I am so dun with this sticky and all the posts, I cant even believe you guy's would even consider sending something over seas...I will never send anything out of the US again. My lesson only cost me $300 ish and lots of stress. It could have cost me the back side of $3000 if the scope never showed back up... Don't walk run when a euro wants you to ship something overseas.
my 2 cents
Steve


Are March scopes US made or foreign?

[z4lunch]

March scopes are made in Japan

[HDS]

That's hilarious, can't ship a scope made in japan outside the US... because terrorists?

[Whistler]

I've even had trouble buying things made in Sweden from the US.
It is strange, we make the product, export it to the US and cannot import it back because of US terrorist regulations. Make you cringe.
You would be amazed of the amount of modern utilities and supplies that you guys use daily in the US that are made in the nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway). How many of you own a Husqvarna chainsaw or lawn mower for example? I've had an American fellow at a dinner say it was one of the best American brands he knew. Guess what, this dinner was in my home town, 5 miles from our suburb Husqvarna were this stuff is made.

Back to topic... Why would you go about reimporting? Price and availability of course. Stuff that cost $200 in the US cost $5-600 in Sweden. Buying the same item second hand for $150 saves you $450 on one single item. Of course we "try" to buy, but I am really tired of the rude remarks and replies us "foreigners" get from some of the members on this site. Some of us try to keep an eye on current export/import regulations, but a lot of time the seller is the one who's ignorant and it does not feel very friendly to be accused of trying to coerce the seller into crime and especially not because of "terrorist" actions.

I'll stick to group buys only from now on. I'm tired of the attitude in Swappin & Sellin. I will stop to offer stuff for sale, but knowing myself I will probably not be able to pass up a good deal should I find a friendly seller who's read up on the "export list of the day".

Scopes of non military application have been released from regulation, just so you know, free to export/import just as you like.

[milsurp mike]

I agree With some of the other people who posted,I want be selling and shipping anything outside of the US.I don't like doing this but I think it will save me alot of trouble in the Future.Mike.

[Tallyman]

[/QUOTE] Scopes of non military application have been released from regulation, just so you know, free to export/import just as you like.[/QUOTE]

Need to know. . .where did you find this information - and how is a non-military scope defined?

[Whistler]

This came from theopticzone.com in January 2012:


The US Government has a new policy for exporting Riflescopes to Sweden. Below are the conditions that must be agreed too, so an export license is not required under STA in 740.20.

Conditions:

1. A [whatever sight you decide to order], under ECCN 0A987, will be shipped pursuant to License Exception Strategic Trade Authorization (STA) in §740.20 of the United States Export Administration Regulations (15 CFR 740.20)

2. The ECCN number has been informed in the above condition to [your name here] by TheOpticZone.com.

3. Consignee, [your name here], agrees that the above item shipped pursuant to License Exception STA may not subsequently be reexported pursuant to paragraphs (a) or (b) of License Exception APR (15 CFR 740.16(a) or (b)).

4. Consignee agrees not to export, reexport or transfer this item/items to any destination, use or user prohibited by the United States Export Administration Regulations.

5. Consignee agrees to provide copies of this document and all other export, reexport or transfer records relevant to the items referenced in this statement to the U.S. Government as set forth in 15 CFR 762.7.

If you agree to the conditions above, we can ship the order out to you without applying for an export license with the US Government.

It is also possible to get a cost free export permit for certain items for private sellers on eBay etc (should also apply to Castboolits).

[SciFiJim]

It is also possible to get a cost free export permit for certain items for private sellers on eBay etc (should also apply to Castboolits).

I would like more info on this. If you can point to a link I would appreciate it.

[M.A.D]

Presses, Reloading dies, Swaging dies, Bullet molds, Non military spec optics are all fine for export.... But cases, projectiles, jackets, primers, mil spec optics, major components all require a permit... Mind you, some savvy American could make a nice easy $5000 a week business for a low cost off $2750 for the license and only charge the 3% of good plus post and a $100 transaction fee... Hint anyone....

[quasi]

FYI to all the "Foreigners" shipping products from Canada to other countries is perfectly legal. Things are not as cheap here as the US generally, but they are still much cheaper than most of the world.

[taminsong]

"FYI to all the "Foreigners" shipping products from Canada to other countries is perfectly legal. Things are not as cheap here as the US generally, but they are still much cheaper than most of the world."

Yeah, I think that would be a better idea. I still want to buy from the members here because I owe this site a lot. But it seems I could be branded as a Muslim terrorist or supporting the terrorist because I'm buying pistol brass! :D

[Red River Rick]

FYI, shotshell componets are exempted..............they are legal to export. Including brass shotgun shells.

RRR

[Hamish]

Regarding declaration of value for international shipment, I made the mistake of listing replacement cost in case of loss of the package, instead of an actual lowball estimation of value, which resulted in the receiver paying heavy Duty cost.

[HDS]

This is an article on the effects of ITAR, you might all want to read it as it affects not only us foreigners, it also affects you and american companies and is set to only get worse in the long run:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B20VYXOOQPQ0bFE1NHZMN1JtV1E/edit?pli=1#

[Texinoz]

Guys, just a little balance here, others have correctly listed non-permitted exports such as loaded ammo, some brass, major firearms components - actions and barrels esp - but there are several exemptions, such as non critical parts and shipments under $100 total value. There are also much less issues with shipping to ALLIES such as Australia. For us in OZ, the problem is import restrictions more than export out of the USA. I'm sure NONE of you would export to the middle east and certain other countries regardless...

[kend]

It just means that a company has to get a license to ship the products to you. I inquired about it and if I remember correctly, it cost upwards of $800.

$2250 per year.

[johnnybar]

$2250 per year.

That's why the requests from New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Canada and a few others, gets the "Sorry, USA only" message on this seeming harmless Mosin rifle part:
61562
It's a 3/4" tall front sight post that solves the high point of impact issues that many Mosins have.

[paulezo]

What about rubber grips for a revolver? Hogue doesn't sell their X-frame grips directly, they are available just in S&W online store (which doesn't ship outside U.S.).

Do you think my aunt who lives in the U.S. would have any problems if she forwarded the rubber grip to me? (EU)

Thanks.

[primersp]

i don't think they have any problem, for us only for the barrel,slide ,frame,magazine the customs may be nervous.

[paulezo]

merci, I think the same, nobody is going to start a war with rubber grip :) but one never knows what can be included in the list of gun parts.

[khmer6]

i had someone ask me to ship brass to europe today, nooooo way. not risking my freedom. i noticed that recoil springs are classified as "munitions" and will not be shipped internationally. strange

[johnnybar]

i had someone ask me to ship brass to europe today, nooooo way. not risking my freedom. i noticed that recoil springs are classified as "munitions" and will not be shipped internationally. strange

Part of a weapon system that can be used to wage war. Same as a front sight, that I posted. A can of wood finish, for example, is not critical to the operation of a weapon. But lube, made specifically for a weapon system, would make me pucker if asked to send outside the 50.

[paulezo]

I see ... IMO generally what is not available for international transport in online stores shouldn't be sent by an individual either. It seems so to me.

[EDG]

Whistler,
Can you explain the factors that result in a locally produced item in Sweden having such an inflated cost compared to the same item that has to be shipped trans-Alantic before it can be markets at a much lower cost in the US. Do you have ad valorum taxes, excessive retail marketing costs or what that creates such difference between the actual cost to manufacture and the purchase price. The reason I ask I once worked as a value engineer. I can accurately estimate the cost to manufacture any product so it is easy to attack a company's selling cost when it is inflated with excessive markup.





I've even had trouble buying things made in Sweden from the US.
It is strange, we make the product, export it to the US and cannot import it back because of US terrorist regulations. Make you cringe.
You would be amazed of the amount of modern utilities and supplies that you guys use daily in the US that are made in the nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway). How many of you own a Husqvarna chainsaw or lawn mower for example? I've had an American fellow at a dinner say it was one of the best American brands he knew. Guess what, this dinner was in my home town, 5 miles from our suburb Husqvarna were this stuff is made.

Back to topic... Why would you go about reimporting? Price and availability of course. Stuff that cost $200 in the US cost $5-600 in Sweden. Buying the same item second hand for $150 saves you $450 on one single item. Of course we "try" to buy, but I am really tired of the rude remarks and replies us "foreigners" get from some of the members on this site. Some of us try to keep an eye on current export/import regulations, but a lot of time the seller is the one who's ignorant and it does not feel very friendly to be accused of trying to coerce the seller into crime and especially not because of "terrorist" actions.

I'll stick to group buys only from now on. I'm tired of the attitude in Swappin & Sellin. I will stop to offer stuff for sale, but knowing myself I will probably not be able to pass up a good deal should I find a friendly seller who's read up on the "export list of the day".

Scopes of non military application have been released from regulation, just so you know, free to export/import just as you like.

[primersp]

not for the springs ,order to WOLF this month just for outside you must have less than 100 us and more than 22 , shipping is 19
i have take an set for an s&w 5906 and some others , came in 2 weeks ,nothing from the customs.

[Wal']

Most company's in America will sell outside of the USofA, its just the ill-informed ones that refuse to.

Its especially galling when sellers refuse sales expounding the terrorist security risk of selling internationally when our own troops are standing alongside your own & have been for many decades .

Enough said!

[froggy]

Interresting discussion!, I love the phrase ”used to wage war”! If you know your history, maybe it should be the other way around? Maybe the rest of the world should put restrictions on US import instead of export?
Just a mind opener…

Anyway, in my humble opinion, our community is served best by keeping the market as global as possible, still of course within the legal limits! I think that we have some good contributions from the European side as well, and I know for a fact that I don’t want to be without parts and supplies from some US companies.

I just think that we shouldn't limit trade more than necessary from a legal perspective!

[charger 1]

So much for free trade...

Oh its ok if we wanta send down a donation though. The gate valve is still open that direction. Actually even if you don't want to you may find it come off your C card

[wallacem]

Great to know, but remember, you CAN ship any of this stuff to a FFL dealer that DOES make the practice of exporting. They, in return ship it to whoever is buying it. That process is legal for us to do. There are several companies that specialize in that. Just make sure you do it legal.