Hensley & Gibbs #38 30 Cal Ness Safety Bullet

[thehouseproduct]

We are starting an Active Buy for a Cramer-type brass 2-cavity plain base mold that casts in the Hensley & Gibbs #38 profile. This is a 30 cal gas check deep hollowpoint meant for varmint hunting. More on teh discussion thread here:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=125239
These cast around 150gr. You will have the option of 0.311" with a 0.300" bore riding section or 0.316" and 0.305". All gas check, 2 cavity brass molds by Mihec.

http://hgmould.gunloads.com/molds/ness.jpg
http://www.thehousebmx.com/arfcom/HG38-1.jpg

Here is some information on Cramer-type moulds for those of you who are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/v/sMXtwOqc1NY?fs=1&hl=en_US

And here's the mould maker's site, where you can learn a lot about the sort of work he does:

www.mp-molds.com

If you want on the list, either post your "masked" email address (e. g. homer underscore simpson at springfieldelectric dot com, what diameter you'd like, and whether you'd like that with Mihec's excellent handles (the mould also works with Lee 6-cavity handles).

Molds will cost $90 plus $20 shipping.

The moulds accept Lee 6-cavity handles, and Miha also makes super nice handles for $23 plus $7 shipping.

Here is the list. Please specify your diameter (o.316 or 0.311).

1.) eric AT thehousebmx DOT com (0.311")
2) selsnslim AT hotmail DOT com (0.311")
3) mpkunz (0.316")
4) sethdoty444 AT hotmail DOT com (0.311")
5) cesaryw AT yahoo DOT com (0.311") (add handles)
6) shawnsmc (0.311")
7) mopedmedic AT hotmail DOT com (0.311")
8) tony AT nozombies DOT com (0.311")
9) agrijag42 at mac dot com (0.311")
10) dromia (0.311")
11) dromia (0.316" plain base)
12) gelandangan at yahoo dot com (0.311" plain base)
13) mikepb42 (0.311")
14) flstf93james AT yahoo DOT com (0.311" plain base)
15) CANCELLED
16) be_barry at verizon dot net (0.311")
17) janhagemans at hetnet dot nl (0.311" plain base)
18) 5090shilohatgmaildotcom (0.311" x2, 0.311" PB x1)
19) BodyDoc447 at aol dot com (0.311")
20) mjones23 AT neb.rr DOT COM (0.311")
21) bert at hollywoodpyrotechnics dot com (0.311")

[L1A1Rocker]

There is no option for plain base????

[thehouseproduct]

I'll ask.

[mpkunz]

OK, list me for the 0.316"diameter mould. Thanks.

Mike

[william iorg]

I am not a brass mold fan but I'll go for this one - once in a lifetime and all that...

selsnslim AT hotmail DOT com (0.311") Now that there is an option, I want a gas check.

[edit] I forgot to mention no handles.

What alloy did you use to estimate your weight - just curious. Ness reported his weights as between 115- and 135-grains using linotype. It was felt the heavier bullets did not kill qicker than the lighter bullets.

[SethD]

.311, GC, no handles. sethdoty444 AT hotmail DOT com

[willie_pete]

I'm in for a .311 and handles

cesaryw AT yahoo DOT com

[shawnsmc]

Put me down for a .311 GC mold.

Thanks,
Shawn

[NYBushBro]

Please sign me up for a 2-cavity 2GC .311

(I'm wondering whether I can get a set of penta-pins in addition to the regular HP pins with this one... and the penta-pins needn't be as deep as the original pins. It would make this an interesting dual purpose mold.)

[Artful]

So this will be fixed HP pin not adjustable like the photo shows of original, or am I making a wrong assumption?

[NYBushBro]

PS: e-mail is mopedmedic AT hotmail DOT com (forgot to add the paypal address!)

[NYBushBro]

PPS: if adjustable pins are available, that might be good too.

[thehouseproduct]

So this will be fixed HP pin not adjustable like the photo shows of original, or am I making a wrong assumption?
Correct. We could go after more than one set of pins however.

[NoZombies]

I'll take one at .311 tony @ nozombies

[uscra112]

One for me at .311" over the drive bands. pway AY TEE outdrs D.O.T. net

Want to stipulate that the nose diameter must be .301" cast in linotype. Anything smaller won't shoot well in my barls.

Never participated in a Group Buy before - is upfront money a requirement? How is that managed and by whom?

[thehouseproduct]

One for me at .311" over the drive bands. pway AY TEE outdrs D.O.T. net

Want to stipulate that the nose diameter must be .301" cast in linotype. Anything smaller won't shoot well in my barls.

Never participated in a Group Buy before - is upfront money a requirement? How is that managed and by whom?
I'm sorry but we cannot change dimensions within a given diameter. The outside profile of the boolit must remain constant.

Mina contacts the people directly for payment.

[MikeS]

Ok, add me to the list, agrijag42 at mac dot com as to my mould, make it .311 and if there are options for other pins, put me down for them all.

I don't suppose we could make it into a 4 cavity mould, rather than a 2 cavity, could we?

[thehouseproduct]

What alloy did you use to estimate your weight - just curious. Ness reported his weights as between 115- and 135-grains using linotype. It was felt the heavier bullets did not kill qicker than the lighter bullets.
This is the actual weight of sample boolits bcall sent me. 152-153 with lube and check. I'm gonna try them with 2400 out of my 300 Whisper as soon as I get a hall pass.

[william iorg]

I have a 24” TC barrel in 300 Whisper. I had similar thoughts.
I will also try it out in the 30-06 and 308.
This year we are overrun with raccoons and this should be a good bullet for them through the winter. I read about this bullet in the old American Rifleman magazines but have seen nothing printed on it in the last 40 years.
I am looking forward to shooting this bullet in the water trough to see how quickly it comes apart. They key factors seem to be the hardness of the alloy and the depth of the hollow point. Velocity did not appear to have much bearing on the performance of the bullet. The quick twist of the Whisper should have a positive effect on the explosive tendencies of this bullet. It should make for some fun shooting this winter.

[L1A1Rocker]

Any word on plain base?

[thehouseproduct]

Not yet. I sent an email right after I posted.

[uscra112]

I'm sorry but we cannot change dimensions within a given diameter. The outside profile of the boolit must remain constant.

Mina contacts the people directly for payment.

Count me OUT, then.

Phil

[william iorg]

Studying the articles on the No Glance bullet F.C. Ness gave the 135-grain bullet an SD of .250 and a BC of .1087. Putting this bullet on the RCBS Load external ballistic calculator at a muzzle velocity of 1,900 fps and using a target circle of 6” with a sight in distance of 130-yards we have an estimated point blank range of 151-yards.
If the bullet will deliver the original design accuracy requirement of 2 ½” at 100-yards it should suit the majority on my small game needs.

[dromia]

I'll take one at .311" and one at .316".

[MikeS]

I just wanted to mention that in the other group buys for Mihec moulds, Miha told the honcho that he would prefer that handles were ordered directly from his website rather than added onto a GB mould order. You might want to check with Miha and see if he wants to do this one like that as well.

[Gelandangan]

What the heck..
Send one my way 0.311"
In plain base if possible.

gelandangan at yahoo dot com

can anyone give an ETA for this?

[Mikepb42]

I would like a .311 GC. No handles.

mike p b 42 at gmail cot com

[thehouseproduct]

Any word on plain base?
Finally heard back. Plain base IS an option.

[L1A1Rocker]

Finally heard back. Plain base IS an option.


Great! I'm in for a 311 please.

[MikeS]

I know this boolit was originally designed to be cast from linotype, but does anyone know how well it would shoot (and expand / break up) when cast from Lyman #2 alloy? To keep things simple for me I've been casting all my boolits (other than for BP) from Lyman #2 and I don't want to make this one an exception. Also, as plain based is an option, how well would this design work with a plain base rather than a GC base?

[L1A1Rocker]

Great! I'm in for a 311 please.

A 311 plain base that is. . .

flstf93james AT yahoo DOT com

Thanks for honchoing this buy.

[william iorg]

I know this boolit was originally designed to be cast from linotype, but does anyone know how well it would shoot (and expand / break up) when cast from Lyman #2 alloy? To keep things simple for me I've been casting all my boolits (other than for BP) from Lyman #2 and I don't want to make this one an exception. Also, as plain based is an option, how well would this design work with a plain base rather than a GC base?

I looked at some of the writing on this bullet. There not much discussion about alloys or hardness. F. C. Ness discusses the importance of high antimony content to promote brittleness of the bullets.
In the first article Ness comments on having the antimony content between 7 ½% and 10%. I don’t know how he kept this in solution.

EDIT] I got an e-mail about this post. I should have pointed out typical linotype runs 86% lead, 3% tin and 11% antimony. I must run my pot Hot and stir quite a bit to keep this well mixed. I assume others have the same problems with our small, 10- or 20-pound pots. I have thought of using a wood fire with electric blower to keep my alloy hot and well mixed.
Ness does not describe his casting set up. I’ll look around for pictures of what he was using. [EDIT

In the September 1940 article, Ness discusses an alloy of 2% tin and 6% antimony. In this article Ness is discussing his and others experimenting with reforming the nose of the bullet to extend its range but maintain the bullets no-glance capability.
It is going to be interesting to fiddle with alloys and see how this bullet shatters. The high antimony content allowed the bullet to shatter at rather low velocities on various type of ground.
As you know a typical wheel weight measures about 9bhn.
Lyman #2 alloy measures about 15bhn.
Typical linotype measures 22bhn.
Water quenching and oven heat-treating will harden the bullet but I don’t know what these will do about the bullets brittleness.
It appears to me Lyman #2 with added antimony would work fine. Time will tell.

[redneckdan]

IN

GC, no handles


dmhamilt at mtu dot edu

anyone got an overall length on this bugger?

[longbow]

I am interested in this one but I am a little concerned that the Cramer style HP pins will not release well. This is a long HP pin with not a lot of taper.

I do like Mihec moulds but I don't want boolits stuck to pins.

Has there been any testing? Can someone with an H&G mould cast some then remove boolit on pin to see how easily (or not) they come off the pin?

If it works, I am in for 0.316".

Longbow

[william iorg]

I am interested in this one but I am a little concerned that the Cramer style HP pins will not release well. This is a long HP pin with not a lot of taper.

I do like Mihec moulds but I don't want boolits stuck to pins.

Has there been any testing? Can someone with an H&G mould cast some then remove boolit on pin to see how easily (or not) they come off the pin?

If it works, I am in for 0.316".

Longbow


I waited overnight before I commented on this, to make sure I expressed my self logically.
I had already anticipated this mold would not work with the pins. I thought I would try it and if it does not work, I will have it modified to work with detachable pin, which have adequate handles.
F.C. Ness states in his articles he believes this bullet is best used in a single cavity mold. Time will tell.
I already had the problem of not wanting a brass mold and then the concern over the pins, I am sticking with the group buy as I want to try this bullet. At the price, if I have to modify the mold I will still be better off than the collector price asked for the originals.

[longbow]

william iorg:

There's a thought, using removable pins. The mould will be accurately milled for the Cramer pins so a pair of pins could be machined to fit if the boolits do stick on the Cramer pins. Might be crowded for two removable pins but should be workable.

I have a mould I can play with this weekend if I get time. I will make up a long pin like the Ness to see how it works.

I do like the brass moulds though, they cast beautifully. I have 3 now and am looking forward to more. What don't you like about brass?

Longbow

[william iorg]

Several reasons for not liking the brass mold but mostly two broken wrists, a few steel plates and some assorted screws. Even the aluminum molds get heavy. I have very nice 2 cavity, heavy bullet .32 caliber mold from NEI. This mold is iron and I can only use it for short periods. Good mold though.

I thought about two different length pins with one handle longer than the other to ease operation. Whatever it takes it should be an interesting bullet work with.

[MikeS]

I've seen H&G 2 cavity HP moulds where the handle on the pin is made from metal, and one is longer than the other. If somebody didn't like the cramer pins there's no reason they couldn't remove them, and just have a couple of conventional pins made without any other modifications to the mould. This way the original cramer style pins could always be replaced if/when wanted.

[longbow]

Yup, brass is heavy so not so good if you have wrist problems. It does cast well though.

I did make up a nose form and HP pin a little smaller diameter (should have scaled the photo first) but about the same taper and same length, for one of my push out moulds.

I had to help the boolits off the pin. They didn't stick tight but they weren't about to drop off either.

I will try to make up another HP pin a little larger diameter based off scaling dimensions from the photo (unless someone can get me the pin diameter) and try again.

I am thinking that this is not a good design for the Cramer pins and that manual pull out pins will be needed.

My boolits came out with 0.303" nose, 0.314" body and 0.875" long. The HP pin was made from a piece of #10-24 threaded rod tapered from thread root to pointed tip so slightly smaller overall than the Ness pin in the photo but almost to the boolit base in length. The boolits cast from range scrap weigh 150 grs.

With a larger pin they should loose 5 to 10 grs.

I might get a chance to shoot some next weekend. While the nose wall is a bit thicker they should give similar performance to the Ness boolit cast from wheelweights.

Longbow

[william iorg]

I still want the mold. I’ll just make up a set of pins. I don’t know if Mehec makes molds with detachable pins. I have never seen one of his molds.

[longbow]

Miha's moulds are works of art! Perfectly machined and cast perfectly as well.

I do not know if he makes detachable pin moulds and I guess that is a decision for the group buy.

I just posted my findings so far with a long tapered pin and found that the boolits stuck requiring some pull to release.

I will try to get another pin made as after scaling the drawings it looks like mine is noticeably smaller but I also took it to a fine point so taper will be similar.

Longbow

[william iorg]

Whatever the group decides, I'm in.

[thehouseproduct]

IN

GC, no handles


dmhamilt at mtu dot edu

anyone got an overall length on this bugger?
0.871" as designed with no GC.

[Bill*B]

One .311/.300 GC.

be_barry at verizon dot net

[mpkunz]

Do we have enough yet ? When do these get cut ? Dang, I'm salivating already.

[thehouseproduct]

Do we have enough yet ? When do these get cut ? Dang, I'm salivating already.
You and me both. Mihec doesn't seem to have a posted schedule like NOE does. I'll see if I can find out.

[Gelandangan]

Bump!

Before this thread disappeared into oblivion..

Are we there yet?

[thehouseproduct]

We have enough people. I don't know how mihec's build schedule works. NOE publishes his.

[william iorg]

What did he decide about the pins?

[thehouseproduct]

What did he decide about the pins?
He did not feel it would be an issue. He said he would tune the taper and length until they drop easily.

[william iorg]

Good enough for me.

[thehouseproduct]

So Miha explained that the buy should be open for 14 days and then closed. Since it has been open for much longer already, I will close this on October 31st, I will notify Miha and he will make a call for payment. I'll keep everyone up to date on production information as I get it.

[NYBushBro]

Good... now that I 'know the ropes' about paypal payment, it will give me a tentative deadline for sending money. Looking forward to THIS mold.

[rockrat]

How does Miha usually want payment? Don't have a paypal account and don't want one

Thanks

[MikeS]

rockrat: Miha uses PayPal as it's the easiest way for him to get money from all around the world. The thing that most folks don't realize is that you don't need a PayPal account to be able to send money, you can send money from your credit card as a PayPal 'guest', and doing it that way PayPal is no different than any other credit card processing company that companies use to process their credit card sales. You do need a PayPal account to GET money from somebody else, but not to send it.

[Aaron]

Delete

[rxp46]

Put me on the list for PB .311 with all the pins

janhagemans at hetnet dot nl

gr jan.

[NYBushBro]

Would the plain base of this bullet, combined with the cavernous (ie: thin) base portion (between HP cavity and GC area) be strong enough to withstand the chamber pressure of a mid-range 30-06 (or 30-30, for that matter) load?

I'm wondering whether Ness included the GC to help stiffen this area of a bullet which otherwise looks like a tin can with one end cut out of it.

Thoughts?

[Aaron]

Delete

[Aaron]

Sorry, I need to clarify my order(s). I would like two molds for myself, one .311 GC and one .311 PB. I would like a third mold, .311 GC that I will pay for with my Paypal acct for Rockrat. I am hoping we can ship straight him, though. Please disregard my other posts.

Thanks

Aaron

5090shilohatgmaildotcom

[thehouseproduct]

Ok team, this buy is closed, I will be sending the list to Miha. The handful of guys that didnt provide emails, I assume he will PM you.

[Gelandangan]

[smilie=w:
:awesome::Luvcastboolits:

I can't wait...
I can't wait...
:veryconfu:veryconfu

[dromia]

OOPs!

My email is: adam at pukkabundhooks dot com

[BarryinIN]

Edit- Oops, I now see it's closed. Never mind.
Maybe I'll catch it next time.

[thehouseproduct]

Can we get this moved to the closed buy section?

[dromia]

Done.

[bowfin]

Dang, I thought I was in on this. :violin:

Note to self: Make a note to self on mould group buys.

Mihec, if you are reading this, make extras!

[Gelandangan]

Um..
Anyone got the email yet?

[thehouseproduct]

Um..
Anyone got the email yet?
I got this from Miha on November 9.


Hi,

sorrry for late reply.
Thanx for the list. You can seat back now and wait ;))

I will send e-mails when molds are finished

Regards

Miha

[NYBushBro]

Any news from Miha on this one (ie: anyone get payment notices yet)?

I'm looking forward to this!

[thehouseproduct]

Nothing yet. I'm excited for this one.

[NYBushBro]

Any idea on the ETA of these molds? Looking forward to this one.

[NYBushBro]

NOTE: Can I get a set of MIHEC handles shipped with this mold? If so, tell me how much extra.

Thanks.

[william iorg]

I too am excited and anxious.
I have studied the articles by F. C. Ness and others with these being the important ones.
“A Glance Proof Lead Allow Bullet” American Rifleman June 1935.
“Sure Kills and No Ricochets” American Rifleman August 1936.
“An Altered N.R.A. - Hensley Bullet” American Rifleman June 1937.
“A Non-Ricocheting Cast Bullets” by Raymond Wagner American Rifleman August 1937.
“Jacketed Bullet Substitutes” American Rifleman September 1941.

This last article is fascinating as it describes the experiments of several other shooters - all confirmed by F. C. Ness and others of the N.R.A. - in reforming the bullet nose to round nose and spitzer contours by the use of nose forming dies. The reformed bullets were found to be at least as accurate as then current service ammunition in the same rifles without the loss of the No-Glance, shattering qualities of the bullets. These reformed bullets were driven to velocites above 2,000 fps and while some nose configurations were finicky with regard to accuracy, all were made to shoot well.
I am looking forward to shooting this bullet in the 308 Winchester and the 30-06 Springfield and comparing results with others. This should be a very interesting bullet to shoot.

[MikeS]

Several reasons for not liking the brass mold but mostly two broken wrists, a few steel plates and some assorted screws. Even the aluminum molds get heavy. I have very nice 2 cavity, heavy bullet .32 caliber mold from NEI. This mold is iron and I can only use it for short periods. Good mold though.

I thought about two different length pins with one handle longer than the other to ease operation. Whatever it takes it should be an interesting bullet work with.

I'm curious, do you use a ladle, or a bottom pour pot? If using a bottom pour pot, using a mould guide, and then putting down the mould while waiting for the sprue to solidify will really help make the heavier moulds more usable. The heaviest mould I have is a SAECO 8 cavity iron mould, and by using the mould guide, and putting the mould down on the table both while waiting for the sprue to harden, and while I open the mould makes even the heaviest of moulds usable for longer casting sessions.

If using a ladle, I would think that by using the locking handles (that are sold by the same person that makes the cabine tree lead hardness tester), that you could actually pour the lead into the mould while the mould is sitting on a table, rather than having to hold it, again making it much easier to use a heavy mould for longer casting sessions. I've never tried this myself, but I might go ahead an buy a set of the locking handles for just this purpose. Of course having a tabletop that's resistant to heat is something that's needed to be able to put a hot mould down on it!

[georgewxxx]

[QUOTE
The reformed bullets were found to be at least as accurate as then current service ammunition in the same rifles without the loss of the No-Glance, shattering qualities of the bullets. These reformed bullets were driven to velocities above 2,000 fps and while some nose configurations were finicky with regard to accuracy, all were made to shoot well.
QUOTE]

It's been some time since I tried to reshape the nose on mine using several different nose punches in the sizing die, and it's hard to keep records of each trial, but shooting that boolit as it drops from the mould is hard to beat for accuracy up to 100yds. Beagle & I both concur that it's a winner for it's intended purpose. Very seldom are you going to shoot varmints more than that with cast. If you look at my trials with both high velocity and at 30-30Win speeds you'll find the front portion shears off way down to 1400fps...
http://www.sodcity.com/gallery2/view_album.php?set_albumName=Moulds-etc

[william iorg]

I am a dip caster using a Lyman Magdipper pot. I am able to rest the tip of the mold on the edge of the pot for some relief.

As far as my shots at critters, the vast majority of my shots are well under 75 yards. My primary interest in this mold is to shoot as cast but I may try to reform a few for fun.

I had not considered using the bullet in an M-1! I intend to shoot it in my 2-groove Springfield. I’ll try to get the articles you don’t have on your site up on photo bucket.

[Bodydoc447]

Any chance for a few extras being cut? I was fascinated to read some of the articles you posted. Is there any chance of them being posted as pdf formats?

Thanks for posting them!

Doc

[MiHec]

Any chance for a few extras being cut? I was fascinated to read some of the articles you posted. Is there any chance of them being posted as pdf formats?

Thanks for posting them!

Doc

I all ways cut some extras.

[maroontoad]

Hi,

If there is one available or someone drops out, I'd appreciate the opportunity to purchase one.

Regards

Snow.

[georgewxxx]

I've added a couple more Ness #38 articles to my web pages that william iorg sent me for you guys to drool over, plus I set them up in chronological order... http://www.sodcity.com/gallery2/view_album.php?set_albumName=Moulds-etc

Geo.

[L1A1Rocker]

I've added a couple more Ness #38 articles to my web pages that william iorg sent me for you guys to drool over, plus I set them up in chronological order... http://www.sodcity.com/gallery2/view_album.php?set_albumName=Moulds-etc

Geo.

Darn, I had forgotten about this group buy. Looking forward to the invoice. . . then the mold.

Thanks for all those articles. Amazing how what is old, is new again, thanks to Miha.

[william iorg]

thanks to Miha.

Yes! I never thought I would have this mold.

Good job georgewxxx they are very readable.

[longbow]

An excellent read! Thanks to both georgewxxx and william iorg.

I am not in the group buy but did make a "clone" like single cavity mould. Unfortunately, I have as yet to test out the boolits. I hope to get to it shortly now that our nasty winter is about over. I have some cast, lubed and loaded just waiting for me.

On the upside, I had doubts that cast boolits would drop off that long HP pin but my mould works just fine so you guys should be good to go with MIHEC quality.

I will be looking forward to reports on terminal results with this one.

Longbow

[thehouseproduct]

Got this from Miha last night.

Hi,

I will machine them along 22Nato molds (same blocks)
Only problem is I can only do .311 diam. for 316 cal I need different cherry. (I see only 2 molds in .316).

This will be somewhere in May.

Kind regards

Miha

[dromia]

Well that is a real disappointment for me. :cry:

Thank you for the PM Houseproduct.

[MiHec]

Got this from Miha last night.

...But I can do Plain base in .316 cal? Will this be O.K.?

[bowfin]

I would take one in .311"/.300" if a place opens up in the list.

[dromia]

I would have preferred the gas check version but will take a plain base .316" instead if you cannot do a gas check one.

[Bert2368]

I am in for a .311 with gas check. bert (at) hollywoodpyrotechnics (dot) com

(edit) I see it is allready closed??? Put me down for one of the extras if possible.

[rxp46]

In post 57 i wrote Plain Base but on the list there's no PB.
is that a problem ?
Sorry for my late reaction...

gr jan.

[Gelandangan]

+1
On post #26 I also asked for PB, but in the list mine is not PB.
I suppose no big deal here, Miha would most likely ask for a confirmation when he invoices.

[NYBushBro]

Looking forward to seeing this one... it's almost woodchuck season (and one has built a labyrinth of tunnels under the garden - you never know where he will surface NEXT.)

[redneckdan]

I'm going to have to bail out of this one. Not really in the budget at this time. I am number 15 on the first posting list.

[Bert2368]

Hey Dan, I would be happy to take yours...

I've got 3 other Mihec moulds. Good tools.

[thehouseproduct]

Updated list and emailed to Miha. Hoping he can adjust.

[bowfin]

bowfin:

mjones23ATneb.rrDOTCOM

[georgewxxx]

While you buyers are waiting for your mould to show up, I want to let you know you'll need to choose your sizing nose punch carefully. Some will flair out the nose so bad they'll not likely enter the chamber when seated in the case. On the other hand, one with too much slope inward will close end up more than you want if you use too much pressure on the sizer handle. I ended up using a .38 S&W case pushed over a .30 nose punch to get a nice flat surface to work with. 99% of my "Nessie" boolits are made from straight wheel weights and are softer than you might suspect in those soft side walls. Even Linotype can be super pliable as are the thin spacer strips that were use to set up type machines that I have from an old stash I purchased years ago.

http://www.sodcity.com/gallery2/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=Moulds-etc&id=DSCF0919

Another issue is boolit slump when fired. if you look at those pictures I took of Nessie fired in a .30-30 at 1400fps, you can see the rifling on the broken sidewalls. I feel that the slump is on reason for the boolit being so accurate. Too hard of a lead mix and it might change the character of intended use and not be quite as accurate. You'll all have a lot of fun experimenting I'm sure.

[MiHec]

I will machine top punches, so they will fit in HP. Top punches are RCBS/ Lymann type.
So don't worry.....

[IIJSavoy]

Add me to the list....

iijsep at gmail dot com 2C, GC, 0.311

Let's see how this shoots out of my .308 handi hb...

Thanks,

[rockrat]

Is it too late. I thought I was on the list. Haven't checked it in quite a while and just noticed I am not there.

PapaAlphaVictorPapa@montrose.net Use the capital letters in the first part.


.311"

[MiHec]

Molds are finished. I just need to pack them.
PayPals will be out in 2 days.

[william iorg]

Well, I'm ready!

Thanks again for agreeing to make this one, and to everyone involved. I didnt think I would ever have this mold.

[Bert2368]

Whoo hoo!

I have varmints to remove... This will be fun.

[Gelandangan]

[smilie=w:

Great news indeed!!

[Gelandangan]

Um, has anyone get the email yet?
I am worried if the email got into my SPAM box and got accidentally deleted ..

[Bert2368]

Not yet-

[MiHec]

PAYPALS are out!
I'm missing some e-mails.....Please PM me if you missing Paypal request

[willie_pete]

I got my PayPal in this morning. How will these ship? Thanks,

WP

[william iorg]

Well, now it is real, I just paid for it!

[Bodydoc447]

I received and paid my invoice this morning. I am looking forward to using this bullet to smite some gophers.

Doc

[Bert2368]

Paid up! Watching the mail box...

[dromia]

PM sent Miha.

[L1A1Rocker]

Sorry I was a day late, PayPal was out a few hours ago. This is going to be a very interesting bullet to play with.

[shawnsmc]

I sent a pm but here is my email: shawn smc at hot mail dot com

[Greg]

Miha-


paypal sent this morning

thanks for making these moulds, this should prove interesting in several .30 cal weapons.

[dromia]

Invoice paid.

[shawnsmc]

Paid my invoice today also.

[Gelandangan]

Paid :)
I am soooo excited :)

[thehouseproduct]

Paid :)
I am soooo excited :)
Me too. I'm out of the country for two weeks. Sad it will sit here for a week without me.

[NYBushBro]

Paypal invoice paid a day or two ago... I didn't include any note with the payment, but I figure that Miha will know that it's for this mold.

[thehouseproduct]

My wife just told me that my mold showed up. .........And I'm in China. Just my luck. All these months waiting and it shows up the day I leave for China. :-(

[Gelandangan]

WOOHOOO... I GOT MINE!!!

Just in time for the weekend too..

[willie_pete]

I haven't got mine yet. How are these coming; USPS, UPS, FedEx or other ??
Thanks,

WP

[L1A1Rocker]

I haven't got mine yet. How are these coming; USPS, UPS, FedEx or other ??
Thanks,

WP

Haven't received this one yet either however, the last six from Miha have come USPS with delivery signature required.

[Gelandangan]

Miha send them out from Europe, by Post.
Surprising how fast they get here considering that the distance from Europe to Australia is way more than the distance from US.

Will fire up the pot this afternoon... Oh Happeee Daaaeee...

[william iorg]

Got the mold today, it is a very fine mold. I am looking forward to heating it up.

Thanks again for this very interesting bullet in a mold of the highest quality.

[Bodydoc447]

Mine made it today, as well. A very fine mould and I am looking forward to casting a few this weekend if all goes well. Thanks to all who made this happen.

Doc

[Greg]

I received my mould with yesterday’s mail. It is beautiful !

a good scrubbing with dish soap and hot water was made.

This morning the weather was great for casting, out of wheel weights I got a .312 diameter boolit that weighs 144 grains sized and lubed.

Miha you done good !!

[Blammer]

this don't mean a thing with out pictures! :)

[thehouseproduct]

I received my mould with yesterday’s mail. It is beautiful !

a good scrubbing with dish soap and hot water was made.

This morning the weather was great for casting, out of wheel weights I got a .312 diameter boolit that weighs 144 grains sized and lubed.

Miha you done good !!
What did the nose measure?

[Greg]

Uh, .303…


I didn’t even think to measure the diameter of the nose, until thehouseproduct asked.

anyway, I had decided to try the ‘Ness Safety Bullet’ in my H&R 30-30 singleshot.

using Lyman dies (#465 seating stem) I seated the boolits with the same setting that I use to seat the 311-155 GC group buy boolit to 2.550" oal, it seated the ‘Ness Safety Bullet’ to an oal of 2.50". which is right at the crimp grove, although I do not crimp for this singleshot.

with the ‘Ness Safety Bullet’ seated to 2.50", I tried it in the chamber of my Handi Rifle. it engraves into the lands about 5/64"- depth of maybe .0005" best that I could measure the bore is at .302" on this H&R. still, I had to utilize a range rod to pop the dummy round out as the ejector would not.

good Lord willing, I want to put these on paper Friday


P.S. sorry Darryl, a decent camera is about the same price as a group buy mould
plus, it’s something else that I would have to learn

[thehouseproduct]

Uh, .303…


I didn’t even think to measure the diameter of the nose, until thehouseproduct asked.

That's hugely disappointing. I am getting kind of tired of noses being over sized on all the molds I've picked up lately. I REALLY don't want to start nose sizing bullets.

[MiHec]

My test mold was dropping .311 at bands and .3005 - .301 at the nose.
Alloy was WW. HP nose. (with solid it can be a bit different diam.)

Alloy temp 410 deg. C.

Play with temp of alloy and the mold and I'm sure you will get right result.

[thehouseproduct]

Can someone help me get my mold tuned up? The pins bind up pretty bad on one cavity and the hollow point won't seat on the other. I don't want to break out any tools yet until I hear about others experiences. Do I start deburring things?

[willie_pete]

Mine were stiff ( but they both seated ). I worked them until they loosened up.

WP

[MiHec]

Can someone help me get my mold tuned up? The pins bind up pretty bad on one cavity and the hollow point won't seat on the other. I don't want to break out any tools yet until I hear about others experiences. Do I start deburring things?

Lube the pins and preheat the mold. Give it some few dry runs and pins will seat in.

[Greg]

I had a chance to get to the range on Friday, with the Ness safety Bullet…

shot my H&R 30-30 handi-rifle with 1¾-5X scope at 50 yards.

cast of air cooled wheel weights, gave boolits that just engraved the lands in this barrel. thumb seated just snug enough that the ejector would not extract a loaded round.

144 grain hollow point sized to .311; Winchester brass; CCI 200 primers; 2.497" oal

IMR 4064 will produce groups in the ½-1" range

I must have mis-read the scale, but I found out how much XMR 5744 it takes to open groups up to @ 3"

no leading, nice round holes and groups.

[L1A1Rocker]

Can someone help me get my mold tuned up? The pins bind up pretty bad on one cavity and the hollow point won't seat on the other. I don't want to break out any tools yet until I hear about others experiences. Do I start deburring things?

In addition to what was already suggested. Loosen the guide pins that are screwed into the hollow point pin by 1/2 turn. This allows the pins to "float" a bit.

[thehouseproduct]

Got the mold heated and it all lines up now. Just need to find time to get some cast up.

[longbow]

Greg:

I have to ask ~ what's up with "...nice round holes and groups." That boolit was designed to blow up milk jugs full of water, ballistic gelatin and critters.

It's nice that it shot well but how on earth did you not blow something up?

Just curious.

Seriously though I am glad it is shooting well for you.

Longbow

[Greg]

well...

I wanted to see if I could keep it on paper first and where it hit compared to the cross hairs, ect. don't forget drop

next, is to head to the bean fields and see some red mist. early beans are approximately 3" tall around here and the wheat is coming out now, so second crop beans will be going in, also.


Blammer-

how many empty gas check bags do I need to send you for a discount coupon good for a camera ??

[NoZombies]

My mold is here, and it looks great! too bad I wont get to use it for a while...

Thanks for putting this buy together "thehouseproduct"!

[L1A1Rocker]

What are Ya'll running for allow? I was thinking about Lyman #2 or straight WW plus 2% tin.

[L1A1Rocker]

Well, nobody chimmed in on what alloy they're using so I've decided. I'm going to try straight COWWs with 1% tin. If I have problems with fill out I'll bump it up to 2%.

Yesterday I cleaned up the mold and polished the heck out of the pins and drained the pot. After lunch I'll clean out the pot and see how it goes.

Do ya'll think I should polish the top punch too?

[thehouseproduct]

I'm going to use the same. God only knows when.

[L1A1Rocker]

I really love Miha's molds!!!

Had some time issues as the chickens decided to do some scratching in some potted plants. Not much left, I was on my hands and knees looking for anything on the ground that still had roots left. I think they were looking for cool damp dirt to get down into. I had sprayed the ground under the trees to help keep them cool, but all the water had evaporated. Hopefully the root hormone and "super water" I make for transplants will pull them through.

Back to the topic: My alloy is COWW plus 1% tin for fill out. I'm also starting to suspect that my thermometer may be showing my melt as 30-50 degrees cooler than it really is.

Started running the melt at 750 (by my thermometer, but as mentioned the melt may actually be only 700) and the hot plate turned up to high. Very poor fillout, one large wrinkle, and I had to pull one of the bullets off with pliers. (oh, I did polish the heck out of my pins but did not add any kind of release agent.)

Put the mold back on the hot plate sprue side down and cranked up the heat a bit. Now at just under 800 I had a bit less than full fillout, one big wrinkle and I had to pull one bullet off with pliers. Tried again, and again, and one more time. . . It worked itself out! I still had to beat the mold handle a few good hard wacks to get one stuborn bullet to come loose for a while but that too finally worked itself out.

By the 10th - 15th cast or so, the bullets were beautiful and dropping free on their own. I'd give a 4-5 count (adjusted as needed), cut the sprue, flip, open, bump the pins out, and wait 1-2 seconds and the bullets just dropped off.

I did notice that the bullets had a bit of a flare at the hollow point end. The bore rider section was around .302 but right at the end it was flared out to .3035. I don't think this will be an issue though.

Anyhow, that's what I've got so far. . .

On edit: I've got a ton of Speed Green, will that work for this application or do I need a different lube? (How fast can you push speed green anyhow?)

[migtek02]

Hi all sorry to bring up an old thread but am looking to buy a 300Blk boolit mold. are there any updates to this thread anyone want to share? thanks

[thehouseproduct]

I plan on using this in a 300blk one day. But in a bolt gun only, these wouldn't feed in an AR.

[Lefty SRH]

Can someone tell me what the solid version weighs? Is this a good candidate for the .308 win?

[MiHec]

Can someone tell me what the solid version weighs? Is this a good candidate for the .308 win?

It is 170 grain (not counting gas check and lube)