Jim Zumbo,,Gunwriter sells us out.

[45nut]

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html#comment-60841690



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[imashooter2]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


Jim's going to be in a world of hurt when they get around to stealing his "sniper rifles".

[sundog]

Holy cow! So called assualt weapons are popular, because among other things, they can be made to shoot very accurately. Check out what's be shot at high power matches. Pdogs and yotes don't much care what platform the bullet was launched from that wacks them. As far as I'm concerned this yokel is just another elitist! And it also appears that he is very ignorant! I run into guys like this at the club - 'if you don't play my game and do it my way, you're just not doing it' menatality. Go pee up a rope.

btw, I don't own any mouse guns, but I'll be durned if I'm not gonna say something when some ignorant piss ant thinks he knows more than everyone else! Dumb idiot!

[45nut]

I intend to make it my mission to get his narrow views result in his firing. Traitorous sellout.

[sundog]

45Nut, I'm not sure firing is good enough. If I were one of his fellow gun writers I would certainly take him to task on my own bully pulpit. Severely. It's absolutely amazing to me how anyone in the sport could make such statements. I notice he's with a bunch of Remington guys on a hunt. I hope he isn't their front man. That would be really bad.

[ktw]

I intend to make it my mission to get his narrow views result in his firing. Traitorous sellout.

Fired? Think of the amount of traffic it's generating for their site. I thought that's what gunwriters were supposed to do, get the attention of potential consumers.

-ktw

[rugerman1]

jim zumbo is a slimeball in a sea of pus http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/14.gif

[45nut]

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the traitors sponsors...

[Lee]

Yup. Makes me just wanna rush out and buy a Remington...from Cabelas......

Boy should change his first name to "Dumbo".

They say empty barrels make the most noise, I see Dumbo runnin' on empty....

And these gun-rags wonder why subscription rates keep dropping.

In all fairness though, I'll bet most of his "sponsors" have no clue when this pin head moron opens his sewer-hole.

Thanks, I feel better now..............................Lee:wink:

[Bret4207]

While I am also in the group that see's no use for the run of the mill "assault rifle" in the hunting fields, I would never think of writing a story like that if I was in Zumbos shoes. What he has done isn't like the old "revolver vs. semi" or "repeater vs double gun" debates of nearly a century ago. Doing what he did in light of todays political and social leanings is indeed traitorous to anyone who believes in the 2nd Amend. The 2nd isn't about "need" it's about your God given rights as a free man.

Shame on Zumbo. I'll be doing some emailing for sure.

[pumpguy]

I gave up on most of the outdoor magazines years ago. The only regret I have to that end is that I can not cancel my subscription now. I have a safe full of lever action and a a few bolts, yet, I FULLY support somebodys right to enjoy whatever they want. How sad that a person in the position to educate people in the area of gun ownership squanders that role. I will not punish the sponsors of this article because I assume they send in their money long before articles are published. Iwill not buy Outdoor Life ever again, though.

[SharpsShooter]

Apparently dementia has taken early onset with Zumbo. He obviously is so far behind the times in hunting firearms, I am surprised he is not endorsing the "pointy stick" as his weapon of choice and labeling the sling as a terrorist weapon. What an idiot! The firearm you select to use as a hunting platform is an individual choice and while I use BPCR as my choice, I respect the fact that the
AR's have gained respect as an accurate, durable hunting rifle that is available in some very useful calibers including the 458 Socom (SP). As owners of firearms and hunters as well, we need to remain collectively strong and not divided.

Zumbo = IDIOT!

SS

[obssd1958]

Gentlemen,
The article is a travesty. It gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, just as the thought of Hillary running for President does. I debated whether or not to reply to this thread, as my view here is a bit contrarian.
We have all seen a lot of garbage on the internet - stories that supposedly were "fact". Check out snopes.com for a list of urban myths that would take a month to read. The anti-gun media and the groups that support them make a living from disseminating lies - is this story one of them? I don't know...
I'm not defending the article, it truly makes me sick, but did Zumbo write it? He has always seemed like a down to earth, common sense, type of guy. Why the 180 degree change?
If he comes out in public and proclaims "I wrote that article, and I stand behind it!", then I will climb on the bandwagon and boycott his sponsors and anything that has his name attached.

But again, what if he didn't write it?


Don

[Whaump 'em]

This year will go down in history as the first year....
since 1981 I have not taken a semi-auto rifle into the hunting field, but this year I will.

[monadnock#5]

It was articles in Outdoor Life that first turned me off on gun magazines more than35 years ago. The covers made claims of "HOT NEW TACTICS" for bass, trout and whitetails. The pages were actually glossy, color brochures for the travel industry. I very quickly realized that if I couldn't afford to hunt Kodiak Island, or fish South American streams, I wasn't Outdoor Life's kind of people.

Zumbo's take on firearms are just more of the same type of views as are published in the periodicals he writes for. He has a lot more in common with the Clinton's than he does with me.

I don't know how you fight it, but I stand with and applaud those who would try.

Ken

[45nut]

Response from Remington:



ALL - Jim Zumbo in NO WAY speaks for Remington! His opinions are his own. We at Remington take our 2nd Ammendment Rights extremely seriously and ourselves market and manufacturer a AR based 308 rifle. Remington Arms supports the lawful use of all firearms by thier owners in whatever legal manner they choose. We at Remington feel that it is the diversity of our tastes and uses of fireaems that should also be the binding element that assists us all in defending the rights granted to us by our fore fathers.

Rest assured that remington not only does not support jim's view, we totally disagree! I have no explaination for his perspective.

I proudly own AR's and support everyones right to do so!

What makes me sick is how quickly people on the internet have called to boycott Remington. All Jim said was he was hunting with our people! This is normal course in our industry. How else do people think we field test? with writers.

Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars to defend your rights and how quickly the thanks is threat and boycott! Please feel Free to post that remington does not agree with Zumbo in any way shape or form and we will assess our relationship with him accordingly.

Tommy Millner
CEO and President

[pumpguy]

Gentlemen, I, like you am furious with the comments made by Mr. Zumbo. I think it is imperative that we do not extend our anger to the sponsors of the magazine he works for. I encourage you to contact the advertisers and give them a chance to explain their position first. I have to think that none of them is so short sided in their philosophy as to support the ramblings of a fool like Jim Zumbo. If, after you contact them, they do not seem to support the 2nd amendment (which seems highly ulikely), then I would encourage you to discontinue use of their products or services.

[TDB9901]

Yes, lets be careful not to tar and feather the bystanders.

His sponsers, and employers certainly need to know how we feel, but it's way too early to call for boycotts yet, except for one on Zumbo himself. Lets see how much support he has from them first.

Personally I've never cared for his work either, would be no great loss if they did can him.

Tom

[tommag]

I cringe when I see a TV crew at the range, because I know they will show the guy with full tactical gear and only use the parts of the film which causes the most alarm.
Never mind that he or she may be training and be part of the swat team.
The argument for what constitutes sporting never ends. Ask the archer and he will say guns are unfair. Ask the guy with the recurve and he will say that coumpounds are for wussies. Ask the guy with a long-bow and... Taken to its extreme, the only sporting way is to sharpen our fingernails and learn how to bite the neck properly.

I agree that Jim stepped in it. Once they get rid of those ar's, we can focus on those horrible sniper-rifles. Then we can go after those high-capacity tubular magazines. You know, don't you, that those muzzleloader guys use ACTUAL EXPLOSIVES in their guns!!!

[tommag]

He's already retracted http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html

[versifier]

".....Let's forget you, better still."
- The Who

[SharpsShooter]

He's already retracted http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html

Damage Control combined with a touch of spin doctoring to cover his a.... uh Job........... He is still an idiot.

SS

PS I wouldn't use Outdoor Life Magazine in the outhouse now!

[sundog]

45Nut, good post - #16. Sure am glad Remington doesn't buy into his drivel.

Tommag, I just read the first few sentences of what looks like an apology. I don't buy it! Anyone who refers to a pdog gun as a weapon is not a sportsman. My previous statement about him being an elitist stands. If he isn't, he never would have said it to begin with. So much for this gun rag writer. As far as I'm concerned, he needs to retire. NOW. Apology NOT accepted!

[Duckiller]

The Los Angeles Dodgers fired a very knowledgeable,capable general manager because he opened his mouth and inserted his foot without thinking (Al Campanas). Fox television fired Rush Limbaugh for doing/saying similar things. Mr. Zumbo is probably sorry he wrote what he did,but he did write it and as he states it is/was his opinion. I want nothing to do with a writer that has that opinion. He should be fired immediately. I am glad for Remington's response, however they are still sponsoring his site. I realize that they can't instantly drop sponorship, it will be intewresting to see what happens long term. Duckiller

[madcaster]

What is it with writers?
Toby Bridges on the traditional muzzleloaders,now Zumbo on military types!?
Are they too full of themselves(among other things)?

[jim4065]

Most of these guys are elitists. How many of 'em will admit to ever having a Glenfield Model 60 because it was all they could afford? I quit buying gun mags because they left most of us behind - now he's in the stew - he deserves it.

[dk17hmr]

Dang...I am a terrorist....I havent been called that since I was 3.

I have 2 AR-15's both are 16" one a heavy barrel and a 14x scope set up for varmint hunt/shooting with my reloads it will print less then 1" for 10 shots out of a cold barrel at 100 yards, loaded with 64gr soft point I have taken it deer hunting. The other has a light weight barrel with a flash gaurd, vertical grip, collasible stock, red dot scope, I run a 22 conversion bolt in it and use it for squirrels in the fall, and coyotes at night here in MI where it is rimfire only after dark.

I didnt know it was unsporting to use them, I am going to claim ignorance, being 20 years old and not knowing any better.

Doesnt matter I have p-dog kills close to 700 yards with my dads Super Bull 26" AR-15 or the fact that I have shot more crows, raccoons, porkypines, possums, and varmits in general with my 2 AR-15's then any other guns I have in my lockers.

If I had to pick one rifle to use for the rest of my natural life it would be an AR with a 20" fluted flat top with a good scope. I could take anything I will likely every hunt when loaded proper.

Whats next cant use my Garand for deer hunting?

Oh well looks like I will be a terrorist the rest of my life.

[sundog]

Doug, no, you got it all wrong. When you're 3, you're a [holy] terror. Not a terrorist.

If you want to hunt with your AR, I support you! If you do not want to be sporting, I do not. Somehow, I think you understand the thing about being a sportsman. sundog

[RugerFan]

I sent the following message to webmaster@outdoorlife.com


I feel the need to comment on Zumbo’s view on what he calls “terrorist” rifles.

Let me tell you a story about my son’s first deer. At 12 years old my boy was pretty small for his age. A full sized deer rifle or shotgun was to long for him. Someone with more money would just go out and buy a “youth model” or maybe even have a nice rifle customized by a gunsmith to fit the youngster. These weren’t options for me. At the time I was in the US Army and didn’t make much money. My son wanted to go hunting with his Dad in the worst way and hopefully bag his first deer. Fortunately I owned a SKS rifle. Yes, that’s right. Its one of those dreaded assault rifles that Zumbo has chosen to vilify. Since a SKS has a very short stock and the 7.62x39 round has a mild recoil, my boy was able to practice with it at the range and gain good proficiency. I was able to take him on a youth hunt that fall and he bagged a plump 3 point buck with one shot behind the shoulder at 70 yards. Both father and son were ecstatic. The SKS made this event possible. It was the only firearm I had access to that my son could harvest a deer with.

I’m sure I’m not the only one with a story like this. I’m also in the process of building a varmit AR15. I don’t appreciate Zumbo trying to kill that effort. Jim Zumbo strikes me as an elitist snob who is completely out of touch with the shooting world.

Yes I read his retraction (“I was wrong, BIG TIME”). It was obviously nothing more than damage control. He had already shown his true colors. Hunting with TED Nugent won’t change my opinion

Yes he has a right to free speech, but if he continues to speak through Outdoor Life, I will refrain from buying your magazine. I will also encourage shooting/hunting sponsors to advertise where Zumbo is not.

[fatnhappy]

Rights are like muscles, they atrophy if not exercised.

Zumbo has a right to his opinion. I have a right to mine, but none of his sponsors has a right to the cash in my wallet. I will remind remington that I have a number of their products in my safe, and that I will not purchase another primer, case or firearm from them as long as their sponsored mouthpiece chooses to belittle my rights. then I will cancel my subscription to Outdoor life and demand a refund for the remainder.

[ron brooks]

Sorry, he can't take that back. He wrote and submitted an article, this isn't just a slight slip of the tounge, it was a magazine article. As far as I'm concerned, he told his real feelings when he wrote it and lied with the retraction.

Ron

[Lee]

HIM, hunting with Ted Nugent?? Did I understand that right?? Let's see if Ted Nugent ever wants to hunt with him again. THAT will tell a lot of things!!!!!!!!!!!.................Lee:wink:

[RugerFan]

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the traitors sponsors...

I sent e-mails to all his sponsors. I encourage everyone to do the same. Its quick, easy, and makes a big impression.

[wills]

"Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today."

http://www.remington.com/
On the home page

[RugerFan]

"Remington is in the process of severing our sponsorships with Mr. Zumbo. Remington in no way shares or advocates any of the comments made by Mr. Zumbo on his blog site. A formal announcement will be released by noon today."

http://www.remington.com/
On the home page

Priceless! The people have spoken.

[Dale53]

The biggest problem is Jim Zumbo has his name misspelled. It should be "Jim Dumbo".

'Nuff said...

Dale53

[Uncle Grinch]

Don't You just love it when... these guys open their big mouth on sujects they admit they don't know anything about and it comes back and bites them on the butt!

How ignorant!

[9.3X62AL]

"......terrorist weapons......"

Intent is formed in the mind of man, NOT the receiver of a firearm. I am appalled that Mr. Zumbo could hold such views, and that he would express same after being around so many firearms enthusiasts for so long in the business he has been in.

We have trap shooters at the club I belong to who consider skeet and sporting clays to be trash sports--and would be only too happy to see the rifle and pistol ranges getting closed. That sort of short-sighted viewpoint has no place in our respective hobby fields when those fields are under malicious attack by the agenda-driven zealots that constitute the anti-gun/anti-freedom juggernaut.

Politically-incorrect speech also cuts conservatively, as Mr. Zumbo seems to be finding out.

[C1PNR]

I've been away for a few days and now neither of the links work! I can't even read his retraction, much less the original "work."

Oh, well. Just as well I guess. I can't unsubscribe to something I haven't read in MANY years, and I do like my Remington 700 Classic in 8mm Mauser.:coffee:

[duke76]

found this on another board

Jim Zumbo post on Ted Nugent Board..

Posted By: sam
Date: 2/22/07 12:29

In Response To: Jim Zumbo The Traitor of all Shooters gets Axed (Lynn)

The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity #####.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo

[bruce drake]

Can he send this letter to the Brady group and would they even print it with their other passel of lies.

I'm glad to see that he admits he was wrong. Now we just have to fix the damage he has done.

Bruce
An Active-Duty Terrorist for 17 years.
An AR owner for 5 years.

[duke76]

Well he says he will own an AR15 by the end of the week. How is he going to afford that without a job?

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j189/duke76_photos/VaderZumbo.jpg

[Bigjohn]

Now; I must state before I start talking on this subject, that I have not nor do I wish read the 'trash' that ZUMBO wrote.

Back in 1996; when we Aussie's were fighting to save our Semi-autos from the scrap heap; a fight that failed; many of the shooters from various disciplines attended community meetings.

I remember one such meeting where a member of the Target Rifle Association stood up before the meeting and said that Semi-auto rifles etc had no place in sporting or hunting shoots.
Well, after the meeting I went and introduced myself to him and his companion and informed them about a sport they had not taken the time to investigate. They seemed to be quite apoligetic explaining they knew nothing of the sport to which I responded saying that was the problem, basically shooting ones mouth off without a full load.

Well that's history now, but they do say that history repeats itself. So, I hope the words of this mis-informed writer who NEVER took the time to research his article before putting pen to paper; do no damage.

Safe shooting whatever you use,
John.