help 41 short colt mold

[Bullshop]

I have a customer requesting a boolit for the 41 short colt. To be correct it should be about 150gn from .400" to .401" and heeled. It will aslo work with a .386" hollow base but the heeled would be closer to origonal.
NEI has three but all are for the 41 colt and too heavy for the 41 short.
Anybody have something, or a link to a maker that might have something?
I think Rapine may but I am looking for a link to them if they are still in business.
Any ideas and help of any kind are welcome.
Thank Yall!
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[45nut]

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,62.html

http://www.customreloads.com/rapine.html

Have a look there Dan.

[onceabull]

Dan: I'd try a query to Jim Allison,@Cast Bullet Engineering..Good Luck., &try to let us know what you find... Onceabull

[Wayne Smith]

NEI has molds for the Long and Short Colt rounds. Their 213 is a .410-200-LC, a heeled bullet, and #241 is listed as a .41-200-LC, also heeled, but shown in the catalog as a shorter bullet. Their #193A is a .386-200-HB, the hollow base that needs to be cast very close to pure lead to adequately expand. Hope this helps.

[Bullshop]

Thanks to all who help but no pay dirt. He says it cant be over 150gn. The two lightest were from CBE, and Rapine and they were 175, and 185gn.
Does anyone know if MT Dan's design program will allow me to design a heeled base?
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[trooperdan]

What Lyman moulds would be correct? I might have the right one without even knowing it, seems I have a .41 mould of sometime stowed away.

[scrapcan]

Someone needs to get with Floodgate on this one. I have been helping to get his tables converted, but I would not even know which time frame to look. Send him a pm or an email.


Jeremy

[45nut]

Thanks to all who help but no pay dirt. He says it cant be over 150gn. The two lightest were from CBE, and Rapine and they were 175, and 185gn.
Does anyone know if MT Dan's design program will allow me to design a heeled base?
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I believe you can alter a gas check shank in the program as you desire.

[floodgate]

Bullshop:

You're looking for the Lyman heel-base bullet #386176; nose is almost perfectly hemispherical, weight is listed in the older Ideal Handbooks (I just checked No. 11 from 1899 - reprint from <www.cornellpubs.com>) as 163 grs.: "This is the old style .41 short Colt's OL bullet.....Price of mould, Regular List, $1.10."

The Long Colt used the blunt-nosed #386177 at 196 grs. These were designed originally as exact replacements for the factory bullets, and were last listed by Lyman in their Annual Product Catalog for 1967, so...Good Luck!

floodgate

[Bullshop]

Gee wizz at $1.10 I will just get a couple of them. Thanks a 1,000,000!
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[Harry O]

You might want to consider ordering a special from NEI. They have a #214 heel-base bullet that has a very short nose and a long tail. It weighs 182gr as designed (although they claim 200gr). The problem is that it was designed to use long cases and still fit in the 1892 DA Colt cylinder. Consequently, it is inaccurate. The bullet tips in the bore because of the short nose and long tail.

However, if you ordered the NEI with a shorter tail (by holding the cherry further out), that would shorten the length and reduce the weight. That was exactly what was done with an Old West brass 41LC mould that I have. It has two bullets, one full length and a lighter one that had the cherry held further out. The forward part of both is identical. Only the heel is different (a short one and a long one). The short one was supposed to be for the 41 Short Colt, but it is still too heavy and long for that. It should be possible to get very close to the 386176 Lyman mould with that. Just make sure you do not get the #213 and #215 from NEI. They are different and would not work as well.

BTW, I have only seen ONE of the 386176's in the 10 years or so I have been collecting 41 Colt stuff. I did not get it.

[trooperdan]

Daniel, according to my notes I have a 386178 around here somewhere.. I'll see if I can find it. Might be usable, reckon Floodgate can tell us more.

[Bullshop]

Daniel, according to my notes I have a 386178 around here somewhere.. I'll see if I can find it. Might be usable, reckon Floodgate can tell us more.
Oh that would be just peachy if I could at least just borrow it for a short time if nothing else. I wont hurt it, promise!
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[floodgate]

Dan, Bullshop:

No. 386178 is the hollow-base, inside-lubed 200-grainer for the .41 LC., made from 1897-8 through 1978, the last several years as a special-order item. That one, being a hollow-base, cost a whole $1.50 in 1899!

Worth a try, though, if nothing else turns up.

floodgate