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selmerfan
09-12-2011, 08:31 PM
Well, I finally had a morning to spend at the range with four rifles and 100 yds with me all by my lonesome (private setup). I was shooting my .308 FN PBR XP with cast boolits, M77 .260 Rem. with jacketed and TC Encore MGM 17" pistol barrel in .260 Rem with jacketed and my Marlin 881 .22 LR for fun 100 yd. plinking at 8" steel disks.
It was nice to be able to rotate 3 centerfires for shooting groups on load development - shoot one group, grab a different gun, shoot another group, grab a different gun, shoot another group and the first one is cooled off! I have great hunting loads with both .260s now, the handgun gets used for MN deer in the shotgun zone in about 6 weeks.
Here's the question:
I have two loads in the .308 Win with cast boolits that I'd like to hunt mule deer with this fall in South Dakota, 200 yd self-imposed max range with cast. (I've killed deer with this gun in the area I'll be hunting at over 500 yds with jacketed loads, it's a great shooter!)

Both loads shot .75" 5 shot groups at 100 yds, but I'm not sure which is faster because I have trophy chrono mounted on the wall... [smilie=b:
Load one is a 311290 HP boolit from Ben with 33 gr. of Varget behind it and load two is the same boolit with 27 gr. of Reloder 7 behind it. They shoot to the same POA/POI. I'm looking for something in the 1800-2000 fps range - will these loads fill the bill? Next step is stretching them to 200 yds and seeing how bad the drop is on both of them. Thanks for looking, I had a GREAT time today!!!
Oh - and the kicker is that I just got done cleaning rifles. I ran 60 rounds of cast through the .308 Win this morning - three patches of GM Top Engine Cleaner had it whistle clean, zero leading. I'm using a 50/50 concoction of Saeco Green and Bullshop's Speed Green. I'm glad I have a lot of it, it's working great! The .260s cleaned up in just as fast a time, I attribute a good portion of the ease to having the barrels treated with Ultra Bore Coat. It makes cleaning soooo much easier - even unnecessary to a degree until accuracy degrades, but I'm sure someone else is OCD like me...

Blammer
09-12-2011, 08:46 PM
I'd shoot both loads at 200 yds and see what one either holds the better accuracy or has less drop. That would be my determining factor, and I'd not worry about velocity. Let the target tell you.

selmerfan
09-12-2011, 09:30 PM
That's the plan, thanks for confirming it!

onondaga
09-12-2011, 09:31 PM
Targets do tell but I am fussy about charting POI and memorizing it along the path of a boolit. I nearly must use a chrono and then run a ballistic chart before I will hunt with a rifle. I like to manipulate zero distances in the charting program to maximize what I have to work with considering the velocity of the boolit and it's weight related to looking through the scope at practical hunting ranges

Sometimes that means sighting in 2 inches high at 50 yards, sometimes that mans something a lot different based on the charting. I know what to expect deer hunting my area. I get a 25 yard shot or a 70 yard shot or a 200 yard shot depending on which of my blinds I sit at and what time it is.

Gary

runfiverun
09-13-2011, 06:29 PM
you'll have about 5 moa drop from 100 to 200 with a 165-170 boolit at 1900-50 fps.
33 gr varget should be right over 2k in a 20-21"bbl.

selmerfan
09-13-2011, 06:37 PM
Thanks runfiverun. I'm running these out of a 24" barrel. I'm going to have to sell a scope to buy a chronograph so I know for sure what I'm doing for velocity, but shooting a 100 yd. target then a 200 yd target with the same site setting will tell me as much as I need to know. I'm sure it's running around 2000 fps and should be hell on a mule deer when I drop it in the boiler room. :)

Chicken Thief
09-14-2011, 02:21 PM
QL says:

33gr VARGET = 1938fps @ 27825psi
27gr R-7 = 1935fps @33225psi

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Til%20andre/311290at1935fps.jpg

big dale
09-14-2011, 02:56 PM
I read an article in a magazine back in the 70's that said that you can arrive at the baliistic truth with a 10 cent ruler. I had a chrongraph for a while, but always had more fun just shooting.

Have fun with this stuff.

Big Dale

selmerfan
09-14-2011, 03:46 PM
I went back and looked at the targets, it's actually 28 gr. of RL-7, so that "should" be a bit faster load, but both are in the realm I'm looking for as a hunting load for deer with this big HP 311290. Thanks for all the help - I'll be back at the range extrapolating data and ballistics on Monday morning!

selmerfan
09-19-2011, 12:16 PM
Well, I got back to the range today. No question that the Varget load is my hunting choice - the RL7 opens up to about 2.5MOA at 200 yds, the Varget group is still sub-MOA. 9" of drop from 100 yds to 200 yds. with the Varget load, so 3.5" high will have me point blank out to 200 yds.