Zumbo stepped in it

[dale clawson]

In the Outdoorlife forum Jim Zumbo has attacked owners of AR and AK rifles, calling them terrorist rifles. He is calling for fish and game depts. to ban them. What an idiot! Who appointed him god of what constitutes a sporting arm. The land slide of negative complaints may very well end his writing for firearm/hunting magazines, over 2500 negative responses so far. I for one will cancel my subscriptions to any magazines that employ him, I will not support in any form an enemy of the second ammendment, which such comments clearly define him as. The arms that the framers of the constitution said couldn't be denied were the assault weapons of the day. How dare he give aid and comfort to the enemy!
He has really gotten my dander up, to put it mildly.
Dale OOPS. I see that a thread was started on this subject in Humor and Off Topic.
I don't know how to remove the post, so go down there to post replys.

[Lloyd Smale]

he is and allway has been an *** ****!!!!!

[versifier]

Then ignore him. It doesn't take much of a breeze to blow a fart away. All he wants is attention and if everyone ignores the gas he's producing, he will fade into obscurity as he should.

[NVcurmudgeon]

That's just what makes us easy meat for big government. We are so divided. I have seen the gentlemen trap shooter faction of a R&G club roll over when one developer complant closed a rifle range. Remember Clinton trying to sell his assault weapons ban by saying that "duck rifles" were still protected? Ben Franklin said it best about hanging together or certainly being hanged separately.

[mike in co]

ignore him but not his employers or advertisers...
let them know his opinion is not acceptable as public policy.
he is entitled to his opinion, i'm entiled to ensure his employers know i will not support his opinon( products or places where he is published)

mike in co

[C A Plater]

I was listening to "Gun Talk" radio show and according to the host, Tom Gresham, he call Mr. Zumbo about the subject and he was busy crafting an apology or some such thing. Apparently he is aware of the big steaming pile he just stepped in.

[FISH4BUGS]

I don't know who he is. But as the owner of of a registered (thank you very much) SBR Colt M4LE and an '84 era M16, (and a number of other registered full autos, AOW's and SBR's) and I am always looking for THE deal on a registered AK47, I do not appreciate gun writers that spout off stupidity like that. If he HATES evil black guns and AK's, then I wonder how he feels about FULL AUTO?
Who does he write for? I want to know if I should be cancelling any subscriptions. At worst, a letter to the magazine is in order.

[singleshotbuff]

A prime example of why I do not subscribe to gun/outdoor rags. Most of the writers are idiots. I did receive a gift subscription to Guns & Ammo for christmas, so after reading his assinine comments, I sent an e-mail to G&A telling them what I thought of this old fool (he contibutes to G&A too). I also gave them a jab about only publishing "name" writers and gave them a few websites where they could get much better content for free LOL. I informed them that when my "gift" ran out not to expect a renewal check from me.

Seriously though, I learn more from this website in a week than I could in reading a year of G&A or any other rag.

I have bundles of G&A and other mags from the 70s, I like to read through them on occasion. Back then every issue had several reloading and CASTING articles that were really worthwhile. My latest G&A mag had 1 column on reloading, and that was only because the cartridge (338 federal) is brand new! All their articles now are by some knucklehead shooting the newest cartridge with factory premium ammo (provided free by advertisers of course). Not worth the cover price and too stiff to wipe your @$$ on if you ask me.

Jumping down off my anti-gun rag soapbox now.

SSB

[singleshotbuff]

FISH4BUGS,

He writes for G&A and Outdoor Life that I know of for sure and his mug is on the outdoor channel (or one of the hunting channels) all the time.

SSB

[jhalcott]

Yes It does seem that every article in the latest gun rags is just another commercial for what ever product the "writer" or owner/publisher wants pimped for. Then you get on a site like this one and learn the real story .

[RugerFan]

Good one Ken!

[KCSO]

You want to bet that Zumbo's remarks are not picked up by the politicos in 2008. I can hear it now... Even the respected ODL write says>>>

[sundog]

He didn't just step in it. He tracked it in.

[tom barthel]

Thank God, I'm impowered with the ability to make choices. I absolutely will not surrender my rights. I do NOT recognize the court's authority to limit my freedoms. I will NOT comply with any supreme court decision changing MY countries constitution. This zumbo person can talk to the wind. He stands a better chance of convincing it than me.

[Lee]

Looks as stupid as he sounds.
Love to hear the "damage control" but I ain't listenin' to the a'hole.
.........erased the rest of my comments, don't want to get banned.
Just the same, it's a shame I'll never spot him on my property:-D .........Lee:wink:

[PatMarlin]

This kind of crap really makes me angry.

I'm startin' to notice the dumb arse ignorant stuff some of these guys write in a few gun rags more and more. There was a real bell ringer in Handloader awhile back, and I forgot what it was at the moment.

I've read more good artlcles on guns in Field and Stream and some of the issues have more useful gun content then 3 gun rags put together.. :rolleyes:

[PatMarlin]

Looks like Remington is severing it's relationship:

Tommy Millner (Remington CEO) in which he clearly stated that Remington has ended its relationship with Zumbo.

Paraphrased from one reply:


We have ended our relationship with mr zumbo as his comments are out of line with our core beleifs.
A press release will go out tomorrow
xxxx xxxxxxx
CEO

[PatMarlin]

ALL - Jim Zumbo in NO WAY speaks for Remington! His opinions are his own. We at Remington take our 2nd Ammendment Rights extremely seriously and ourselves market and manufacturer a AR based 308 rifle. Remington Arms supports the lawful use of all firearms by thier owners in whatever legal manner they choose. We at Remington feel that it is the diversity of our tastes and uses of fireaems that should also be the binding element that assists us all in defending the rights granted to us by our fore fathers.

Rest assured that remington not only does not support jim's view, we totally disagree! I have no explaination for his perspective.

I proudly own AR's and support everyones right to do so!

What makes me sick is how quickly people on the internet have called to boycott Remington. All Jim said was he was hunting with our people! This is normal course in our industry. How else do people think we field test? with writers.

Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars to defend your rights and how quickly the thanks is threat and boycott! Please feel Free to post that remington does not agree with Zumbo in any way shape or form and we will assess our relationship with him accordingly.

Tommy Millner
CEO and President

[PatMarlin]

From Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html


Quote:




Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting

[Frank46]

Rifle and Handloader magazines used to have some very good articles regarding cast bullets. At least in the early years. They produced three very good annuals that covered a rather broad spectrum of cast alloy projectiles for rifles and handguns. You see little or no such articles today. They at one time did some very good gunsmithing articles of single shot rifles. Haven't seen one of those in years. I no longer take guns&ammo, shooting times, gun world, and a few others for their content has become almost mass market apporach. The NRA also publishe many articles over the years both on casting and gunsmithing. Again very little of that is seen or read today. Wether its because of finaancial constraints or having someone there who actually understands the mechanics of casting your own> Its a sad commentary as what our leading gun magazines have become both in content and advertising. After reading the comments regarding Mr Zumbo one can only wonder what he was thinking when he made his statements. I seriously think that the better gun magazines had better take stock of what exactly is going on in the world and internet and revise their publications accordingly. Gun digest used to have a goodly quantity of gun related articles before they got to the product tests. I think the '07 issue only had about 12 articles. And look who's getting all the awards, the writers themselves. Sort of like a mutually exclusive honor society. Well that finishes my rant for today.When I want to learn something or get a question asked I come here. I think that says it all. Frank

[Guido4198]

The fate of Mr. Zumbo's career isnt a big concern to me at this point. What he has done to us all is provide a powerful piece of "evidence" to the gun-grabbers. His writing is already being quoted by the Brady campaign. I took a look at thier web-site and sure enough...they are embracing their buddy Jim Zumbo for all they're worth. In addition...if you read some of their blogs....turns out they will also be going after the "optics that make 100 yd. sniper kills possible". As far as Mr. Zumbo's apology...I'll be interested in it when he has disarmed the Brady people-et.al. of this weapon he has handed them.

[highwallbo]

I am taking comfort in knowing there are so many like minded folks.
Never really liked much of Mr. Jumbo's work,always found him arrogant and condescending .

[44man]

I haven't been able to comment without getting banned! It makes me so angry I can't speak of it.
I will, however, write to Remington to tell them I fully support them and to thank them for their views. It would be nice if a lot of you do too.

[45r]

It amazes me that he doesn't realize that the gun grabbers will use his statement to lump all semi-auto rifles as something we shouldn't be able to own.You would think this person would know better.Our second ammendment rights are under constant attacks by the gun grabbers and we don't need this kind of talk from gun writers.I hope people learn to watch what they say about what we can have or not have.Our freedom to choose is at stake.

[1Shirt]

Yep, deep do do and at least knee high on Zumbo. Agree with those who have written about the quality of gun writers in the past and present. Have two gun writer friends who I feel do a good and representative job of presenting issues and new ideas. Examples of same are in the latest Ctgs. of the World, which is probably the best publication for reference that I know of regarding anything that goes down a rifle bbl. 1Shirt!:coffee:

[mtngunr]

There is NO ignoring what he said, as what he said will be making rounds for years from now compliments of those against firearms, and his retractions and apologies will be lost in the static.....he's done a TREMENDOUS amount of damage that cannot be undone.....and played like a patsy right into the hands of those who seek to divide and conquer 2nd Amendment proponents.....he might not be a bad man, but he certainly showed himself to be stupid with this boner..... it appears there was absolutely no contemplation of the ramifications of his comments, or the editors put selling magazines with controversial topics ahead of the basic premise of the magazine's existance......don't forget, his editors are the ones who let that one loose, and perhaps suggested it......

[wills]

"Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today."

http://www.remington.com/
On the home page

[RugerFan]

Go figure.

[longbow]

I'm glad to see so many people upset about this and expressing themselves.

Apathy was our undoing in Canada. Our government followed the example of the UK.

It started with handguns which in Canada have not been legal to carry or hunt with for at least 75 years. Handguns were not considered a tool suitable for hunting and can only be transported to and used at a federaly licensed gun range - except for military, police and others in the employment of government agencies. There are a few exceptions but very few.

Then we got the FAC laws back in the '70's requiring a federal license to own obtain firearms - yes we had to pay for it.

Then the long gun bans and restrictions came out. Some guns became illegal to own or sell. Crossbows have to be registered, blowguns are prohibited, nunchakus are prohibited and many others.

I have to have federal picture ID just to buy ammunition.

Hardly any stores carry any guns of any type now - Walmart and other department stores do not carry any guns.

Here's a good read about Canadian gun laws: http://panda.com/canadaguns/#howbad

Basically politicians figured they knew best and arbitrarily banned and restricted weapons they felt looked bad or evil or had no "sporting" use.

Not to mention that our gun registration system has now cost over $2,000,000,000.00 and has been largely ineffective - like where do the criminals line up to register their illegal weapons?

Keep on fighting Mr. Zumbo and his attitude or you will wind up like us.

Longbow

[PatMarlin]

I can't believe this AHOLE!!!

He says "He had know IDEA there were so many AR's used for hunting?"

Like that would of been an excuse for him to feel the way he does, and write what he did about them? Oh and now he says he's booking an "AR-15" hunting trip to "learn" all about them? Please- this guy is no different than scumsucking clintonite polititian attorneys- showning his true colors like every one of those aholes eventually do.

The AR-15 is the M1Garand of my generation. Should we have BANNED the Garand Zumbo just cause it doesn't look right to you whilst I hunt withn it???

And just when we in California have worked out a way to own AR's with configuring the lowers to comform to the law, and the DOJ has accepted it pretty much (well they have no choice) a guy like this comes along.

Freakin' ahole. I hope they hang that SOB out to dry like manure.. :roll:

[PatMarlin]

(post from an industry gunwriter)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRea has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me


On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:


Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields



He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.



David M. Fortier

[rmb721]

After this, any magazine that employs Mr. Zumbo or a company that sponsors him should be boycotted out of business. We can not afford to let things like this be ignored. Zumbo (Dumbo) must GO.

[PatMarlin]

Here are some emails to Mr.Zumbo's sponsors. AND may as well add Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre to the list. I for one am going to fire off a letter to every single one of them and let them know what my oppinion is:

webmaster@outdoorlife.com
webmaster@remington.com
tommy.millner@remington.com
dawn.lorello@swarovski.com
sales@gerberblades.com
benglish@mossyoak.com
pstrickland@mossyoak.com
domain.admin@CABELAS.COM
corporate@cabelas.com
info@stoneypoint.com
hans@himtnjerky.com
kimberly@himtnjerky.com
connie@himtnjerky.com
olletters@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
ashley.rosenfeld@time4.com
amanda.gastelum@time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
michael.haugen@remington.com
gregory.baradat@remington.com
eddie.stevenson@remington.com

comments@harris-pub.com
bill@wcmcrae.com

Field and Stream email contacts. Send to em all:

All divisions of Field and Stream including ad staff and media relations:

ashley.rosenfeld@time4.com
amanda.gastelum@time4.com
kristen.baumgarten@time4.com
amanda.mcnally@time4.com
elizabeth.burnham@time4.com
fsletters@time4.com

All you have to do to reply is write your letter, then select, copy, and paste all these emails as one into your sent address bar and they will all get sent at once.





...

[wills]

Do you have McRea’s e mail address, and who he writes for? Perhaps that information should be posted also.

[PatMarlin]

Here's my letter going out post haste. Feel free to use any part of it with yours:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat Marlin

[PatMarlin]

Yep we need to find out who Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre write for and add it to the list.

ANyone here know?

[drinks]

Looks as though Jim Dumbo has shot himself in the foot, while sticking it in his mouth, if I may mix metaphors.
:>

[PatMarlin]

I'm finding out more info and adding industry emails to the list above.

............:drinks:

[ron brooks]

Looks like Thomas McIntyre Writes for Field and Steam and has several books out.

Ron

[Ricochet]

You know, I don't own any AR or AK types. They don't really appeal to me. But I'll be damned if I'm going to have some self-appointed "gun expert" decide for me that I shouldn't be able to own them because they're "terrorist rifles."

[PatMarlin]

The AR-15 didn't appeal to me neither till I got to shoot one, and they are a heck of a lot of fun, and now I own one.

Good yote medicine too.. :drinks:
\
Found mcrae's email. Check back on my email list post cause I'm not going to stop until they are all posted there.. :roll:

[PatMarlin]

Yep I just confirmed Thomas McIntyre Writes for Field and Steam. Here's more contacts and I'm going to add them to the master list.

>> To send letters to the Editors of Field & Stream Online, e-mail webmaster@fieldandstream.com

>> To send letters to the Editors of Field & Stream Magazine, e-mail fsletters@time4.com

>> To report technical problems with Field & Stream Online, email webmaster@fieldandstream.com

>> To advertise on Field & Stream Online, email elizabeth.burnham@time4.com

>> To contact our Media Relations Department, email amanda.mcnally@time4.com

>> To advertise in Field & Stream Magazine, e-mail one of the following addresses below that is closest to you:

New York - ashley.rosenfeld@time4.com
California - amanda.gastelum@time4.com
Illinois - kristen.baumgarten@time4.com

[wills]

"Remington to Sever Sponsorship Ties with Jim Zumbo


Madison, North Carolina – As a result of comments made by Mr. Jim Zumbo in recent postings on his blog site, Remington Arms Company, Inc., has severed all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo effective immediately. While Mr. Zumbo is entitled to his opinions and has the constitutional right to freely express those opinions, these comments are solely his, and do not reflect the views of Remington.

“Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars defending our Second Amendment rights to privately own and possess firearms and we will continue to vigorously fight to protect these rights,” commented Tommy Millner, Remington’s CEO and President. “As hunters and shooters of all interest levels, we should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole in support of our Second Amendment rights.”

We regret having to terminate our long-standing relationship with Mr. Zumbo, who is a well-respected writer and life-long hunter."

[PatMarlin]

Hear hear!

[ELFEGO BACA]

Three cheers for Remington:)

Earlier this year I contacted Remington concerning some 22lr ammo I purchased in the early 90s.

I felt I had too many misfires and failures to feed - apparently oversized cases:(

They sent me a prepaid FedEX label, I sent the ammo back - about 2 1/2 bricks.

A short time later I got a check for $45. Thank you Remington:)

[TCLouis]

Check this out - Remington has dropped Zumbo like a rock!!

http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp


Time Warner owns Outdoor Life and Shooting Times - he probably made his bosses happy.
Since Time Warner is anti gun it is only approriate!

[ammohead]

From Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html



I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. February 16, 2007 in Hunting

In the military world aren't M16 carried almost exclusively by US troops? Is Mr Zumbo implying that our soldiers are terrorists?

ammohead

[357maximum]

I have been waiting to post on this for a bit, as to not get banned from this site. I still have come up with nothing intelligent to say about this (&%^(^&%*^^%$^%$*^&%^&%^&%(&^)*( *(&&*)^&*^)*&^&*)^) &*(^^%&*^%^&^)&*^)*( *&^^&*)&^&*)&^ %$#@$#%$%*& (**(&%$%V (*^&&^&*(* POS.

Pat is excellent at providing neccessary addy's to fight the fights and I would like to thank PATMARLIN for providing all the addy's and would think and hope everyone here will write and drop to them.....just as I hope we all have in the past on other issues, even if it was not in our backyard....


"There will come a day when defensive action on our part will not be enough, some day we will be forced to openly and aggressively take the offensive. Lets try to prolong that day"...ME

I made the above statement in the middle of a bunch of snob trapshooters not too awfully long ago....."I shoot an O/U they don't want them, it is not evil" was basically the response I got.....I was so $%@!(&^ MAD I was glad I had already shot my rounds, and I have not been back to that club since.....we need to stick together folks, they are trying to divide us and at times it is working, rather well....I have fallen into their trance once or twice myself, luckily it was only a temporary diversion.........we as free americans need to actually try to take the offensive on paper, and try to repeal some of the bs gun laws like the GCA<NFA, but I have no idea how to start the ball rollin....without sounding like I am advocating full and outright civil war.....not real good with words and emotions at the same time.....

[9.3X62AL]

Not currently owning any AR- or AK-series rifles myself, I suppose I don't have a dog in this fight--from the standpoint of threats to my property rights. But drivel like this is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE THREAT TO MY CIVIL RIGHTS--which are already severely compromised by California law.

I have no idea how Mr. Zumbo arrived at his conclusions or beliefs, or where the hell he has been during the time that AR-15 based platforms have become premier target and hunting arms. Such utterances serve notice of the true shallowness of his knowledge base, and his barking dog back-up buddies need to be put in their place as well.

Face it--we CANNOT afford the "traditional vs. inline" muzzle loader arguments--the fashion statement rifle debates (AKA "assault rifle questions"), or shotgun sports/rifle sports/handgun sports controversies at range/club sites to divide us. Our opponents don't just want our firearms--they want us jailed in gulags. We are socially and politically suspect in their eyes, and anyone who doesn't think a culture war is under way in this country IS ASLEEP. And NO, I'm not some black helicopter conspiracy enthusiast.

I suspect that Zumbo & Comrades are trying to curry favor ahead of time with a mind toward some admin or consultancy tasking within either government or some anti-freedom private sector enterprise.

[Old Ironsights]

I suspect that Zumbo & Comrades are trying to curry favor ahead of time with a mind toward some admin or consultancy tasking within either government or some anti-freedom private sector enterprise.

You mean from this bit of tripe?

http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/110/h/h1022.pdf

Quoth Jimbo: "They're comin to take you away HaHa! They're comin to take YOU away HeHe, HoHo.. but not me, 'cause I'm Politically Correct!"

(for now) [smilie=b:

[9.3X62AL]

Exactly such bits of tripe, sir. And what takes place after passage of same.

[Maven]

After reading this thread as well as its continuation (or vice versa) in "Humor and Off Topic....," it occurs to me that Mr. Zumbo hasn't been paying much attention to news reports of terrorists either. After 9/11/01, how can he maintain they use assault or "terrorist" rifles (and certainly not AR-15's)? Aircraft and lately, explosives including peroxide- and under-the-kitchen-sink combinations, and explosive devices (RPG's, IED's and the new shaped charge things) are what they use, not "terrorist rifles." Maybe now that Remington & Outdoor Life have dropped him like a hot potato, he'll have more time to educate himself about such things. Indeed, I suspect his [re-]education has already begun!

[PatMarlin]

OK-

My work this afternoon is done. I have probably reached 100,000 shooters with my summary email included below, that has gone to over 10 major internet industry forums.

I get so fired up about these kinds of issues I scare myself sometimes.. :mrgreen:

Thanks for your comments and support.

Now I have a special county planning commission meeting to go to regarding our local building codes at 3:00.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



more on- GunRag Writers Attack Gun Owners

I know most everyone knows about this, but for those shooters that are just coming on board...

Gun writers Jim Zumbo (Outdoor Life, G&A, and more) Bill McRea (outdoor author), and Thomas McIntyre (Field & Stream and more) have yet again added to the attack on our second amendment rights, by stating their opinions on AR and AK rifles.

In a nutshell if you haven't read or responded to what Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre have stated, and whether or not the AR semi auto's appeal to you as a shooter- I have listed below their statements and instructions for easy email response to the email list of some of their current industry sponsors. If you wish to respond (and WE NEED you to!!), please help fight back:


****Jim Zumbo at Outdoor Life:
http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

Quote:

Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods.

February 16, 2007 in Hunting



****(post from an industry gun writer David M. Fortier 2-18-07)

As most of you would guess, there is a lot of activity inside the industry right now, despite it being a Sunday.

Another writer Bill McRea has stepped up supporting Zumbo and agreeing with his feelings on banning assault weapons.

Here is a email forwarded to me


On Sunday, February 18, 2007, at 01:17 PM, Bill McRae wrote:


Shirley and Friends
I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this and I don't give a damn who does or does not like it. Furthermore, I applaud Jim for having
had the courage to say what he said.
Bill McRae

----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley Steffen
To: Karin Levine ; Lamar Underwood ; Bill McRae ; Bob Pilgrim - Taubert ; Ian McMurchy ; John Fasano ; John Phillips ; John Plaster ; Ted Nugent ; Wiley Clapp ; Walt Rauch ; Wayne Van Zwoll ; Lamar Underwood
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: Zumbo on 'terrorist rifles' in the hunting fields



He's not alone either, I had Thomas McIntyre get in my face once on a hunt with Swarovski. He was as rabid as an anti-gun piece of sh*t, and felt they should be banned. Bryce Townsley was there and Bryce and I both gave him hell

So Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre are both pieces of sh*t you should be aware of.



David M. Fortier
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Here's a copy of my letter. Feel free to use what you wish:

Dear shooting sports industry companies and corporations,

I would like to notify those of you who support and/or sponsor Jim Zumbo, as well as Bill McRea and Thomas McIntyre- that I will be boycotting your products, and actively promoting your business dealings with these individuals via the internet to every single gun owner, forum, and club I can find to seek out to spread the word.

The AR-15 is the M1 Garand of my generation and also a fine hunting and bench rest shooting rifle and I will not sit by and let these so called second amendment supporting phonies do further damage to our right to keep and bear arms in this great country of ours, by spewing their statements and beliefs amongst your product advertising.

With all sincerity,

Pat

[GSM]

"...but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity..."

Here's the first clue about this "journalist".

When someone "on the inside" calls a firearm a weapon, it shows either their ignorance or some type of elitism. A rifle is no more a weapon than a pencil or a keyboard - the use of an object dictates its label, not its appearance.

[Old Ironsights]

Giggle...

http://www.hunt101.com/img/475181.jpg

[PatMarlin]

....lol.

[PatMarlin]

Well, Well.. the idiot has a website:

http://www.jimzumbo.com/

[dromia]

I don't know much about all this Zumbo stuff being in the UK.

But this I do know, united shooters stand and will prevail, divided shooters will fall.

I know this because thats what happened in the UK, when semi autos were banned a lot of shooters, hunters, clay pigeon shooters, target shooters, pistol shooters said it was OK as it didn't directly effect them.

Then the pistols went and we were again divided and cowed.

Hand gun crime is at an all time high in the UK and this what the handgun ban was supposed to stop.

Things are better now but its closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

If Zumbo and his ilk let the antis take any firearm from use then the precedent is set and one day they will come for his precious sporters.

Point him at the UK, let him look and learn from the experience, and let him fear factionalism as that is what will get us all in the end.

He has the freedom to speak his mind, but with that freedom also comes the responsibility think beforehand.

[PatMarlin]

Someone had expressed on another forum he should have his pants stripped, bent over and tied to a stump with deer lure smeared on his butt... but you didn't hear that from me.. :mrgreen:

[357maximum]

tee hee

[RugerFan]

I think its also very appropriate to send Remington a big ATTA BOY for dumping Zumbo publicly and quickly.

[wiljen]

Seems the publisher of his books provided a fax # for ordering Zumbo's books on his website. I wonder how many faxes it will take to get it disconnected especially considering the contact name at the publisher is a Madonna Zumbo.

Fax: (307) 527-4951

Not that I'm advocating that, just musing.

Wiljen

[Old Ironsights]

My letter to the above email addys:

Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s time to stand up or shut down.

Every writer, author or spokesman has the Right to have an opinion on the usefulness of a product, and he even has the Right to opine that it should be Banned.

But as Sponsors and Providers of Outdoor Goods and Services, you should know that when those opinions can and are being used by the opponents of everything you do and sell – i.e. the Anti Gun and Anti Hunting/Fishing activists, then AS AN INDUSTRY you must STAND UP and loudly and publicly DISAVOW those opinions.

Mr. Zumbo has publicly stabbed the Sportsman and Sporting Industry in the back and left the knife there for the Anti’s to twist.

If Mr. Zumbo doesn’t like using a particular type of equipment, he doesn’t have to use it. But he doesn’t have to call for a Ban. What product that you sell will he call to be banned next? This is not about suppression of opinion but about the expansion of Government and the Decline of your industry.

Note that The Brady Campaign is already using Mr. Zumbo’s statements in an article reinforcing their desire to Ban these firearms – right along side of an article that declares all centerfire hunting rifles, even the venerable .30-30, to be “sniper weapons”.

Kind of hard to sell Hunting equipment when hunting equipment is banned.

America is at a crossroads. The Anti-Gun faction of US Politics believes that they have the power to enact their restrictions. It is beginning again with the introduction of another, expanded, “assault weapons” ban http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/110/h/h1022.pdf and will end only when the 2nd Amendment and Hunting/Fishing are eliminated.

The Outdoor Sporting Goods Industry can no longer equivocate. You MUST stand up with and for ALL Sportsmen, whatever their equipment choice, if for no other reason than your own bottom line. You MUST emphasize the “Good” in Sporting Goods – whatever that equipment may be – and brook no abridgement of your Right to sell a useful product.

If we lose, you lose. It’s that simple. To overuse a quote: “We must all hang together, or we shall all surely hang separately.”

I look forward to seeing the Sporting Goods Industry standing as a Leviathan to protect the Gates of Personal and Economic Liberty.

Thank you.

[wills]

Seems the publisher of his books provided a fax # for ordering Zumbo's books on his website. I wonder how many faxes it will take to get it disconnected especially considering the contact name at the publisher is a Madonna Zumbo.

Fax: (307) 527-4951

Not that I'm advocating that, just musing.

Wiljen

More information
http://allwyoming.uwyo.edu/wyoBusinesses/info.asp?id=4031&county=Park

[RugerFan]

I just got the following response from Gerber:

"Following Jim Zumbo’s recent comments, those of us at Gerber would like to clarify that we respect the opinion of our sponsored hunters and users however, we do not necessarily agree with all their opinions, nor do we endorse their public statements. Our presence and development in the tactical and hunting markets is proof-positive we are committed to supporting these industries and all those involved.

Since Jim’s blog was published he has issued this apology: http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html.

Thanks for supporting our rights and for supporting Gerber Legendary Blades.

Jason Kintzler
Senior Communications Manager"

Obviously Gerber doesn't quite get it. I had said in my e-mail to them that I had read the "apology" and thought it was nothing more than damage control. If this is the best response they can come up with, I will no longer buy Gerber products.

[RugerFan]

Do we know when the new Assault Weapons Ban (HR 1022) will be voted on?

[omgb]

I sent this to all of the outdoor vendors who have or are carrying Jim Zumbo's column. This is not about hunting. It's about a civil right as near and dear as the 1st amendment or any of the other 10. Any one who compromises on this issue threatens the future of all of our freedoms. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Barry Goldwater



Ladies and Gentlemen,
I read Mr. Zumbo's blog yesterday and was distressed to say the least. His
use of the phrase "terrorist weapon" to demonize military style firearms and
his assertion that such firearms have no sporting or legitimate purpose was
over the top and reflects an ignorance and negative bias that can only harm
our fight to protect 2nd amendment rights. Even as I pen this, the
anti-gunners have taken his comments and disseminated then around the globe.
A quick check of My-Space and other sites shows the degree to which these
comments have been used to argue against the right to keep and bear arms. I
for one, will not be reading any more of Mr. Zumbo's articles nor will I be
subscribing to any periodical that carries him or any writer who chooses to
align themselves with that viewpoint.

We are in a fight for our rights very similar to the fight experienced by
women and slaves in the mid-19th century. At that time, the abolitionist
movement and the women's suffrage movement were divided from within by those
who were willing to compromise one to gain the others. As a result, women
did not vote in federal elections until 1920, a full 75 years after suffrage
was granted to Black Americans by the 15th amendment. We cannot allow such
division or compromise to attach itself to the fight for the right to keep
and bear arms. If we do, we will loose as surely as women did 160 years ago.

Remington, to its credit, has distanced itself from Mr. Zumbo and his
comments. I urge you to do the same. Of course, you are free to disagree
with my assessment and I am equally free to avoid patronizing your services.
I would hope that does not become necessary. I am reminded of an old Bible
verse; "Choose this day whom you will serve. As for me and my house, we will
serve the Lord" At that moment, good people were called upon to take sides
in a fight for the very existence of Israel. We as Americans are at that
same crossroads in our fight to preserve our freedoms. So I put the question
to each of you? Whom will you serve? Those who would deny us our rights and
slowly but surely enslave us or will you stand up and defend our
constitution? As for me and my house, we will break fellowship with all who
espouse the views of Mr. Zumbo.

Sincerely
R J Talley
Teacher/James Madison Fellow

[Ricochet]

The Remington CEO had a good point in his message about NOT supporting what Dumbo said, though. Something like "We've done so much over the years to support shooters rights, and how quickly they're now calling for a boycott of our products."

It seems to me that it's good to write reasonably to sponsors and recommend that they not associate themselves with such drivel, but attacking them straight off with angry boycott threats for something they didn't directly control doesn't make any friends for us.

[Buckshot]

.............I'm astounded someone like Zumbo would say such a thing. It's hardly believeable. I could see some Joe average weekend trap or skeet shooter saying something like that because "They'll NEVER get rid of shotguns". But for someone so grounded in the use and history of firearms, and so visible a person is otherworldly.

Maybe he fell on his head while he'd been up on a ladder cleaning his rain gutters? Or (speaking of otherworldly) like Men In Black, there's really someone else like Hillary Clinton or old lady Brady in there :-). SOunds just like'm doesn't it?

................Buckshot

[drinks]

As an aside, I posted something about Dumbo/Zumbo on The Hunter's Life forum and it was deleted within minutes, I suspect a very large dose of PC in the Admin.

[PatMarlin]

Cabelas repsonse...

"Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,

Thanks for your comments. While Cabela’s believes everyone has the right to express their own opinions, we strongly disagree with Jim Zumbo’s February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life’s Web site.

Throughout our 46-year history, Cabela’s has firmly supported all aspects of shooting sports. We strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and the right of every U.S. citizen to purchase, own and enjoy any legal firearm of their choosing.

While we fully support Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right of free speech, we believe his opinions on this matter are counter to those shared by Cabela’s and many of our customers. Cabela’s Legal Department is currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show.

Have a great day.
Sincerely,
Brent"

[w30wcf]

Sure enough, the anti's are trying to use it to their advantage.......
"Even Remington's top gun writer agrees on Assault Weapons"

Fortunately, there are a bunch more pro second amendment responses.......
http://www.myspace.com/bradycampaign

w30wcf

[Pilgrim]

Dear Sir/Madam February 19, 2007

SUBJECT: JIM ZUMBO PUBLIC COMMENT(S)

I am not ordinarily one of those individuals who attacks others (individuals or companies) based upon their feelings or beliefs…they have every right to believe and/or say whatever they choose, as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others. However, in this instance, an individual in your employ, with substantial public visibility has knowingly or unknowingly attacked my second amendment rights. In either case, his publicly stated position re: “assault rifles” is untenable and unforgivable. If you do not already understand, please understand…THIS IS VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE A POLAR EVENT IN THE LIVES OF EVERY SINGLE FIREARM OWNER IN THIS NATION.

Given his public persona, Mr. Zumbo has the obligation to consider the effect of his pronouncements, written or verbal, upon every other individual whose freedoms may be impacted by his actions. In an article authored by him, Mr. Zumbo has advocated the banishment of “assault rifles”. These rifles are typically identified with the terms AK-, FN-, AR-, M-16, M-1, M-14, Stoner, and many other names. Each of them is physically different in one point or another, but all of them are semi-automatic in operation. That is, pull the trigger and the firearm discharges, as long as it contains ammunition. The fact that these are legally owned, legally used, and legally enjoyed by literally millions of target shooters, hunters and “plinkers” apparently has escaped the attention of Mr. Zumbo. His lack of knowledge is inexcusable as he has enjoyed the employ of the firearms industry for many years now, decades in fact. In amazement, one must ask just what cave Mr. Zumbo has been living in since 1968? The firearm owners and manufacturers have been under constant attack in this country by the anti-gun crowd beginning before that time. Many times it has been noted that legally owned firearms must be defended at every opportunity in order that each and every firearm owner will continue to maintain that right. Mr. Zumbo has attacked that right as a prominent member of that industry with no reasoning or justification what-so-ever.

His ignorance of semi-automatic firearms is unbelievable. Is a Remington Model 4, 7400, 740, 742, etc. different in any appreciable way from the AK-47’s, etc. that Mr. Zumbo finds objectionable? No, they aren’t different except for appearance and the details of the operating mechanism. All of them are semi-automatic by design and function. There is no legal or moral difference in these two examples, regardless of his feelings.

In light of his position in the industry, his stated position re: assault rifles is most likely going to have an unimaginable adverse impact upon all of us. Your comments to or about his statements will also be used against us showing how “…we are mutually paranoid and unreasonable…” etc, etc. It isn’t immediately obvious to me how we will even begin to undo the damage he has done. Consequently, I am going to take what is for me an unprecedented action. In 5 business days (February 26, 2007) I am going to advocate that all individuals who own firearms, and all of those who believe in the second amendment, whether or not they own firearms, immediately cease conducting business with any and all organizations that maintains any form of professional relationship with Mr. Zumbo, or attempts in any way to defend his comments as acceptable. The 5 day grace period will provide enough time for you to carefully craft your response(s) to his statement, and to legally disentangle yourself from the man This delay will avoid undue hardship upon businesses in the firearms industry that sever their relationships with him. All businesses that have not disassociated themselves from Mr. Zumbo do not deserve support from those in the sport, and their absence from the marketplace will not be missed.

I hope this letter is way behind the curve re: your actions relative to Mr. Zumbo. If not, I hope that you will consider your position with regard to Mr. Zumbo very carefully. I buy a lot of “toys” and hope that you will be one of those with whom I will be conducting business in the future.

Sincerely,

Duane Bogen
144001 W. North River Rd.
Prosser, WA 99350

[PatMarlin]

His head keeps on rollin'.

Another sponser with the axe:

http://www.himtnjerky.com/

(scoll down to the bottom of the page).

[jdhenry]

Is it Mr. Zumbo or MR.DUMBO??????????????he he he

[rvpilot76]

How much do you want to bet his favorite country group is the Dixie Chicks? :-D

I am seriously p****d about this. This is just what we don't need to be giving; more ammo to the anti's. It is apparent that Mr. Zumbo's brain has turned to water and has ran out of his ears. All who are taking the boycott route are taking a step in the right direction. Good to all those who will be severing all ties to Mr. Zumbo; they will continue to get my business and support. Believe it or not, gentlemen, the lines are being drawn! This is just yet another example. However, I didn't think it would be from one of our own. Remember those who would have you disarmed in any way. Never forget. One day, and probably not too far into the distant future, we as Americans can expect the repeal of our Second Amendment rights if actions like this go unchecked. When that day comes, I will no longer see my country as the one Declared in 1776. If they want to take my Second Amendment rights away, I see it no different that I should respect any of "their" rights. Men, we are going to have to take a stand on this eventually. What will it take for us to say "no more"? I can not answer that for every man. However, you need to decide for yourself when you will no longer allow your elected officials to rape you of you God-given right to freedom and self-preservation. If that last statement seems a little off subject, consider this: the left-wing officials are going to be using this to further their cause-I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THIS! As stated previously, HCI and the Brady-Bunch have already posted this on their site. How do you think this got there so quickly? Perhaps it's because they are watching and waiting for just this sort of thing to happen. They will jump on this like white-on-rice on a paper plate in the middle of a snow storm! Watch your left-wing media news channels; I am sure they will not miss their opportunity to bring light to this matter that will show dissention among the ranks. This has been one of my longest posts since joining this site; I enjoy all of you gentlemen and your infinite amount of experience and knowledge. I am honored to be able to converse with shooters of the highest caliber, and I look forward to many more evenings of reading and posting with you all.

It doesn't get any more sincere,

Kevin

[PatMarlin]

This is a statement from the Brady Campain Blog that was posted along with the statement from Zumbo. They are already using his crap against us, and now are using his beloved hunting cartridge the 30-30 against him:


The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.

[RANGER RICK]

Zumbo spoke from his heart on how he believed those who have such TERRORISTS firearms SHOULD BE BANNED .

His half a@@ed attempt to give a forced apolpgy not because he wanted to and not from the heart but was getting pressure to give a retraction from his sponsers shows what type a person he is . He can not change his spots .

Yes I have stuck my foot in my mouth countless times but I have always taken responsability for what ever I said or did and I stuck to my guns when the pressure was on .

Jim will not have a chance to keep his sponsers .
I have personelly emailed 15 of his sponsers to put pressure on .

Another sponser Hi Mountain Seasonings cut thier ties to the good ole boy and yes this was one of the sponsers I emailed .

Their reply is at the bottom of their page in big bold red letters .
Yeah Jim is a good ole boy isn't he ????

RR


http://www.himtnjerky.com/

[floodgate]

Did anyone keep a copy of the D(Z)umbo article? I want to keep it and pass it around, but "Outdoor Life" has deleted it from their site ('way too late; the damage is done!).

He really stepped on his weenie there, and is being thoroughly zapped by his former sponsors - but we-all are the ones to suffer the consequences!

Doug Elliott

[PatMarlin]

Go back to post 57 Doug. It's there... :drinks:

[RugerFan]

I read on another forum that Tom Gresham was defending Zumbo on Gun Talk radio. He said something about Zumbos detractors were "Eating their own". I haven't verified that yet, but if true, Gresham needs to take some heat as well.

Anyone else hear that on Gun Talk?

[Tom Myers]

I beleive that this quote from the Brady Blog is at the heart of the whole gun control issue

"Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree."

Once we are all disarmed, then they can go about stripping us of all our rights without a "threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents"

Tom Myers

[PatMarlin]

That's so true.

Disarm and the whole concept of freedom is gone. Might as well leave the front door unlocked and invite everyone in.

[rmb721]

Without the second amendment, there is no way to defend the other amendments.

If the politicans fear that much for their safety, GET ANOTHER JOB. But, there not too many places looking for someone to spread a lot of outright lies and bulls--t and not get anything done.

[wills]

I read on another forum that Tom Gresham was defending Zumbo on Gun Talk radio. He said something about Zumbos detractors were "Eating their own". I haven't verified that yet, but if true, Gresham needs to take some heat as well.

Anyone else hear that on Gun Talk?

Mr Gresham has a website which provides such valuable information as: "You can safely shoot .38 special ammunition in a revolver chambered for the .357 magnum cargridge."

WOW!!! I sure am glad I learned that!

http://www.guntalk.com/site4.php

[db2]

"I beleive that this quote from the Brady Blog is at the heart of the whole gun control issue

"Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree."

Once we are all disarmed, then they can go about stripping us of all our rights without a "threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents""

From Tom Myers.



I was taught that WAS the reason there is a second amendment. They just do not get it.

db2

[sundog]

Hey, maybe, just maybe, we're gonna get a whole new set of writers. Don't know if that's good or bad, but I'm certainly getting very tired of reading the same stuff over and over..., and over. The ones that don't get flushed by the time this current unpleasantness is over should check to be sure their collective heads a screwed on properly. Nothing like flat out turning your back on the fellers what been paying yer way.

I read through the brady site and picked up on the same thing some y'all did about the 'us' and 'them' and being scared of the guns. Does the word tyranny come to mind? Make the guns go away, and once that's done, the newly established Ruling Class can have their way with diminishing (absolving) the rights of the newly established Working Class. Only the the Warrior Class will have 'weapons' -- to protect the Ruling Class (from the Working Class). Hmmmm, begin to sound a little familiar? Mother England? It's not really about the Second Amendment, or other amendments, as much as it is about an elitist, socialistic (coummunist) agenda to establish themselves as untouchable and tell everyone else how to live and not be subject to same rules. Citizens to subjects.

Well, Zumbo, you really opened a can of worms!

[Old Ironsights]

Oh, they get it all right. That's precicely why they fear firearms... IN OUR HANDS.

They want Government by Brute Force - with them at the top. They don't give a rat's patootie about "the children".

[Old Ironsights]

The Remington CEO had a good point in his message about NOT supporting what Dumbo said, though. Something like "We've done so much over the years to support shooters rights, and how quickly they're now calling for a boycott of our products."

It seems to me that it's good to write reasonably to sponsors and recommend that they not associate themselves with such drivel, but attacking them straight off with angry boycott threats for something they didn't directly control doesn't make any friends for us.

That's exactly why I wrote my message the way I did.

[SharpsShooter]

Several here have written eloquently of the 2nd amendment and its purpose to protect and defend the remaining amendments. I can't add much there, but it is truely rewarding to see the outraged response of our members and gun owners everywhere. The unity shown here is a strong message to the anti gun crowd that we will stand together and we will not be easily disuaded from the rights that our forefathers fought and died for over 200 years ago.

On a recent trip to Moodyholler's home range, we were sharing the firing line with AR's. It was an interesting mix of the modern with the antique. Point I make is we ALL support the same 2nd amendment and we need to continue to make that voice heard. We are being heard too. Several sponsors have already severed relations with Zumbo. That is a trend that should continue and will as long as good folks are not afraid to stand, speak out and be heard.


SS

[PatMarlin]

I think that's really neat the mix of modern and antique. What a contrast of craftmanship and enginuety and both shooters should be in awe of each other.

To call our armed forces rifle a terrorist rifle. I still am stunned.

[Old Ironsights]

Sadly, I'm required to ARGUE with people here in Indiana (on an Indiana "Sportsman's" Forum) who "don't think nuthin of it".

They tend to be Bowhunters &/or the same ones who don't believe that we should be "allowed" to use even pistol caliber rifles/carbines, believing that slug guns, muzzies and handguns (including Encores in all calibers) are "plenty".

Just makes me sick.

[RugerFan]

I see Zumbo's web site (www.jimzumbo.com) has changed. His sponsers (or should I say "ex-sponsers) are no longer prominently displayed on the home page like they were monday morning. Instead there is a small print link that says "2005 sponser links". Now all he can claim is that they "used to be" his sponsers.

[rmb721]

I think there should a post to inform everyone which companies and magazines drop these writers so we can support them.

Then we should have a post of companies that continue to sponser them, so we can boycott those companies and magazines.

[PatMarlin]

That's an excellent Idea.

[whisler]

I think there should a post to inform everyone which companies and magazines drop these writers so we can support them.

Then we should have a post of companies that continue to sponser them, so we can boycott those companies and magazines.

This is an absolutely excellent idea. This makes it possible to keep the heat on those who do not respond to our righteous outrage, while allowing us to say "THANK YOU" to those who do properly respond.
I can't believe that it would do our cause much good for the "good guys" to continue to get irate e-mails when they have already done the right thing and severed their relationships with those who would co-operate in the theft of our God-given rights. But I am sure that they would certainly appreciate a "well done and you will continue to be on my list of preferred providers".

[leftiye]

[QUOTE=Tom Myers;151498]I beleive that this quote from the Brady Blog is at the heart of the whole gun control issue

"Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree."

Once we are all disarmed, then they can go about stripping us of all our rights without a "threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents"

Tom, I worked for 20 years in the State Prison here, and I can GUARANTEE you that removing the guns won't save anyone from the resprisal of disgruntled anybodies. The airhead ( good name for people with NO common sense) liberal community are going to be really disappointed when they succeed if making their perfect world only to be killed with a broken broomstick, knife, bottle, baseball bat, hammer etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum (no threat meant nor implied, just illustrating that they won't be safe at all, actually less safe than they are now). Of course these guys only want US disarmed, all of their bodyguards carry SMGs anyway, just look at Ted Kennedy. No doubt about it, gun control is to be inflicted on the masses, not the power merchants.

[Zed]

OK Pat, Here's what I'm aware of -

Companys that have severed relations:

Remington:
http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp

Mossy Oak:
http://www.mossyoak.com/content.asp?id=1460&catID=153&section=hc

High Mountain Seasonings:
http://www.himtnjerky.com/

Cabelas:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/community/aboutus/about-us-home.jsp?cm_re=store*topnav*au

Gerber:
http://www.gerbergear.com/


Those that have not:

Stoneypoint (Div. of Bushnell)
http://www.stoneypoint.com/


Also:
Writes for Outdoor Life
Writes a column for the NRA's Shooting Illustrated

There may be others...

Steve ..

[PatMarlin]

WHere'd your links go Zed?

We need those BACK!!!!

[KCSO]

On another forum I frequent the moderators are of the opinion that Zumbo did no wrong. The head of the forum, which doesn't allow political comment, said," We have to be reasonable... If we compromise and let them have the assault guns that are good for nothing they will leave us alone." I have to laugh or I will cry.

"I met Hitler and he seems a reasonalble man and willing to compromise" Neville Chamberlin 1939

[PatMarlin]

Where in the world does this a-hole's forum reside?.. :roll:

[Ricochet]

Looks to me like a post I put in this thread this morning, and the post I was replying to, have both disappeared.

I didn't think they were bad, or out of character with the main thrust of what's been said by others.
:???:

[The Double D]

I must of missed it...

What did NRA and RKBA say about Zumbo's remarks?

[wills]

This page http://www.jimzumbo.com/links.html

still links to Remington, and the Remington page no long has the Zumbo disclaimer.

[Ricochet]

I just checked the moderator logs Ricochet,,,nothing has been removed sir. this very well could be a server burp.
Thanks! That must be what happened.

[RugerFan]

This page http://www.jimzumbo.com/links.html

still links to Remington, and the Remington page no long has the Zumbo disclaimer.

Big difference though. There used to be a large Remington banner link on Zumbo's home page (and didn't the home page heading used to say something like "Jim Zumbo's Outdoors by Remington"?). I doubt if Remington has back-tracked any on this. (Zumbo's site seems to be changing frequently over the last couple of days)

[Ricochet]

Hey 45nut, I've really got Partzheimer's bad!

The post I thought I'd put on here and couldn't find is on another forum! :roll:

[Zed]

This page http://www.jimzumbo.com/links.html

still links to Remington, and the Remington page no long has the Zumbo disclaimer.

The Remington notice is on their press page:
http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp


Steve ..

[RANGER RICK]

I just received this email and yes it was one of the ones I emailed yesterday .

RR

2/19/07


Dear fellow 2nd Amendment Supporters,

I am writing to thank all of you for your activism in making us aware of the comments made on Mr. Zumbo’s blog. Hi Mountain Jerky and Seasoning has been a sponsor of his hunting show on the Outdoor Channel, but is in the process of terminating our relationship. We do not support his statements regarding his view of the Second Amendment and would not have supported the show or had his endorsement on our packaging in the past had we known this. We fully stand behind the individual right to keep and bear arms as our Founding Fathers intended. It is truly heartwarming to see the grass roots activism in support of our Second Amendment, please know Hi Mountain Jerky and Seasoning stands behind you.

Thank you,

Hans Hummel
President
Hi Mountain Jerky, Inc.

[RugerFan]

....the Remington page no long has the Zumbo disclaimer.

Its still there (on the press release page):http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp

[PatMarlin]

Cabelas has givin' him the boot. I read it, but can't think of where right now.

[PatMarlin]

THis was it. They're working on it I guess:

While Cabela’s believes everyone has the right to express their own opinions, we strongly disagree with Jim Zumbo’s February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life’s Web site.

Throughout our 46-year history, Cabela’s has firmly supported all aspects of shooting sports. We strongly support the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and the right of every U.S. citizen to purchase, own and enjoy any legal firearm of their choosing.

While we fully support Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right of free speech, we believe his opinions on this matter are counter to those shared by Cabela’s and many of our customers. Cabela’s Legal Department is currently reviewing contractual obligations and commitments regarding our sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show.

Can't expect everyone to make an immediate move, but I'm sure Cabelas will do the right thing.

[pumpguy]

Thank you for your email. On Monday, February 19, Cabela's suspended sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show until Cabela's Legal Department could review contractual obligations and commitments relating to our business relationship. As of Tuesday, February 20, Cabela's has ceased our business relationship with Mr. Zumbo.

Cabela's strongly disagrees with Mr. Zumbo's February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life's Web site. His opinions on this matter run counter to the beliefs shared by Cabela's more than 12,000 employees, many of whom are hunters, recreational shooters and firearm enthusiasts.

If you have any additional questions, please let us know.
Have a great day!

Heidi

Hey all,
I contacted Cabelas and received the above response right away. I would say that we could put them in the pro 2nd amendment category.

[RugerFan]

and now this...

http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286805.html

Zumbo is joining the Nuge for a live chat / Q&A on that forum and its apparently open to anyone. Its tomorrow the 22nd, but no time given yet. Go nukem if you get the chance. The forum regulars over there are acting way too soft about this.

[PatMarlin]

He mize well go outside and eat worms now. Poor stupid bastreed.

I'll never get over this dumbarse calling our LE and armed military services rifle a terrorist rifle, specially in time of war.

I think he really needs to burn for that. His statment has single handedly done more damage- instigated a divide amoungst some hunters and shooters, insulted our military and LEO's, gave cannon fodder to the terrorists and the anti-gunners, Fish and Game, and inviro-wackos and more.

The freakin' extreme nazis couldn't have paid for a better statement than that let alone a gift delivered on a gold platter.

[NVWalt]

Amen to that Pat. He has done more harm to us shooters, hunters and plain gun owners than he ever could of imagined. All in one swell foop he hands the anti wackos ammo and burns his brothers in arms....Walt

[RugerFan]

You wouldn't believe whats going on at Nuge's forum. Waaaay to many PC types. I posted this:

"Regardless of what Zumbo does or says from here on out, the antis will parade his original blog until the end of time. The damage he has done is astounding. THE MAN CALLED FOR A GUN BAN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Wake up and smell the coffee folks."

and a moderator replied with:

"Let the dead bury their dead. His statement will not harm us by its use by anti-gunners. Zumbo's statement was not noticed by anyone outside of the gun movement. Not one person."

[drinks]

This is amazing, I tried to log on the Nugent forum and was banned because I have a Yahoo email address, no questions, no appeal, no nothing but an arrogant "Go away". Now they are apologists for Dumbo? Is this the real world?

[Lee]

Well, if the 'Nuge isn't just letting his paid mouthpieces run their pie-holes, if he really feels that way, then it behooves all of us to put ole "kill 'em & grill 'em" on a skewer for a long slow roast also. Let's see what further develops. I'd hate to think he is really just another Hollywonker inside when ya skin him.........Lee;)

[RugerFan]

A VERY recent quote from the nuge:

"just spoke with Jim. He's in deep dark hell. He is preparing to face his BloodBrothers here any moment now. The guy has literally lost everything. 100% dumped across the board. fired. unemployed! ostracized! wild. But the beauty is as Ive stated before, he now truly GETS IT and is now gloriously ready to do battle against all who dare think as he did prior to last Sunday. I am convinced this will pan out to be the best right hook us gunners have ever had!"

Get over to

http://www.tednugent.com/cgi-bin/tnusa/nugeboard3/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

and join in on the fun. Too many softys over there trying to give Zumbo a big hug.

[twotoescharlie]

a closed mouth gathers no foot

TTC

[RugerFan]

The latest from the Z-man:

"The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo "

[Chargar]

I have not been following these threads, but have noticed them about the web. I have heard of this guy, but don't really follow his stuff nor did I read his remarks which provoked such an outrage.

I find it difficult to understand how a fellow so deep into the shooting community and culture could not have forseen the consequences of such a monstrous gaff.

I think the fellow is entitled to his own opinions even though they stray from 2nd. Admendment orthodoxy. I also think everybody else is entitled to express their opinions on the issue to those who sponsor this guy. I also think the various sponsors have the right to protect their economic interests by putting air between themselves and Zumbo.

I also find this cyber execution of the man's career quite remarkable. Indeed we are living in different times.

There must be something quite profound to learn in all of this..but I have not broken the code yet.

[Chargar]

I just read Zumbo's latest in no. 134 above. It stikes me as a sincere and honorable statement. He takes full blame and doesn't not take the victum status as so many try to do.

It appears to me that he was so deep into hunting that he failed to understand the rest of the gun culture. I am not a big hunter anymore and don't know whether or not these black guns go afield or not. So, if I drew only from my own experience, I would be like Zumbo and feel they are not a part of the hunting scene.

However I am a recreational shooter and see many of these at ranges in the hands of ordinary Joe's who enjoy shooting them. So, I know they are a part of the current sports shooting scene. Experience has taught me that the average guy with a black gun is not a nut or terrorist.

I also am familiar with 2nd. Amendment issues and orthodoxy and know how the community would react to Zumbo's statement.

I guess the lesson here, is the guy was so deeply involved in his one facet of the shooting sports that he became insular and isolated from the rest. He began to take his personal experience as normative for the others. He was the expert who was out of touch with the changes in his own field. This is truly a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

I for one would give the guy a second chance. I hate to see a guy lose so much because he had his head up his ass. But is is not my call.

[hornetguy]

I have been a reader of Zumbo for many years, and have enjoyed his articles.. he seems to be knowledgeable about hunting.
His statements about "black" rifles is waaaay out of line.
I think he has gotten the message that he screwed up, royally. I think he is probably sincere in his regrets for speaking without regards to the consequences.

What REALLY bothers me, though, is his apparent attitude that "if it isn't a viable HUNTING firearm, then it shouldn't be available to the masses"
Since when did the second amendment have ANYTHING to do with firearms for HUNTING???
To me, this shows a monumental disconnect in the way our rights as citizens are perceived.
Education is desperately needed.

[9.3X62AL]

Good points, Chargar.

I still have trouble understanding how someone conversant in firearms subject matters on any level could be so blind to the presence and utility of military-pattern semi-auto rifles, but we have shotgunners at my club who are likely running neck-and-neck with Mr. Zumbo in that regard. Amazing.

The power of the printed word is reinforced by the actions seen since Feb. 16. What has changed is the speed with which information can be transmitted and actions then taken on the merits of that communication. I don't really think Mr. Zumbo can recover from this faux pas, and the retirement option that he mentions might be his best choice at this point.

The timing of his original remarks in the context of H.R. 1022 remains very disturbing for me.

[rmb721]

There is NO apology that can make up for this. WE must make sure that Zumbo is done.

Read post #33 on this thread. Bill McRae and Thomas McIntyre must be next.

On post #33, it says that Bill McRae completely agrees with Zumbo and he didn't give a damn who does or doesn't like it.

Maybe by this time next week he WILL.

We can not afford to let up. These other two clowns also must go.

[Uncle R.]

He STILL doesn't get it!

The latest from the Z-man:

I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

Jim Zumbo "

Jim - in deference to your supposed "brotherhood" let me try to explain it to you one more time. It's NOT about hunting, Jim - it's about GUN CONTROL and that means PEOPLE control. It's about protecting freedom by keeping the means to resist tyranny (Foreign OR domestic!) in the hands of every man. A man of your age no doubt has heard that cynical version of the golden rule that says "The people with the GOLD make the rules." Well Jim, that's not quite it - the real golden rule is "The people with the GUNS make the rules." If we're going to remain free we'd damned well better stay armed - or we're only free for as long as "the people with the guns" allow us to be free.
I doubt that a fellow like you can grasp the concept but when you're allowed to be free you're not free at all.
So good-bye and good luck Jim - enjoy your hunting but don't try to portray yourself as a friend of the 2nd amendment. If you can't imagine free men being well armed as a "legitimate" purpose then you truly ARE on the other side.
Uncle R.

[Lee]

Awwww! Touching. And next off the Dumbo newscenter will be his announcement that he is entering a 12 step AR recovery program. Ole split-tongue SHOULD retire. Move to England where he won't have to worry about ANY black rifles. 'Ceptin of course in the hands of criminals.......................Lee;-)

[X-man]

Guys,

It is an impossibility that a PROFESSIONAL hunting & gun writer did not know that AR-15s and similar rifles are used for hunting/sporting purposes. Zumbo has had articles published in many different magazines of the years, including Guns & Ammo, which run articles on the AR-15 & hunting with AR-15s and/or AR-15 VARMINT rifles on a fairly regular basis. He is also involved with the NRA, serves on several boards/committees, etc... You would have to have your head so far up your ass as to defy belief for him NOT to be aware that the AR-15 has been used by varmint hunters, etc...

He is lying in a pathetic attempt to save his ass. I'm a Canadian hunter and shooter. Over the past three decades successive liberal leaning governments have prohibited/banned outright full-auto/converted from full to semi-auto firearms, banned handgun hunting, prohibited all handguns with a barrel less than 4.13" and/or .25 & .32cal pistols, and banned specific "evil" looking guns by name such as the AK family and HK family of firearms manfactured up to 1995 (newer models, thankfully escaped this ban as they hadn't been invented yet!)

At the same time, all Canadian firearms owners now must take the Canadian Firearms Safety Course, and if you want to own "Restricted" firearms such as handguns, AR-15s, and short barrel rifles you must take an additional Restricted CFSC course as well. All firearms must be registered and when you sell one, you must call the Canadian Firearms Centre and have them transfer it to the new owner. In order to purchase ammo, you must have a firearms licence and the clerk will require that you produce it before they will even UNLOCK their ammunition display!

Thousands of small gun shops, hardware stores and Mom & Pop type operations have either gone out of business or stopped selling guns & ammo because of this idiotic regulations.

The ONLY reason these laws were passed was because the Canadian Recreational Firearms Community was not unified and motivated to fight against this infringement upon our rights and civil liberties. The trap shooters and hunters weren't interested when the full auto/converted auto firearms were prohibted/banned since they didn't own, use those types of firearms. The target shooters didn't care when essentially half the handguns in Canada were prohibited due to barrel length (the standard barrel length for most handguns is 4"...our government deliberately chose the cut-off for handguns to be 4.13" or 105mm in order to ban the largest number of firearms) because they didn't shoot handguns...

The same pattern goes on, until now, our anti-gun lobbyists, including the Coalition for Gun Control are now openly advocating the complete ban and seizure of all Semi-Auto rifles, regardless of make or model...so now the owners of Remington semi-auto Model 7400s and Browing semi-auto shotguns now find themselves in the same boat as owners of AR-15s & SIG PE-90s, etc...

As Ben Franklin said, if we do not hang together, we will surely hang separately!

Zumbo damaged the cause of all gun owners in North America and he should be punished for it. His disdain for "black rifles" and their owners is a cancer that must be cut out of the recreational firearms community. I don't accept his apology and his "apologists" and other supporters should meet the same fate.

Canadian hunters and shooters are still facing a rocky road...if our American cousins choose to elect another Democratic government with the likes of Hilary Clinton at the helm, you guys are going to be in the same boat as us, 2nd Amendment be damned because that pit viper learned from the "mistakes" that were to be found in the now expired Brady Bill and will make sure the same are not repeated with "her" bill.

[9.3X62AL]

Firearms hobbyists are DEEPLY concerned about any writer who either breaks ranks or equivocates at a time when a re-make of gun prohibitions on a national scale is under consideration. NO ONE lives in a vacuum, even the Fudds.

[Boz330]

One thing for sure, gunwriters or folks that make their living from the firearms trade will engage their brain before their mouth lest they make a FUBAR like this. It is a shame it doesn't work as well on politicians.

Bob

[sundog]

Al, I was thinking eaxactly the same thing about a small clique of shotgunners at my club..., elitists.

I can accept Zumbo's apology, but I certainly do not like what he did. He should be done. He should not represent the community. Anyone who supports his behavior should also be done. It's not about hunting or trap shooting. It's about our rights and not allowing anyone to take them away, or give anyone else fuel to do it.

You either stand with us, or you don't. The Second Amendment means what is says:

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.pdf

Long read, but very worthwhile.

[Chargar]

Al et al... Zumbo's willful ignorance stems from a rather common form of arrogance. It is very visable in the young, tends to receed some in the middle years and pops back up in the later years. It manifests itself in many ways, but the general dynamic goes like this:

MY world = THE world

[kywoodwrkr]

Chargar,
and add
"because I say so!"
I imagine a lot of writers got their PC fired up and started editing future writings if I had my guess.
DaveP

[PatMarlin]

I think what Xman wrote above is the key. That's the blue print they will use cause it worked beautifully.

-Chargar's post is right on, and ties right into what Xman wrote.

The divide amoungst types of shooters is going to screw us big time. I never even realised it was there until now.

[fatnhappy]

Personally, I think those that would tar and feather Nuge should take a step back, then a deep breath.

He provided a venue for Zumbo to either voice contrition or stick his foot in deeper, but he is hardly responsible for Zumbo's idiocy. Moreover, how many guys that support the 2nd, like Nuge, are we willing to eviscerate simply because they weren't spiteful enough? Is Nuge to pay because some lackey acted like an idiot?


I'd hate to see us, out of reasonable umbrage at Zumbo, hurt our cause. I'm satisfied that the one hog at the troth has been shamelessly ground to sausage. His colleagues will long note what has transpired in less than a week.

[PatMarlin]

I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo "

If he uses this as an oportuinity to end the divide and elitism amoung gun owners and focus on the real problem- gun control, people control as Uncle R posted... we may have a silver lining here.

[PatMarlin]

Recieved this from NRA publications that have had a lot of my dollars in the past:

Dear Mr. Marlin:

Everyone at NRA Publications is angered and confused by the thoughts expressed by Jim Zumbo. We all know him well; he has been a periodic contributor to our magazines and a staunch supporter of the NRA for many years. But we cannot understand what led him to believe or write such things. Of course he's entitled to his opinion, but his opinion is certainly not one shared by the NRA staff. All semi-automatic firearms are just that: semi-automatic. There can be no differentiation between them simply based on external appearance. Mr. Zumbo has never been an employee of the NRA, and we have no plans to publish any articles by him in the future. Contributions by him to NRA media are hereby suspended, effective immediately.

Please know that your support and interest in our publications are deeply appreciated.

Sincerely,

John Zent
Editorial Director
NRA Publications

[SharpsShooter]

One thing for sure, gunwriters or folks that make their living from the firearms trade will engage their brain before their mouth lest they make a FUBAR like this. It is a shame it doesn't work as well on politicians.

Bob

That is the genuine beauty of what has been achieved here Boz. The collective outrage of the masses have directly influenced the course of events that have transpired in the past few days. It will work on the politicians as well. It takes outraged citizens that have the courage to speak out both individually and collectivly. We need to continue this fight by addressing our elected representatives and make sure that when HR 1022 comes up for a vote they remember just who it is that elected them in the first place ands cast their vote accordingly.


SS

[Chargar]

Pat.. The divide among gun owners is there because of human nature. It is human nature that says..."As long as I have my way, to hell with your and yours".

They don't seem to realize, that if you don't get yours, sooner or later that will mean I can't have mine. If everybody's rights are not protected, then our rights will go down the tube sooner or later.

I see this all the time on this and other like boards. Folks don't give a hoot about the civil rights of others as long as they have things they way want.

To hell with them, it is all about me! This kind of Zumboistic thinking is not only stupid and ignorant, but down right dangerous to the rights of all.

If all the rights of the other guy, no matter who he is, are not protected, then the rights of all of us are in danger. I don't know why this is so hard for some many to understand.

[PatMarlin]

I don't either.

And Xman's post above clearly shows how gun control gets past into law.

[Old Ironsights]

FWIW, I got a "We've dumped Zumbo" PDF from Gerber today...

[PatMarlin]

I guess this kinda somes it up...

It's not about fudds and black rifles, it's not about hunters vs shooters, it's about gun control, people control, and the second amendment.

We can't let the anti gunners divide and concur us as has been done in Canada, England, Australia. The US is next on the chopping block.

[9.3X62AL]

I would go easy on Ted Nugent until this whole things shakes out. Unlike Mr. Zumbo--whose focus was hunting--Ted Nugent has spoken out unequivocally against gun control in a number of ways over the years. He has earned benefit of doubt that Mr. Zumbo has forfeited any right to.

[sundog]

Let's hope The Nuge gives him a few pointers... Pull the blinders back a bit, shall we say.

[dale clawson]

Zumbo has apologized, this time in a more acceptable manner. I forgive him. This does not mean I will trust him, or read his writings to a great extent until he proves to me over time that we are of a like spirit. Trust must be earned. When I get burned once, I am cautious about getting near the fire again. Time will tell if he deserves my hand of friendship. DALE

[floodgate]

GEEZ!!! I almost feel sorry for the poor schmuck - but not THAT sorry!

floodgate

[pumpguy]

I can accept Zumbos apology. I am sure he is sorry. He probably is even sorry about what he said and how stupid it was not just sorry he got his butt kicked. I will, however, wait to see if he can educate the antis. Words, even words of apology are easy. Actions are difficult. If Jim Zumbo is a man of his word, he