30.30 brass looks violated

[FWest]

I was looking through some range brass. Found some 30.30 brass that looks like it was modified or loaded in the wrong gun. Any ideas ? One is missing it's primer the other 2 are pushed out.
Anyone seen this before ? I thought it was interesting and am curious as to what could have happened.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/frankwest/IMAG0118.jpg

[Reg]

Fired in a 30-40 Krag or something like that. Looks like someone was playing with fire. Don't think I would use those cases for anything. Too badly stressed.

:shock:

[Reload3006]

I agree shot through the wrong gun. No question in my mind about it. The primers sticking out are from excessive head space and the portion that should be crimping the boolit down was drawn out also look at the case bulge ... someone is going to end up seriously hurt if they keep shooting them out of what ever they were shooting them from.

[FWest]

I was not going to do anything with the brass just curious to what happened.
Thanks for the replys.

[Mooseman]

Fired in a .303 British Chamber maybe ???
By Comparison to what I have on Hand it almost fits to a .308 chamber by looking at the pics.
It would be interesting to figure out to me...

[303Guy]

You could start by measuring the head-space. Base of primer to shoulder. You can also measure the shoulder diameter and the neck diameter too. Also determine the body taper. Even the chamber length can be measured since those necks entered the throat. You even have the throat diameter. Then see what cartridge it matches. I somehow doubt they were fired in a 303 Brit. They would have head-spaced correctly and the chamber looks a little shorter. 35 Remington maybe?

Those cases were not subjected to a lot of pressure. It looks as though the case mouths 'head-spaced' on the leade. Those primers backing out that much are a worry. If they came out all the way there would be a lot of gas plus a projectile to contend with. Mmmm .... ignorance in the extreme! It just goes to show Darwin was wrong. It's survival of the luckiest!:veryconfu

If you don't want to keep those cases would you mind sending them to me? Those are definitely a conversation piece. I bet one could sell them on the internet ....:roll:

[fatnhappy]

They would have head-spaced correctly and the chamber looks a little shorter. 35 Remington maybe?



I think we may have a winner. I was thinking the same thing because of the step in the neck.

FWest please crush those case lest someone at the recyclers tries to reuse them.

[FWest]

I just compared one to a 35 rem. Looks like a winner.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/frankwest/IMAG0119.jpg

[nvbirdman]

At least sending a 30 cal. bullet down a 35 cal. bore would not produce too many pressure problems.

[fatnhappy]

It was definately fired in a rifle with microgroove rifling. My bet is somebody that owns both a .30-30 marlin and a .35 rem 336 grabbed the wrong one on the way to the range.

I just hope he realized his mistake and won't do it again.

[303Guy]

FWest please crush those case lest someone at the recyclers tries to reuse them.That would be defying Darwinian principles!:twisted:

Seriously, crushing them or trying to recycle them would be destroying a classic conversation piece. For what it's worth (not suggesting anyone try it) those cases are quite recycle-able. Straightening them would be no worse then manufacturing them in the first place or forming a wild cat (just making conversation about them!)[smilie=l:
Put them in a glass case for show.

What on earth posses someone to fire them in 35 Remington?!!!

[frkelly74]

Does that indicate that maybe you could chamber a 35 Rem in a 30/30 and fire it? That would be exiting!!

[Baron von Trollwhack]

I think we may have a winner. I was thinking the same thing because of the step in the neck.

FWest please crush those case lest someone at the recyclers tries to reuse them.

Give Darwinian evolution a chance. If certain men continue to receive a boost on the already level playing field, MANKIND IS DOOMED to decline!

These pictures should be adopted as warning avatars by the doo gooders though, serving sort of like the skeletons left hanging in the hand crafted cages at Medieval English road intersections as a kind of signpost for honesty.

[KYCaster]

The 30-30 rim won't fit a 308 bolt face so wouldn't chamber. The 30-30 neck is smaller than the .35 bore so wouldn't crimp the neck.

Looks like maybe fired in a 307 Win chamber except I would expect the shoulder to be blown out also.

Who knows?

A stupid mistake....even more stupid since he did it THREE TIMES!! :shock:

Kinda makes me wonder why he quit.....maybe the fourth one is still stuck in the chamber?????


Jerry

[rayzer]

A couple of months ago, at the range. I found a .30-30 case that seems to have been fired in a .38-55. How the heck can the two cartridges been mistaken?

[MT Gianni]

A couple of months ago, at the range. I found a .30-30 case that seems to have been fired in a .38-55. How the heck can the two cartridges been mistaken?

IIRC, a 30-30 blown out will be the 38-55. Re-sized or shot and then forgotten at the range. Some of my brass's headstamps do not reflect their current size.

[KYCaster]

OK....356 Win.

I don't think you could chamber the 30-30 in a gun with .475 bolt face.

Jerry

[bruce drake]

I brought a friend shooting one time and he tried to shove a 303 Brit shell into a 308 Winchester NEF Handi-rifle. He got that shell stuck but good! thankfully I had a clearing rod in my kitbag that day. And I also learned not to put any ammo on the bench other than what is being fired!

Not to pull the thread off the track but that does look like the cartridge was fired in a 308 Win chamber.

Bruce

[mpmarty]

Most of my 7mm rem mag cases bear a .264 Winchester headstamp. I used to own a .264 and when the thing shot out I had it reamed and rifled to 7mm and reformed the cases. Needless to say these will never leave my possession.

[Frank46]

Maybe a 303 savage??. Frank

[50-170-700 sharps]

what is odd to me is how the base has not split or even expanded that much from being unsupported at the base during firing... But i can tell for sure it was fired through the wrong chamber.

[303Guy]

The 30-30 rim won't fit a 308 bolt face so wouldn't chamber. The 30-30 neck is smaller than the .35 bore so wouldn't crimp the neck.Quite so. The rim would have been pushed in front of the bolt and the neck would have entered the throat. The rest is just partial fire-forming.

Hey you know, I did make a comment about Darwinian selection but seriously, I'm guilty of having brain seizures myself! At least I hope the fella was only having a brain seizure!

I've heard of folks shooting 308 Wins in a 270 and not realizing it! Often the 270 will blow if that happens. This one didn't. The cross-over happened in a gun factory once where my uncle was workshop manager. The receiver ring split open and let the barrel follow the boolit downrange. The barrel itself was undamaged.

[greywuuf]

SO is it the 270 will chamber in an -06 but the -06 is to long to go in a .270 chamber ( I know the bullet issue, but I thought they pushed the shoulder back on the .270 for just that reason)
and I know that 7mm mag will go bang in a 300 Win mag, but try as you might you can not get 300 win mag rounds shoved into your fathers 7mm mag ( while he sits on the other side of the mountain with your matching 300 )

also Firing standard .22 LR in your single six's .22 mag cylinder makes the cutest 25 acp look alikes you have ever seen.

Dan

[303Guy]

The 308 Win headspaces on the boolit up against the shoulder of the 270 chamber.

[Mooseman]

The 30-30 rim won't fit a 308 bolt face so wouldn't chamber. The 30-30 neck is smaller than the .35 bore so wouldn't crimp the neck.

Looks like maybe fired in a 307 Win chamber except I would expect the shoulder to be blown out also.

Who knows?

A stupid mistake....even more stupid since he did it THREE TIMES!! :shock:

Kinda makes me wonder why he quit.....maybe the fourth one is still stuck in the chamber?????


Jerry

It will IF the bolt has a Flat face...

[303Guy]

30-30 lever action, 35 Remington lever or pump action - that could be an easy mix up. Why would the poor fellow have noticed anything other than a failure to hit his target? It's actually quite scary that such a thing can happen but the fact is it can and does. I was quick to make fun of the guy but it could just as easily have happened to me!:shock:

[marvelshooter]

A couple of months ago, at the range. I found a .30-30 case that seems to have been fired in a .38-55. How the heck can the two cartridges been mistaken?

I shoot my 38-55 with fire formed 30-30 brass. After fire forming the only difference is one formed from a 30-30 is about 1/16" shorter.

[Bret4207]

I'm thinking a 300 Savage could do it too, but 35 Rem is a very good possibility.

[KYCaster]

It will IF the bolt has a Flat face...




I tried it in a Marlin 336 X 35 Rem....doesn't work. The .506 rim doesn't go into the .460 rimless chamber. Stops .063 short of going into battery (thickness of the 30-30 rim).


Same thing in a Mauser '98 X 308.

Jerry

[303Guy]

There are rifles with chambers that don't support a fair portion of the case web. One of those could be the culprit. The case could have 'headspaced' on the rim but how would the firing pin have reached the primer? And how would the extractor have reached the rim?

[6.5 mike]

303 sav case is larger just ahead of the rim.

[Mk42gunner]

My first thought was they were fired in a .300 Savage chamber, until I really looked at the neck. It does look to me like they were fired in some .35 caliber chamber.

The picture with the .35 Remington case looks pretty close; but when I compared a .30-30 case to a .35 Remington the length was farther off than the picure makes it appear.

KYcaster tried it in a Marlin, what is the boltface like in a Remington Model 14?

What about a .356 Winchester chamber? The rim would fit then, but that doesn't explain the excess headspace, as evidenced by the protruding primer.

Whatever happened, it is a warning to use the correct ammunition in your guns.

Robert

[jblee10]

It sure looks like it was fired in a 35 Rem. It's funny though. I don't have a 35 Rem Marlin, but how much of the 35 cartridge is unsupported in the chamber? It looks like the 30/30 rim could move well forward into the chamber. I'm surprised the firing pin could reach it. Maybe the guy had alot of miss fires along with poor accuracy, ha, ha.