Finally! 358 Win (99 Savage)

[trk]

Found one at a gun show this morning (Hampton, VA)! 95% Finish. Included 2-1/2 boxes of bullets too - $575.

With the rifle still lying on the counter, the dealer counting the money and my wife watching from the left the guy on my right asked what caliber it was - 358Win I replied - and he said "DAMN! that's the caliber I'm looking for!" Then walking out the next guy I ran into asked what caliber - 358 Win I replied - he performed the sign of the cross (TWICE) seeing my big grin and knowing I was blessed!


Which bullets will feed through the action?

[PatMarlin]

Awesome score!!.. :drinks:

Welcome to the .358 Winchester Club. Now you're in for some real cast boolit shootin' fun.. :mrgreen:

[NVcurmudgeon]

Congratulations on getting a nice rifle. I had one until the call of the .35 Whelen got too loud to resist. You also got a good price, I guess because Virginia is a long way from elk country.

[onceabull]

trk: If that is a 99-F you found for that price,I think I'll break down and bawl,AND I'm way too old to behave like that !! I finally gave up and paid more than that for the "Brush Gun",and have felt lucky to get it (UNTIL TODAY):twisted: onceabull :twisted:

[trk]

It is a 99-F and the peep sight on the rear is a Redfield. (I could only afford the Williams to put on my 99 in .308 .) It also has the original detachable swivels too.

I will admit to have been looking for about 15 years for one.

Price? These guys made the mistake by using the Blue Book. Asking was $595 they took $575.

I appreciate the comments, thanks!

What about recommendations for which cast bullet ot use?

[tomf52]

trk - Which bullets? Lead ones!

[trk]

trk - Which bullets? Lead ones!


THAT's a "GIVEN"!

I'm looking for squirrel loads and deer loads.

[mike in co]

THAT's a "GIVEN"!

I'm looking for squirrel loads and deer loads.


think there is three gb working right now

a 185, a 220 and a 250......

jump in.....

[Bass Ackward]

What about recommendations for which cast bullet ot use?


Cat,

One that fits.

And we all know how you determine that .... right. :grin:

Congrats on the buy too. I was searching since the 70s and never even saw or read of one for sale. I would have accepted an 88 too. That's why I finally built the Whelen.

[PatMarlin]

I've got an Online subscribtion to the Blue Book:

MODEL 1899
- improvement of Model 1895 with squared-off front end of breech bolt and cocking indicator as opposed to viewing hole indicator. Early Model 1899s have oblong cocking indicator located on the top of the breech bolt. In approx. 1908, this was changed to a pin on the upper tang. A wide variety of special order features were available including special length barrels (up to 30 in.), pistol grip stocks, checkering, woods, plating, grades of engraving, sights, etc., all of which can command a moderate to sizeable premium.
Add 20% for .25-35 WCF, .32-40 WCF, or .38-55 WCF cal.
In 1905 Savage broadened the variety of this model and added the 1899A2, CD, BC, AB, Excelsior, Leader, Crescent, Victor, Rival, Premier, and Monarch (top-of-the-line model). Prices at the time ranged from $21 to $250 - quite a range. Any factory engraved Savage 99 is rare (less than 1,000 mfg. to date) with values having to be computed one gun at a time. Engraved Model 1899s range from $2,000-$40,000, depending on the level of engraving and original condition. Because of this, the above values assume standard rifle with no engraving options (Grades A through G).
All Model 1899s and 99s fall within the domain of Savage Arms, Inc.
Rifles under ser. no. 90,000 should be inspected before firing for possible receiver cracking at rear left corner.
From 1899-circa 1950, Model 1899s had serial numbers stamped on buttplate, buttstock, and forearm. A factory drilled and tapped Model 1899 has the model nomenclature moved to the left side.

Model 1899-F Carbine
- various cals., 3 different variations, the first variation was made approx. 1899-1905 with small barrel band and receiver ring (scarce), the second and third variations are more frequently encountered.

Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$1,575 $1,325 $1,150 $950 $825 $700 $600

Add approx. 25% for Winchester calibers.
Add 10% for .30-30 Win. cal.
Add 75% for small barrel band variation.

[PatMarlin]

He musta used an old book... :mrgreen:


I've got 3 Winchesters that aren't even in the book and I emailed em' and said HEY, what's up with that?

They emailed me back and wanted model number with pics. I sent em pics of one.

[PatMarlin]

Ooops...

I found more:

MODEL 99F FEATHERWEIGHT
- similar to pre-war Model 99E, except takedown and 1/2 pound lighter, also mfg. with .410 bore shotgun barrel. Mfg. 1920-40.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$950 $750 $675 $575 $450 $400 $300

Add 35% for .410 bore shotgun barrel.
Add 10% for cut checkering.
Add 10% for .22 HP or .250 Sav. cal.

MODEL 99F
- .243 Win., .250-3000 Sav., .284 Win., .300 Sav., .308 Win., or .358 Win. cal., solid frame, checkered pistol grip stock. Mfg. 1955-73.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$750 $630 $525 $465 $400 $300 $250

Add 35% for .250-3000 Sav., .358 Win., or .284 Win. cal.
This model, in many cases, had the receiver marked "99M".

MODEL 99-358 (BRUSH GUN)
- .358 Win. cal., recoil pad. Mfg. 1977-80.
Grading
100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
$850 $725 $650 $550 $500 $475 $450

[carpetman]

Pat Marlin-----I have one Winchester that was not in the Blue Book. I contacted them and they even called me on the phone. They said they were on top of it and it would be in their next book. It wasn't so I quit buying their book. It's a Winchester Model 70 Westerner. Maven has one too. This is not the old Westerner that was in a magnum. Mines a .223 and I think around 1980. Would you do me a favor and see if it's now listed,and if so give me the scoop? Thanks.

[PatMarlin]

History:


SAVAGE ARMS, INC. Current manufacturer located in Westfield, MA since 1959, with sales offices located in Suffield, CT. Previously manufactured in Utica, NY - later manufacture was in Chicopee Falls, MA. Dealer and distributor sales.
This company originally started in Utica, NY in 1895. The Model 1895 was initially manufactured by Marlin between 1895-1899. The company was renamed Savage Arms Co. in 1899. After WWI, the name was again changed to the Savage Arms Corporation. Savage moved to Chicopee Falls, MA circa 1946 (to its Stevens Arms Co. plants). In the mid-1960s the company became The Savage Arms Division of American Hardware Corp., which later became The Emhart Corporation. This division was sold in September 1981, and became Savage Industries, Inc. located in Westfield, MA (since the move in 1960). On November 1, 1989, Savage Arms Inc. acquired the majority of assets of Savage Industries, Inc.
Savage Arms, Inc. will offer service and parts on their current line of firearms only (those manufactured after Nov. 1, 1995). These models include the 24, 99, and 110 plus the imported Model 312. Warranty and repair claims for products not acquired by Savage Arms, Inc. will remain the responsibility of Savage Industries, Inc. For information regarding the repair and/or parts of Savage Industries, Inc. firearms, please refer to the Trademark Index in the back of this text. Parts for pre-1989 Savage Industries, Inc. firearms may be obtained by contacting the Gun Parts Corporation located in West Hurley, NY (listed in Trademark Index). Savage Arms, Inc. has older records/info. on pistols, the Model 24, older mfg. Model 99s, and Model 110 only. A factory letter authenticating the configuration of a particular specimen may be obtained by contacting Mr. John Callahan (see Trademark Index for listings and address). The charge for this service is $20.00 per gun, and $25.00 per gun for Models 1895, 1899, and 99 rifles. Please allow 2-4 weeks for an adequate response.
For more Savage model information, please refer to the Serialization section in the back of this text.
Please refer to the Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Arms by John Allen & Dennis Adler (also online) for more information and prices on Savage's lineup of modern black powder models. For more information and current pricing on both new and used Savage airguns, please refer to the Blue Book of Airguns by Dr. Robert Beeman & John Allen (also online).

[PatMarlin]

Pat Marlin-----I have one Winchester that was not in the Blue Book. I contacted them and they even called me on the phone. They said they were on top of it and it would be in their next book. It wasn't so I quit buying their book. It's a Winchester Model 70 Westerner. Maven has one too. This is not the old Westerner that was in a magnum. Mines a .223 and I think around 1980. Would you do me a favor and see if it's now listed,and if so give me the scoop? Thanks.

I will if you start calling me Pat... Ray, and accept PayPal... :mrgreen:

[PatMarlin]

Sheesh... Man there's a lot of Model 70's recent mfg. No wonder the fools went out of business.. :roll:

WINCHESTER : RIFLES: BOLT ACTION - MODEL 70, 1964 - RECENT MFG.

I searched high and low there and you're right... no mention of a "Westerner".

[PatMarlin]

WINCHESTER : RIFLES: BOLT ACTION - POST 1964 MODEL 70 CUSTOM GRADES

Looked there and no luck either.

[carpetman]

Pat---I call you PatMarlin so some other Pat wont be confused--I call NVCurmudgeon that so as other bills wont be confused--on and on. Felix is the exception--I call him felix. Along these same lines,I try to include enough of the subject so that you can tell what I'm talking about. For example how many posts you see that start out with something like-"yea I agree with that"? Agree with what? You then have to backtrack--read the whole thread--and then not know which opinion they agree with. Sorta like starting out in mid sentence---give us the whole sentence.

[carpetman]

Pat--Thanks for looking in the Blue Book for the Win 70 Westerner. The Blue Book goes to great length to list every little variation possible and I understand they can't list all guns----but A Winchester Model 70 not listed????I don't like the Blue Book format. If a person doesnt already know what a certain model is,it's hard to find. If for example a Winchester model 45 would be what follows the Winchester model44 then you could easily find it. But you have to know what action the 45 is and era it was made. Very often a certain model gets mentioned and my reason for looking it up is to find out what it is and without already knowing sometimes it takes awhile. If I knew all that,wouldn't be looking it up. For this reason I frequently use my Gun Traders Guide vs the Blue Book. I don't have account set up to accept Pay Pal---but I do pay with Pay Pal--is that close enough?

[PatMarlin]

If you pay with the evil PayPal, you already have an account, by your email.

I could send you $1000 right now, to your account. So just say when.. :mrgreen:

[TCLouis]

What about the 1899 in 30-30.
I did not see that one listed.

My ex-wifes Dad had one, bought new and it had been VERY SELDOM used.

[onceabull]

TCLouis: Insofar as the ref.sources i can access,it appears that ALL of the savage 1899 model variations were offered in 30/30. With the change to model 99's,the 30/30 was only available in selected configurations.(not speaking to uncataloged special orders,or "Lunchbox guns") and not cataloged at all post WWII.. fwiw,Onceabull

[bravokilo]

If you are REALLY interested in info on the 99 look for a copy of "The Ninety-Nine, A History of the Savage Model 99 Rifle" By D. P. Murray. I say "really" because they are not cheap! There are 2 listed on abebooks right now. Search for "Murray" and "Nine" or you will pull up a lot of excess listings.

BK

[9.3X62AL]

Congrats on a fine rifle at a REAL GOOD price. I know how much I like my 250-3000, and it shoots castings VERY well.