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[Caster Blaster]

I've been searching this site and the rest of the net for a couple hours now, I am trying to find a load for a 200grainer, plain base, 44 magnum around 1300+ fps using H110 or 2400. Everything I find is a light load around 850-900fps using Unique. When I check the next highest in jacketed, (210 grains) it shows H110 @ 26 -27grains getting 1600+ . Any suggestions?:?

[Caster Blaster]

Better question, why are the loads I am finding only for 900fps when I KNOW the thing can do 1500 EASY!

[462]

" Any suggestions?"

Have you tried a reloading manual, particularly Lyman?

Unless it was from one of the powder companies sites, I wouldn't trust an Internet gleened load.

[357shooter]

I fed the Alliant recipe of 24 grains of 2400 at roughly 1,600FPS into the Lee reduced load calculator. It suggest 18.5 grains to produce 1,300FPS.

Then I added on 100FPS and reran it, because cast usually produces higher velocity than jacketed. Basically the same calculation as above, but starting with 1,700FPS. That suggested 17.2 grains for 1,300FPS.

That gives you a ballpark to work in at least. Split the difference and see how it works out.

[NHlever]

The Lyman #4 manual lists loads that will suit your needs. There is some shortage of loads listed because H-110 requires some resistance I.E. heavy boolit to burn properly. Light boolits are better suited with faster powders. Remember that a jacketed bullet provides more resistance than a cast one. I have used H-110 with the 210 gr. jacketed bullets, but haven't gotten the accuracy that I get using the same powder with heavier bullets.

[376Steyr]

Better question, why are the loads I am finding only for 900fps when I KNOW the thing can do 1500 EASY!

The soft, swaged lead, barely lubricated slugs that the big jacketed manufacturers produce are not well suited for higher velocities. Pushing them to 1500 fps would probably leave enough leading behind to distress a novice handloader. Casually pushing a commercially cast 200 gr bullet to 1500 fps is also an iffy thing, due to issues with alloy hardness, bore fit, and lube type. If I ran a powder company, I'd only list "light" loads for non-jacketed bullets too.

[geargnasher]

The Lyman #4 manual lists loads that will suit your needs. There is some shortage of loads listed because H-110 requires some resistance I.E. heavy boolit to burn properly. Light boolits are better suited with faster powders. Remember that a jacketed bullet provides more resistance than a cast one. I have used H-110 with the 210 gr. jacketed bullets, but haven't gotten the accuracy that I get using the same powder with heavier bullets.

There you have it.

Use HS6 or 2400, something along those lines.

Gear

[Caster Blaster]

how about several reloading manuals 462? But I don't have Lyman. I did check the powder companies sites and thats where I got my info thus far. Thank you, to the rest of you, I didn't know there was a Lee calculator, I will check it out and it sounds like Lyman is the one to have. I've pushed a plain-base 340grainer to 1750fps out of my 460 xvr smith with minimal leading, I guess a faster powder is the way to go, but what about using a filler to compress H110, is it worth playing with, or just go with a faster powder? I will probably run with the 2400, as I have had great luck with it in my other 44mag loads, I do appreciate others opinions, thanks

[Mal Paso]

18g of 2400 would be about minimum in the magnum case below that combustion may get erratic YMMV

Any filler for H110 would have to be non-compressible not like Dacron used to hold powder position. Anyway H110 would be out of your specified range.

[357shooter]

The Reduced Load Calculator is part of the the Lee Shooter software, sold on their site. It has several other calculators, a database to store your loads in, targets to print and load data from the powder manufacturers in PDF format. FYI

[Caster Blaster]

1300fps was kind of a minimum speed I was looking for as a starting point and work up from there till I got pressure signs (sticky case extractions, flat primers, ect) I guess I didn't pose my question exactly how I wanted to. 376styer: That does make some good sense about the store-bought cast boolits. I am going to start with the 18gr. of 2400 and pick up a Lyman manual today. thanks guys.

[Caster Blaster]

I figured I'd post my results for anyone else who might be curious, the lyman book did have one interesting 210gr. lino load listed 19.8 grains of 2400 would give 1190fps, i started with 20 as I know my Dan Wesson can take whatever I throw at it, and was getting 1488fps multiple times, then +/- 15 fps after that. Overlapping holes at 25yds, no pressure signs, plenty of speed. Good enough for me. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys, haven't tried H110 yet, i'll post that one soon

[462]

Glad to hear that a Lyman manual helped. When it comes to cast loads, they're tops.

[williamwaco]

The traditional Elmer Keith load was 22 grains of 2400 with a 240gr Keith bullet.

I used a lot of these with the 240 grain bullet then got a 220gr Keith style mold to reduce the recoil.

I expect the 24 gr load suggested above will be just about ideal for you. BUT, please start with 22gr just to be safe.

[MtGun44]

H110 is unsafe in reduced loadings. If the manuals do not give a load with H110/W296 that is slow enough for you, you absolutely should use another powder. 2400, as mentioned, is
a great choice, and is safe at reduced loadings.

Bill

[Caster Blaster]

mtgun44, I am really not looking for a reduced load, it was just that all I was finding before I got the Lyman book, was about 900-1000 fps, I WANT to go faster, and now I am. The 200grainer I'm using is the NOE POINTY boolit, I am amazed at how fast it goes. The Lyman #429215 max load with 22grns of 2400 should have 1348 fps. with 20grns I am getting just under 1500fps, which is great, accuracy is spot on and no pressure signs. Lyman calls for 26.4 - 27.5grns H110 max velocity at 1447fps. I am betting I'll do better than that with the NOE boolit.