There is no "I'll Take It" Rule

[mallc]

Received the following in response to my question to admin on the so called "I'll take it" rule. Thanks for looking. Scott
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I hate to say it, but there's really no hard and fast rule on this. Basically the decision is up to the seller and how he wants to have it done, and the seller should probably post how he is going to do it, but like I say it's up to the seller and we have no set rules on this.

Willy Snyder
Owner / Gun Loads
P.O. Box 2732
Pocatello, ID 83206
www.GunLoads.com
Ceo@GunLoads.com

[lkydvl]

we already knew that...whats the problem?

[mallc]

Apparently not everyone does.

Lost a good buy because because someone evoked the "I'll take it" rule and someone else backed him up. Post appears to have been taken down since I asked the question and the admin were right in removing it since that deal is done.

I've had this happen a couple of times here and I hoping to get something in the swap rules to refer to in the future.

Gun probably didn't shoot straight anyway....;)

Scott

[deltaenterprizes]

I have lost out on 2 items due to this nonsense. I feel like I am in kindergarten, first response should get the item regardless of the order of PM or forum post.

[Throckmorton]

"pm sent" or a queston about the item should not overrule an 'I'll take it",and should probably be a rule,IMHO

[Yance]

Any of us who hang out here have lost some, but we've won some too. the biggest "win" is being able to hang out with other folks who love to cast and shoot lead boolits, sharing information and lessons learned about dealing with our favorite "precious metal".

Unlike a flea market when someone lists something of interest, especially at what we consider a really good price, we let the seller and the rest of the list know we want it by posting an "I'll take it" to the thread and the deal is done. I've missed deals simply because I wanted more details about the item and PM'd the seller, only to have someone else post "I'll take it" to the thread. Same thing as finding a "deal" at a gun show and telling the seller "Let me think about it" and as soon as you lay it down someone else picks it up and pays the man.

So Scott, how about kicking off a new thread and tell us how your most recent range trip went and how those cast boolits did for you. Rifle or pistol? Me, I'm getting ready to send off a Garand barrel to be rebored for .35 Whelen. Got a nice 225 gr .360 dia GB mould that should do pretty good. Should be a pretty cool Garand.

[Bob Krack]

The only comment I have in this thread is:

When I post a "Guess what it is and you got it" does not apply to maybe 4 members here.

Otherwise an 'll take it" trumps all - even friendship. Common etiquette.

Bob

[mallc]

I told the seller I'd take it at full price but did not post I'll take in the forum. The seller acknowledged my disappointment but said he was honoring the forum rules and took the first to post "I'll take it" even though that was not a condition of his offer to sell.

Like I said no harm, no foul on that deal. I'm just hoping to avoid the same in the future.

Scott

[lkydvl]

as the no rule "rule" states...state it the way YOU want it handled in your sale ad. If the seller doesn't state any rules, give the "I'll take it" and ask for a clarification on the seller's rules.

[fatnhappy]

other than keeping shills, dirtbag cheats and ebay spammers out, I'm pretty sure admin doesn't have (or want) anything to do with private sales in this forum. It's the sellers perogative to determine the manner in which he or she chooses to dispose of their personal property.

Does anybody expect admin to play referee?
How well received do you think an admin fiat would be?

Interfering in private sales here would just be a losing proposition for the admin and mods. I don't envy them one bit.

[stubshaft]

I've also lost a couple of good buys while waiting for an answer to a PM. Having said that I understand that it was because I didn't commit by indicating "I'll take it". Like Bob said it is a form of etiquette on certain sites. When selling I try to spell out the parameters by stating "I'll take it followed by PM gets it".

[mallc]

Wish I did cast well enough to to build boolits for my Garand. I see the photos of what some of you guys cast and it's like looking at a spaceship! From a nooby it's a LOT harder than it looks.

That said fair is fair and the rules ought to be the same for everyone.

Scott

[deltaenterprizes]

The PM stated it was sold and "I'll take it " was posted after. Seller claimed he was harrassed by moderators in the past over the "I'll take it " rule that does not exist.
The other time I posted "I'll take it " but told PM beat me.

[bearcove]

Generally I'll take it does it. BUT, If someone put 5 things out there that are related and you get a cherry picker and an I'll take the lot, I will sell things as I see fit. The seller is the owner of the property until an agreement is made by both parties. AND until payment is made.

Many other scenarios but the seller decides.

Rod

[maglvr]

"pm sent" or a queston about the item should not overrule an 'i'll take it",and should probably be a rule,imho

+1!!!

[waksupi]

other than keeping shills, dirtbag cheats and ebay spammers out, I'm pretty sure admin doesn't have (or want) anything to do with private sales in this forum. It's the sellers perogative to determine the manner in which he or she chooses to dispose of their personal property.

Does anybody expect admin to play referee?
How well received do you think an admin fiat would be?

Interfering in private sales here would just be a losing proposition for the admin and mods. I don't envy them one bit.

That pretty much covers it.

[bearcove]

YES SIR! It does.

[Dschuttig]

Honestly, How hard is it really to post "i'll take it"? That way everyone can see what you have gotten and know what is avail and what is not. What exactly does "p.m. sent" mean? Maybe you just bought what I wanted, or maybe you wanted to thank the seller for meeting you out for coffee last week? You know why I don't know? Becouse I can't read your P.M.'s!

[byronw999]

General courtesy on ALL decent for sale forums is a PUBLIC I'll take it followed by an PM to the seller... Your 1st responce to the OPs post could have been anything...If I remember right your reply was "Serious inquiry Sent" or something close to that..

If you want something say you'll take it right up front in the public post, then there is no confusion

[bearcove]

Nothing matters until the seller makes an agreement with a buyer.

Then I post its sold.

Until then its just conversation.

[fryboy]

i always post an " i'll take it " before i send the pm ( i type too slow :P ) granted common courtesy much like common sense isnt always prevalent but for the most part IMHO at least 98% of the fellows here abide by the unsaid ( and umm non-existant ) rule , i cant get mad over something that isnt mine yet no matter how much i want it or the deal ( sometimes you're the windshield sometimes you're the bug ) thankfully i havent had a bad deal yet ( that i'm aware of ) and for that you guys have my humble thanx and respect ( and ummm good luck in all of our future deals and dealings !!! )

[xbeeman412]

I will more than likely honor a PM saying I will take it that just a i will take posted. I read My pms first so would not see a post before the PM.

Just try to put Your self in the sellers position or buyer if U are selling. Good attitude should rule and not worry if U loose either as a buyer or seller.

Just an ole mans opinion

[bowfin]

the biggest "win" is being able to hang out with other folks who love to cast and shoot lead boolits, sharing information and lessons learned about dealing with our favorite "precious metal".

WELL SAID!!

The information and encouragement are the most valuable items on this forum, and both are available in endless supply. None of us should overlook what we are lucky to havehave and focus on what we don't get.

"I'll take it." means that there will be no negotiations, no line of questions that leads to nowhere, no nitpicking, no quibbling, no ambiguity, no waiting.

As for rules telling someone else how they can or cannot dispose of their personal property, I would be loathe to tell someone else how they can or can't. No one should have a claim on someone else's property until that person agrees.

[myg30]

At least the people here are selling here only, and NOT on other forums at the same time.
Another forum almost NEVER has posts and the items are sold. You dont know to who or where it was sold just have to take the word of the seller. I think the I'll take it followed by pm is a fair way to go. I type slow too and missed some !

We all play well here and thats the way it should be since we all here for the same reasons !
Lots of great guys with lots of knowledge to share with all of us and its worth it to me, even if I get let down on a missed sale from time to time.
Beats the heck out of Flee bay any day !!!


Just me .02 worth,

Mike

[Nueces]

Many, if not most, offers to sell an item here end with the seller's rule for the day, such as "first 'I'll take it' on this thread gets the item." Clear enough. But, as has been brought out, there is no firm rule. The seller makes the rule in each case. Sometimes they are clear about it.

In the post that gave rise to this issue, the seller ended with something like "PM with interest or questions." Now, that was an invitation to misunderstanding, as it appeared to make a PM the preferred way to communicate an offer to buy. A buyer's good faith attempt to honor what anyone could have thought were the seller's wishes ended with the seller falling back on an unstated understanding, with confusion having resulted from his own wording.

So, it's not 'hard' to post an "I'll take it," but it was hard to understand the seller's intent here. And there has been a lot of unthinking judgmental BS about it without acknowledgement of this simple fact.

It is up to each seller to make clear his intent on how to proceed with a sale. Or, as he may prefer, to deal with the fallout resulting from a lack of clarity.

Personally, when I next intend to jump on an item for sale, rather than exhaustively research forum history on SOP, I will post on the thread, send a PM and pop smoke. Jeez.

Mark

[NWFLYJ]

and pop smoke. Jeez.

Mark

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Rico1950]

If I remember right, the seller said send a PM.

[Catshooter]

mallc,

Your location isn't posted. If you live near the Clearwater Fl area I will help you out with learning how to cast. I've done it once or twice.

Welcome to the forum by the way.


Cat

[mtgrs737]

mallc,

Your location isn't posted. If you live near the Clearwater Fl area I will help you out with learning how to cast. I've done it once or twice.

Welcome to the forum by the way.


Cat

Now that is what we here are all about! Kudos Cat! :drinks:

[tonyb]

Somebody needs a hug.:2 drunk buddies:[smilie=l:

[felix]

It is common sense, to me anyway, that the offer to sell an item should request PM bids on the item, and only PM bids. Why? Nobody needs to know what the highest offer is while the bidding is going on. So, a PM should include an offer, or information request, or both if specific specs are required by the buyer.. The price submitted by the buyer should INCLUDE all transportation costs. This will get the best price for the item, and the buyer knows that is the top dollar he will spend for that item. No fuss, no bother, and no one gets upset. If I was the moderator of this board, that would be the ONLY sales method allowed. ... felix

[RBak]

Now, how about this thingy about me always being five to six minutes late on items that I simply can't live without? What are we going to do about that? :???:

Since it seems I'm always either a day late or a dollar short on some of the best deals on earth, can the powers that be come up with a "woe is me" rule?

Just kidding, of course!

The most honest people on this earth frequent this forum with items they no longer need or want, and I do feel very fortunate to call many of them friend. I've been buying on this forum since ol' Shep was just a pup and I have yet to have a problem.
Still yet, I do understand the PM Sent vs the I'll take it conundrum. Like several others have stated, one should trump the other in order to preserve a fair and level playing field, and it should be carved in stone.

Just my thoughts, Russ

[canyon-ghost]

If you really just bought it, there's no mistaking "I'll take it, PM sent" for anything else. Just sending a PM is the same as asking for photos or info. Say, I'll take it, PM sent means your address is following and you want the sellers address as well. I figure that's about as final as it gets.

I understand if the PM is the transaction but, post it on open forum. If you want it, say so! And, I do understand some folks privacy concerns. Now, being realistic, it isn't the price of your car, your house or anything major, it's a simple hobby related purchase. If you really want it, then say "I'll take it, pm sent" and send a pm immediately after posting. If you miss out because someone is a little faster, well, it was a good item and you haven't lost much.

It's not something a person should lose their composure about, or get obsessed with. Remember, it's just a very good hobby but, that's all.

[imashooter2]

Unless the seller states to post in the thread, PM is perfectly legitimate. No reason to even post "PM sent." First I'll take it via any means should get the item. The general board public does not need to know other people's business.

[shotman]

Thats why to keep list of the bad sellers . have about 12 on list now .

[Suo Gan]

Sometimes things are not meant to be. If you did not get an object of your affection maybe you were not meant to have it or someone else 'needed' it more. You can't fight things, it is what it is and if you pitch a stink you will be the only one looking like a jerk. Perhaps it is your wifes prayers are being answered :)? Who knows?

You'll forget about the smokin deal in a couple days and won't even have the foggiest idea what the heck you wanted in a year. Don't sweat the small stuff.

It is a neat thing for us here. We start spray painting and they will shut down the skate park...

[DCP]

With all do respect to all.
1. Why was the original thread removed? ( there are other posts that are sold that are still listed.)
It was removed very quickly.
It very hard to figure out out whats going on without all the facts.

2. Is this thread in the correct place. It will be delete in at least 30 days, I believe. Nothing for sale either.

3. If its going to be the seller who makes the decision on who the winner is. Not everyone is going to be happy. :lovebooli:cast_boolits:

4. This gun was so under priced, I couldn't jump.



Apparently not everyone does.

Lost a good buy because because someone evoked the "I'll take it" rule and someone else backed him up. Post appears to have been taken down since I asked the question and the admin were right in removing it since that deal is done.

I've had this happen a couple of times here and I hoping to get something in the swap rules to refer to in the future.

Gun probably didn't shoot straight anyway....;)

Scott

[Flash]

I don't see any specific policy being implemented about this. The reply of "PM Sent", to an add could mean a wide range of things but here, it means if it's posted before you, forget trying to buy the item. The first "I'll take it" means nothing to many folks, that's what makes this a cult, instead of a classified forum.

[4719dave]

Yes. there should be a @#$%^ RULE !! Unfortunately i'll take it gets back doored by the pm sent . Happens on other sites i visit as well its a shame and causes bad feelings .IM THINKING they do that so there WIFES DONT SEE THE ILL TAKE IT lol .:bigsmyl2: In the end the guys ive delt with here are great thanks for what ive learned and gotten help with
Unless the seller states to post in the thread, PM is perfectly legitimate. No reason to even post "PM sent." First I'll take it via any means should get the item. The general board public does not need to know other people's business.

[greenmntranger]

I don't see any specific policy being implemented about this. The reply of "PM Sent", to an add could mean a wide range of things but here, it means if it's posted before you, forget trying to buy the item. The first "I'll take it" means nothing to many folks, that's what makes this a cult, instead of a classified forum.

I think "cult" is a little strong. Is there a group that is "really , really" into the hobby of casting and have this forum on "speed dial", checking it obsessively for items of interest/want/need? Of course there is. (I'm becoming one myself;-) )

Is there those long time members who might favor other long time members when determining who to sell to? I believe there is.

But that is CAPITALISM. I/you/they can choose to sell to whom ever they want. As another member posted, Maybe that item of your heart's desire that you missed out on was not meant to be.

I do know, personally, I miss quite a few "heart's desires" but I don't get bent about it. Been doing this buying/selling thing on forums a long time (TOO LONG my wife says) And I usually get what I need at a good price and chat with a lot of really good folks

Just my $0.02 (and worth every penny)

[imashooter2]

Yes. there should be a @#$%^ RULE !! Unfortunately i'll take it gets back doored by the pm sent . Happens on other sites i visit as well its a shame and causes bad feelings .IM THINKING they do that so there WIFES DONT SEE THE ILL TAKE IT lol .:bigsmyl2: In the end the guys ive delt with here are great thanks for what ive learned and gotten help with

It isn't "back doored." It is an offer to buy that the general board public doesn't get to see. As a seller, I don't care which way the offer comes. First is first and that person gets it.

I see no sound reason why the general board public needs to know who bought an item.

[white eagle]

If I receive an e-mail about a item I have for sale
through a p/m I ask the seller to post they will take it in open forum
yes it sucks to loose something on a slight of keyboard
but unless the seller lays out the guidelines that will happen

[Baryngyl]

Just wondering how can mallc have "Posts: 0" when he has 4 posts just in this thread?


Michael Grace

[BillP]

It isn't "back doored." It is an offer to buy that the general board public doesn't get to see. As a seller, I don't care which way the offer comes. First is first and that person gets it.

I see no sound reason why the general board public needs to know who bought an item.

+1 Agree with that!

[oneokie]

Just wondering how can mallc have "Posts: 0" when he has 4 posts just in this thread?


Michael Grace

Posts in Swapping and Selling do not accumulate to build post count.

[hunterldh]

If I remember right, the seller said send a PM.

Yes, I remember the seller requested that the dealings be done by PM. Nothing was said about "first I'll take it" or "the usual rules apply" or anything of that nature. Why has that WTS thread removed ? Hunter

[tonyb]

Has this horse been beaten enought yet? :groner:

[45nut]

The first rule of life is that there is nothing "fair" about it, if you expect staff to make life fair or expect .gov to make things fair for you,, then the equalizer is someone else gets screwed.

Being a frequent flier of the screwed , I have to get over it and move on so I'm told. How is that "fair"?

This forum exists to educate about casting and that is it, everything else offered is just gravy.

Now that said, I feel plenty is offered and for the life of me I cannot understand how perfection anywhere is due and demanded. Winter is coming,, I hope the ant's and the grasshoppers have their feud settled.

[plmitch]

Has this horse been beaten enought yet? :groner:

well played sir.

[Hardcast416taylor]

Couple of years back I got cussed out with sailor talk and called flat out a liar by a person on this site over an "I`ll take it" via a PM. The object in question was already claimed by another person, then this odd feathered bird pops up claiming it should go to him. I`ve been careful since then to carefully write out the conditions of an "I`ll take it" sale.Robert

[montana_charlie]

I don't buy much but I look a lot. Mainly, I just marvel at the prices asked by two guys who think their stuff is made of gold. They don't sell often.

I did see an item some months back that caught my interest. I asked a (public) question, and waited for an answer ... which eventually did come.
After I posted my question, .45 2.1 came along saying (to the effect) If Charlie doesn't take it after getting his answer, I will.

That is a form of polite consideration you rarely see, anymore. But, consider the opposite. Consider the 'I'll Take It Rule" and how it would work in real life.

You are standing in a second hand store, looking at a used power tool which is laying on the counter. While you wait for an answer about the previous owner ... or while you negotiate a price ... or while you are considering a trade ... Newt walks up, grabs the tool, and says, "I'll Take It".

I have a feeling, after that inconsiderate display, Newt would be carrying a handful of broken nose out to his car instead of a used skill saw.

A seller may specify exactly how he wants to be notified about takers, but common courtesy SHOULD take over if he isn't very specific.

CM

[DCP]

There isn't an issue that can be fix, if we don't talk about it.

With all due respect

In my opinion that's one of the things wrong with our nations government right now.

Now that I think about it, just about my whole family is that way. Nothing ever gets fixed LOL[smilie=b:

[JesterGrin_1]

This is Wild that all of this started from someone with O posts.

All in all this is a very fair forum I would have to say. Yes I have lost money on a Rock once lol.

[deltaenterprizes]

It isn't "back doored." It is an offer to buy that the general board public doesn't get to see. As a seller, I don't care which way the offer comes. First is first and that person gets it.

I see no sound reason why the general board public needs to know who bought an item.

AMEN Brother!

[hes]

Well said.

[Johnny_Cyclone]

How about:

"I'll take it, pending a PM question"

Then I could say "I'll take it if so n' so backs out"

or "I'll take it next, pending a PM question"

[Geraldo]

If I want it, I say "I'll take it". If I want to kick tires, I say "PM sent". The only reason I post that I sent a PM is that I don't always log in when I look at the forum, thus I do not see my PMs and some others may do this also.

In the end, this forum isn't ebay, it's a forum. If I get to buy something I want while I'm here, that's an added bonus.

[NoZombies]

Forum rules are "it can only be for sale here" essentially, the seller has the right to set the perameters of the sale otherwise.

Auctions are okay, but some people complain.

"first I'll take it" is okay, but some people send PM's and complain

"PM for arrangements" is okay, but then some people complain

You can make most of the people happy most of the time, some of the people happy none of the time, and none of the people happy all of the time.

There is always someone who thinks things should be done differently.

[gee-gaw]

I sell, first I'll take trumps all PMs and tire kickers because of just that. If you lay the rules down ahead of time, things go more smoothly... if it don't get lost in the mail, that is! I don't care if you know I have acquired a new toy. But it is nice to know that the object of my affection is either still available or has been sold pending funds. I get beat-out by just a few minutes sometimes, but such is life. Some of these guys will share there newly acquired stuff with you, sometimes if you ask nicely. Cast Boolits is by far the best site I've bought and sold on. And really nice guys too!
My .02 worth,
Wayne

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

The good news about selling here: it gives you a bigger audience.
The good news about buying here; there is a lot more stuff to buy.

The bad news about selling here: someone will post or PM "I'll take it" but not follow through.
The bad news about buying here: sellers will treat you in a manner that most would not do in a face to face.

It is my opinion that the first posted "I'll take it" should be the end of the discussion. It should trump a PM or Email, or a paper airplane with a note on it that sails in your front room window.

That is what you would do with a table at a gunshow...

Rich

[45nut]

I will point out, must be real tough for some people to find something to bitch about if the worst thing that can happen is you miss out on buying a gun, versus having to sell them all and everything else you worked for.

[angus6]

That said fair is fair and the rules ought to be the same for everyone.

Scott

They are , every seller has the right to handle his sales as he wants

[imashooter2]

The good news about selling here: it gives you a bigger audience.
The good news about buying here; there is a lot more stuff to buy.

The bad news about selling here: someone will post or PM "I'll take it" but not follow through.
The bad news about buying here: sellers will treat you in a manner that most would not do in a face to face.

It is my opinion that the first posted "I'll take it" should be the end of the discussion. It should trump a PM or Email, or a paper airplane with a note on it that sails in your front room window.

That is what you would do with a table at a gunshow...

Rich

At a gun show table, I talk to the dealer and we make the sale. I don't get on the PA system and announce it to the room.

[Dschuttig]

[At a gun show table, I talk to the dealer and we make the sale. I don't get on the PA system and announce it to the room.[/QUOTE]

Your analogy makes no sense because when you buy something you take it with you. And even if you don't, most dealers would put your purchase off to the side behind the table. Imagine finding that old ideal mold you have been looking to get for years to fit that old colt pistol that won't shoot without it? You tell the dealer you'll take it, and he says"sorry some guy sent him an e-mail earlier to buy it but I thought I would leave it out for display anyway". I don't know of to many folks that would walk away without uttering a few choice words. That's just human nature.

[Guesser]

This entire discussion and the manner in which it is being voiced is even more petty than the original question. All right, everybody out of the pool!!!!!!!!!!!