making #2

[Lloyd Smale]

I once saw a post somewhere on a bunch of ways to mix up #2 Ive got the lyman casting manual and it only gives two. Anyone have a link to a chart somewhere.

[arkypete]

I thought we were getting into bathroom humor here.
Jim

PS
I saw the same formulations also but can not remember where. Mental vapor lock.
Jim

[wills]

Any of these help?
http://pagwa.tripod.com/new_page_2.htm
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/FAQ.htm
http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/cast_bullet_resizing.html
http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm
http://www.alchemycastings.com/lead-products/bullet.htm

[alamogunr]

I thought you might be thinking about a little brochure from the old LETS company that they called a recipe booklet. Before postiing I went to the shop to find it and it only has 2 recipes for #2 also. While I had that folder out I looked at all the old literature that I acquired when I first became interested in cast bullets. The LETS literature (Bill Ferguson has done very well by that acquisition), a lot of information that I got from Art Green in the mid 90's. etc. I wish I had some prices from that time period. Then, as now, market ruled, so no quoted prices until you ordered.

John

[Lloyd Smale]

not really but thanks Willis for posting them. I once saw a chart that gave a bunch of recipes for getting to #2 using wws pure tin and lyno and mono.
Any of these help?
http://pagwa.tripod.com/new_page_2.htm
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/FAQ.htm
http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/cast_bullet_resizing.html
http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm
http://www.alchemycastings.com/lead-products/bullet.htm

[freddyp]

Here is what you are looking for:

9lbs wheelweights plus 1lbs of 50/50 solder
or

4lbs lino
1lbs 50/50
5lbs pure lead

This came from from the Lyman cast bullet handbook.

[Lloyd Smale]

saw that one Freddy the one im looking for had like a dozen differnt ways to get there.

[Char-Gar]

Bill Ferguson is now selling "enrichment alloy"... Just mix it with WW and you have No. 2

[FISH4BUGS]

5 lbs WW + 1 lb Linotype = 6 lbs #2

[RayinNH]

Lloyd, was it this site; http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm

about 2/3 down on the page...Ray

[Scrounger]

Bill Ferguson is now selling "enrichment alloy"... Just mix it with WW and you have No. 2


I bought 20 pounds of that 5 years ago from Billy Marr. I just rediscovered it in my loading room.

[garandsrus]

Lloyd,

Here's an alloy calculator (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=8790&highlight=alloy+calculator) that you can use to determine your recipe if you have Excel...

For Monotype (76% lead, 16% Antimony, 8% Tin) and pure lead, the mix for 50 lbs of alloy would be:
Pounds Ounces
Pure Lead 33 1.5
Monotype: 15 10.4
Add Tin: 1 4.0

It's surprising that you need to add tin, but it's because the concentration of antimony is so high that you have to dilute it quite a bit to get to the 5% level. If you use the same weights but don't add the tin, you would have: 2.6% tin, 5.1% antimony, and 92.3 lead.

Here are the calculations for the mixes shown in this thread:

9lbs wheelweights plus 1lbs of 50/50 solder:
5.5% tin, 3.6% antimony, 91.0% lead


4lbs lino, 1lbs 50/50, 5lbs pure lead
6.6% tin, 4.8% antimony, 88.6% lead

If you alter this to 4lbs lino, 0.6 lbs 50/50, and 5 lbs pure (the only difference is the 50/50), you will end up with 4.8% tin, 5.0% antimony, and 90.2 lead which gets closer to #2 and is a cheaper alloy to make.


5 lb WW with 1 lb Linotype:
1.1% tin, 5.3% antimony, 93.6% lead

Is the type metal you bought linotype? From the other thread you posted, I though you had monotype. The composition of monotype is supposed to be 8% Tin, 16% Antimony, and 76% lead while linotype is 4% tin, 12% Antimony, and 84% lead.

John

[threett1]

So what is the actual hardness of #2? Or does it have properties besides hardness thats important? Showing my ignorance here.

[carpetman]

I have submitted #2 samples to the lab at the hospital and I'm not sure what all they check. I see stool softeners for sale so guess that is a factor. Also hear about regularity so I guess that's another. Oopppss you mean #2 alloy,I'm sure the hardness of that will vary about as much as the hardness of #2 I mentioned. My reason for thinking this is the basis for a lot of #2 is wheelweights---making an exact by adding exacts to an unknown doesnt seem right to me.

[Scrounger]

I have submitted #2 samples to the lab at the hospital and I'm not sure what all they check. I see stool softeners for sale so guess that is a factor. Also hear about regularity so I guess that's another. Oopppss you mean #2 alloy,I'm sure the hardness of that will vary about as much as the hardness of #2 I mentioned. My reason for thinking this is the basis for a lot of #2 is wheelweights---making an exact by adding exacts to an unknown doesnt seem right to me.

You still putting ****** in your wheelweights, trying to make them harder, Ray?

[threett1]

True about the ******, But won't that Levitra stuff make it where the alloy can take its time to stay harder???:mrgreen:

[carpetman]

They say if ****** works for over 4 hours,call your Doctor. I would call the newspaper,I don't want it limited to just my Dr knowing about it.

[Scrounger]

They say if ****** works for over 4 hours,call your Doctor. I would call the newspaper,I don't want it limited to just my Dr knowing about it.

In your case, they should call the SPCA!!!!

[7-30 Waters]

threett1:

Hardball alloy consisting of 2% tin, 6% antimony and 92% lead is the modern version of the old Lyman #2 alloy. The Brinell Hardness of Hardball alloy is about 16.

Otherwise, if you have a good local source of pure lead, blend it 1 to 1 with Linotype alloy to produce Hardball alloy. The Brinell Hardness of this Linotype alloy is about 22.

[Lloyd Smale]

thanks for all the help guys ive got a couple good ideas now.

[Jim]

I got access to plenny of lead and plenny of 95/5 solder, but no linotype and very little WWs. How can I mix lead and 95/5 to get a decent shootable alloy? It would be just fer pokin holes in paper.

Jim