Starter pot question.

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Ok, I have pretty much killed my budget for a while but still want to cast some Boolits.
I am going to order a Lyman #311291 die set to get my 30-30 and Mosin fix.
I do have a couple Colamn stoves out in the shop.
Can I get buy with a used stanless or aluminium pot from the goodwill and use that for a while?

[Bill*]

yes with the stainless, but don't use aluminum, it can fail at the temps you're dealing with

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Thanks Bill!!!
Off to the GW I go.

[cbr]

Coleman stove and a cast iron pot from a thrift store is all I have ever used. Keep thinking one of these days I will upgrade, but I guess if it aint broke, dont fix it.

[Sonnypie]

Stainless would be my choice.
And not too big, unless you want to use it for smelting later.
I guess you will be ladle pouring?

Welcome to cast boolits.

Oh, and you'll have to take your finger out of your nose. :idea:

[mongo]

My smelter is an old Coleman white gas stove with a big old stainless pressure cooker pot. I plan on getting a propand burner but agree with cbr, If it aint broke, dont fix it..

[mpmarty]

Turkey fryer and a five gallon propane tank work for me with a few cast iron pots.

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Stainless would be my choice.
And not too big, unless you want to use it for smelting later.
I guess you will be ladle pouring?

Welcome to cast boolits.

Oh, and you'll have to take your finger out of your nose. :idea:

Yes ladle pour is the plan for now. At least until I know what I want.

You know what they say. Have to concentrate on the task at hand.... D'oh!!!

[10 ga]

For years I used a Coleman 2 burner and a GW stainless steel deep skillet. Then I worked in a yardsale cast iron dutch oven. Now I have several yard sale fish cooker/turkey fryer burners and cut down freon tanks. Have several SS pots from GW and the junkyard that I use for casting. Other than 40 years ago in college at VT casting with the infamous Ed Harris, I've never used a bottom pour. Ladle all the way, from smelting to casting. Smelting and casting are too much fun to do in a hurry! 10

[Bret4207]

A Coleman and a steel pot is fine. I used a camp stove and a bread pan for some time and an old soup ladle to pour with. This isn't rocket science. At this point you should be concentrating on learning to cast. Some of the finest boolits ever poured were produced using little more than a woodstove, a cast pot and a ho'made ladle. Old Harry Pope and CW Rowland didn't have Master Casters and bottom pour pots. You will produce as nice, if not nicer, boolits with a yard sale stainless pot and a ladle as you will with a #350.00 RCBS BP pot if you pay attention.

BTW- if you want to feed a M-N you'd be better off with a 314299 than a 311329.

[Jim]

Boy, Bret, THAT brought back some memories! A single element stove on top of one of those small bottles with the plastic flange base, an old pot my wife said I could have and a gravy ladle with the handle bent straight. Man, I was somebody![smilie=w:

[leftiye]

Think Potty!

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Thanks guys I appreciate the advice. I have found a couple Stainless pots for .50 cents for both and a soup laddle and some sort of wisk for taking things out of a deep fryier. All for less than a buck.
I decided to wait on the 30 cal mold for now. Not sure what I want yet. I do have two LEE molds coming
LEE DC MOLD 358-158-RF
LEE DC MOLD 452-228-1R

I shoot these by the 1000's so should give me casting to do. Now I am reading up on Pan Lube

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

I'm one of those who started with a gas stove and pot, tried a bottom pour and returned to the pot and stove never to look back

Get yourself a Rowell bottom pour ladle, a cast iron pot that holds 40 + lbs and you and the gas stove can really turn out the boolits.

If casting for the handguns, I like to team cast running 4 - 5 molds and prefer the 4 cavity or larger molds.

Two of us can cast a lot of boolits fast, and the big pot and the gas stove are big enough and hot enough to allow for adding back the sprews and fresh ingets all while still casting.

For my rifle boolits, I cast alone trying for boolits of a bit closer weights.

On the handgun boolits, few of us can shoot good enough to ever see the difference of a slight wt. difference.

Check out the bottom pour ladles before you spend money on a Lyman or RCBS casting ladle. The bottom are a huge step better then the side pour.

By the way, Bruce - BABore - here on the forum is a maker of great quality molds. Talking better here then anything Lyman, RCBS or Lee ever turned out. Of those three, I prefer RCBS and wish they made something bigger then 2 cavity molds.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

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Well Gave it my 1st try today. Set up my Colman stove with a stainless steel soup pan. set up my water quench, My slag pan. Cleaned and pre heated my molds. Took me a little while to figure out how to get a LEE mold to throw good lead. Cant be too hot, Cant be too cold, Cant be to hot in one spot and just right in another. Once you do hit the sweet spot they come out pretty nice. I ended up with 100 good ones for the 45. :Fire:
Didn't have any luck with the 357 boolits. I didn't smoke the mold 1st and was just messing around with it. Will do better next time.

[Bret4207]

Don't even bother smoking the mould. That's just a bandaid on the problems that are usually realted to not enough heat in the mould and oils left int he mould from machining. No need to quench for a 45. You can if you want, but it's hardly ever needed.

[GP100man]

If ya gonna try 1 mould for both rifles don`t over look the 311041

The 311041 does excellent in the dirty-turdy ,but the 314299 is the cats meow in the Mosin.

I chamber cast my Mosins & found the throats were long & the long nose on the 314299helped alot .

On equipment , it really does`nt take alot to start but takes $$ to have production !!!

I think most here started with a fire, pot & ladle ????

Myself I started because I bought the Lyan manual to load with & started reading the casting section & said Hummm . - - - - - My name is GP100man & I`m an addict ,it`s been 16days7hrs 43 minutes 27 seconds since I last melted lead !!!!

Gotta get a FIX !!!!

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/102_0304.jpg

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/102_0525.jpg

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If ya gonna try 1 mould for both rifles don`t over look the 311041

The 311041 does excellent in the dirty-turdy ,but the 314299 is the cats meow in the Mosin.

I chamber cast my Mosins & found the throats were long & the long nose on the 314299helped alot .

On equipment , it really does`nt take alot to start but takes $$ to have production !!!

I think most here started with a fire, pot & ladle ????

Myself I started because I bought the Lyan manual to load with & started reading the casting section & said Hummm . - - - - - My name is GP100man & I`m an addict ,it`s been 16days7hrs 43 minutes 27 seconds since I last melted lead !!!!

Gotta get a FIX !!!!

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/102_0304.jpg

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/102_0525.jpg

For me it was the chapter in ABC's of reloading describing papper patched cast bullets.
That got me wanting to cast. I will learn paper patching.

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Haven't been there and done that, so could be dealing with false info here --------

But, it sounds like the paper patching is a factor in shorter barrel life. As said, haven't been there, just going on what I read.

Truely other then making the rainbow arch of the 45/70 a bit flatter, from the killing aspect, can see no reason for needing greater velocity and up to the 2300 - 2500fps lubed boolits did just fine.

Figure that with velocity in that range and providing I was still shooting my current 465gr boolit, recoil just may not be to my liking!

Quite happy in the 1600 - 1700fps range with that boolit and it kills like crazy!

Was benching a friend's 30/06 and his wife's 270 yesterday, and after a summer of load development with the 465gr in the 45/70, those rifles were kitten soft in the recoil department.

IMHO, If your hunting for game, use a proper boolit design and caliber and you'll not need the higher velocity and/or paper patching.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[cbrick]

a yard sale stainless pot and a ladle as you will with a $350.00 RCBS BP pot if you pay attention.

Yikes, now there was an eye opening shocker. Must have been some time since I priced the RCBS pot. I remember being shocked when they hit $100.00 and thinking how lucky I was that I bought mine when I did.

I thought it was a typo when Bret said $350, had to go to Midway and see. WOW . . . No typo. :shock:

Rick

[mold maker]

The price is still the same. Your money is just worth less.
When I was a chap, a quarter bought a Sat (4 hr) at the movie, with a hot dog, candy bar/pop corn, and a coke. I even had 2 cents left over.

[mold maker]

Ohhh yeah,,, and you could wear your cap pistols, in the bank, with Mom, on the way.
OMG that was a long time ago.

[TCLouis]

Dang lost the first response to this thread to fingers ahead of brain syndrome. here is the short version.

Way back when, I cast a gazillion 429215s using a WWII SS canteen cup and a homemade dipper. they were sized, loaded using a Lyman 310 tong tool and sent down range from an original Flat Top..

One can cast boolits using as simple or sophisticated (meaning expensive) system as they have the means to support.

Weight and heat can become an issue with the grid of a Coleman.

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Just looked up the Rowell Bottom Pour Ladle, and right now on the RotoMetal web site, the #2 ladle is $26.00.

This is a 2 lb bowl with a 10" handle.

OK, $26 for the ladle, few bucks at a yard sale for a BIG cast iron pot or maybe $50.00 if ya buy new, add it to the old Colman stove you pick up for almost zip at a yard sale and your GOOD TO GO!

AS said earlier, that bottom pour ladle is great!

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[cbrick]

Just looked up the Rowell Bottom Pour Ladle, and right now on the RotoMetal web site, the #2 ladle is $26.00. This is a 2 lb bowl with a 10" handle. Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

I dunno Ol'Coot, do you use the Rowell? I have four of them, #4 and #5 are for smelting and #5 is really too large unless you have a huge pot. I use #1 and #2 for casting, #2 I use for large bullets in multi cavity molds but in reality is too large for most casting and it needed the handle shortened. #1 is perfect for almost all casting and the one I would recommend.

Rick

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Hello Cbrick,

Been a number of years since I bought the Rowell #2, and yes it is what I use for casting.

Great product.

I like to cast with minimum of 2 cavity, and much prefer molds with 4 - 6 cavities.

My most recent mold is from Bruce - BABore - here in the forum, and it is a 4 cavity 465gr mold for the 45/70.

Great quality mold by the way.


I like to get a stream of alloy going before I hit the first cavity and keep it flowing until the last cavity is full, so it takes a bit of metal to get it all done in one pour.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[olafhardt]

I have had a lot of fun with a Lee 4 lb pot and a gravy ladle. I never need more than 100 boolits at a time which keeps it from becoming a chore. Between that pot, molds, sizers, dies etc Lee and Midway have enhanced and enriched my life.

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Haven't been there and done that, so could be dealing with false info here --------

But, it sounds like the paper patching is a factor in shorter barrel life. As said, haven't been there, just going on what I read.

Truely other then making the rainbow arch of the 45/70 a bit flatter, from the killing aspect, can see no reason for needing greater velocity and up to the 2300 - 2500fps lubed boolits did just fine.

Figure that with velocity in that range and providing I was still shooting my current 465gr boolit, recoil just may not be to my liking!

Quite happy in the 1600 - 1700fps range with that boolit and it kills like crazy!

Was benching a friend's 30/06 and his wife's 270 yesterday, and after a summer of load development with the 465gr in the 45/70, those rifles were kitten soft in the recoil department.

IMHO, If your hunting for game, use a proper boolit design and caliber and you'll not need the higher velocity and/or paper patching.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

main reason is for my Marlin 336. It shoots .310 cast in the same hole with a low power Trail Boss load at 50 yards. Inside 3 inches at 100. but as soon as I up the velocity above 1200 or so. I cant hit a paper plate at 50 yards.
Jacketed is another story. It likes jackets with those Micro grooves.
I think those paper patches and those Micro Grooves would get along just fine. At least i want to try em out.

I am never going to buy another Micro Groove gun.............. Ok maybe i will. You know dang well if ones comes near me for a couple hundred bucks its coming home so I should not say never.

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Have only had one Micro Groove rifle, and it shot cast boolit JUST FINE!

Possibly boolit fit to your barrel

Lots of people shoot'in micro groove barrel just fine with cast. Ya might check out the Marlinowners forum for more info.

As per casting 100 +/- boolits at a time, that is not my thing for sure!

When casting for hand guns, like I have said before, like to team cast, one person tending the pot and pouring and the other opening and rotating the 4 - 5 molds.

With the 45/70, and casting by myself with the 4 cavity mold, Hundreds would be my goal at any one casting session.

That way, I can weigh and group the boolits as well as sort out the rejects and still have enough production to make the trip worth the effort.

Just an Ol'Coot's way of doing things, but reasonably high production is the goal.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot