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blackhawk4545
08-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Yepper, I sure do. Just got back from shooting range and my Bisley 45 Colt really likes these boolits cast from plain ww lead. They drop from my mold at 278 grs. and I size them to 452. My load is a Ruger Only load....278 gr boolit, 24 grs. H110.
A 5 gal. bucket packed with rubber crumb for a bullet trap is no match for this round at 25 yds!!! MUST put steel plate in bottom of bucket next time:?

T-Bird
08-27-2011, 09:50 PM
My Bisley 7.5 loves that boolet. I don't have anything around here that needs that load's power, but I have shot it at the range at that level and it is very accurate at 50yds. Rest and 2x scope would get ~ 3in. I tend to shoot it at 1100 fps for hunting and 900fps for plinking it is the only boolet I load in my Bisley anymore. T_Bird

TXGunNut
08-27-2011, 09:56 PM
Please educate me, Blackhawk4545. Who makes this magic mould?

blackhawk4545
08-27-2011, 10:53 PM
Gun Nut - LOL - RCBS would be the flavor.

dougader
08-27-2011, 10:54 PM
Its a newish mould from RCBS. Brian Pearce at Handloader has written about using it also.

blackhawk4545
08-27-2011, 11:01 PM
BUT... I just got through cleaning said Bisley. LOTS of leading from "in hole" to "out hole"!!?? My ww lead tests around 12 - 14 so i guess I'll have to use some Lino. Or heat treat my ww boolits.

Wally
08-27-2011, 11:06 PM
I am glad that you like the 270 grain bullet mold. I have shot the heavy bullets in my 7.5" Ruger Blackhawk...mostly at steel plates and cans. As the price of lead has increased and WW's are much more difficult to obtain, I decided to try a lighter bullet. Found out that the Lee 200 RF works just fine and I can shoot it accurately. Of course many would consider it heresy to use a .45 ACP weight bullet in the .45 Colt... but I am happy with less recoil and it handle the targets that I shoot with it just fine.

MtGun44
08-27-2011, 11:20 PM
Blackhawk, you are assuming that leading is cured by a harder boolit. This is not likely
the case. You probably need a larger diameter or a better lube. I shoot full power magnums
of all flavors with zero leading, as to many others. HARDER is NOT a general cure for
leading!

Bill

plainsman456
08-27-2011, 11:27 PM
Definitely slug toe bore,it might not be the ww that are giving you the problem.

TXGunNut
08-27-2011, 11:33 PM
Thanks for enlightening me BH4545 and Dougader. I use a Lyman 452424 Keith style boolit and SPG lube for bp equivalent loads in my Ruger BH.
Which lube are you using, BH4545?

blackhawk4545
08-27-2011, 11:43 PM
Thanks MtGun44 - This mold drops my ww boolits at .454 and are perfectly round so maybe I should try to just lube and not size to .4515. My sizing die is .452 but Boolits come out .4515.
My lube is home-made...1/2 bee's wax, 1/2 white lithium greese, abut 3 Tablespoons Johnson's Wax.

Dale53
08-27-2011, 11:52 PM
blackhawk4545;
No one has mentioned slugging your cylinder throats - most probably undersize cyllinder throats are the reason and cause for leading.

My Ruger SS Bisley .45 Colt/.45 ACP Convertible leaded until I reamed the cylinder throats on both cylinders. Now, both shoot extremely well with NO leading.

The "standard" for cylinder throats in a modern Ruger .45 Colt is .4525"... as issued, mine ran undersize at about .450".

FWIW
Dale53

blackhawk4545
08-28-2011, 12:29 AM
Dale - Been there, done that. Also changed forcing cone to 11 degrees. I have no leading in cylinder throats or at the forcing cone.

I do understand where your coming from though.

TXGunNut
08-28-2011, 12:36 AM
Good points, Dale, especially with harder boolits. My 1976 vintage BH has .452 cylinder throats and works great with heavy jacketed :o bullets as well as moderate loads of Universal Clays pushing my softer Keith boolits.
Speaking of St Elmer, he had a fair bit of luck pushing cast boolits pretty hard. 'Tis a shame he's not a member here.

Dale53
08-28-2011, 12:40 AM
blackhawk4545;
You can certainly try to harden the bullets. Many on here water drop to heat treat their bullets.

If you have linotype, then try WW/Lino 5/1 and see if that helps. It's easy enough to try and will shortly give you the definitive answer (either it will or it won't).

FWIW
Dale53

blackhawk4545
08-28-2011, 01:00 AM
I think I will make some up unsized first and see iff the larger diameter works better. .454 vs .4515

mainiac
08-28-2011, 06:45 AM
I am glad that you like the 270 grain bullet mold. I have shot the heavy bullets in my 7.5" Ruger Blackhawk...mostly at steel plates and cans. As the price of lead has increased and WW's are much more difficult to obtain, I decided to try a lighter bullet. Found out that the Lee 200 RF works just fine and I can shoot it accurately. Of course many would consider it heresy to use a .45 ACP weight bullet in the .45 Colt... but I am happy with less recoil and it handle the targets that I shoot with it just fine.

I found out years back, that the 452460 boolit,(200 gr. acp ) pushed by 7 grs of red dot,,is the most accurate load in my bisley blackhawk. Way more accurate than the heavy keith type boolits,,plus they dont empty the pot so fast!

MiHec
08-28-2011, 07:23 AM
I have some 4 cav. brass molds in this configuration.

If you are interested just give me PM

BCB
08-28-2011, 07:35 AM
Is this a new mold with those number designations?

OR is that misprint and it is actually the 45-270-SAA?

That one I have and it has been resonable successful in my Blackhawk...

(If I can keep my rear sight from moving!!! See another thread!)...

Good-luck...BCB

Wally
08-28-2011, 07:51 AM
I found out years back, that the 452460 boolit,(200 gr. acp ) pushed by 7 grs of red dot,,is the most accurate load in my bisley blackhawk. Way more accurate than the heavy Keith type boolits,,plus they dont empty the pot so fast!

Amazing as that's the same load that works so well in my Ruger Blackhawk with the Lee 200RF bullet.

I've tried the 250- RNF and the 255 Keiths..none shoot as well as the humble Lee 200 RF... I am sick & tired of missing using them.

This year I tried an old Lee 235 WC bullet mold--found out that it is also more accurate than the traditional 454190 and the Lyman 454424.

I set up a steel plat at 50 yards and shoot a cylinder full of each...time & time again, I've found the 200 Lee RF is more accurate.