Numbered bullets

[Pb head]

As I was sitting in the local coffee shop this morning I seen something that really made me shake my head. They had a cable news show playing on a TV set up for their customers to watch while there. As I was watching those ticker tape type thingies that run across the bottom of the screen one came across saying California has a bill introduced to have all bullets serial numbered to make it easier to solve crimes committed with firearms. I sure hope that silly stuff doesn't spread to other states. If it does how small can you buy metal stamps? Will sure cut down on my speed of production. Of course it did say bullets, not boolits.

Pb head

[swheeler]

The truth is if something like that ever passes it will STOP your production!

[45nut]

Merely another ruse to let the masses think that they will still be allowed guns under the liberal thumb. Think about the expense such a proposal would incur. A single "bullet" under that rule would be in the $2.00 range I am guessing and totally wipe the 22lr off the stage in Kalifornia. That my friends is really their goal,just like the previously offered "tax" on ammo,they merely want the populace disarmed .
I suppose they already have their own version of the Khmer Rouge troops lined up.....

[Buckshot]

............They're also talking about a deal to require that the firearm imprint a number on the fired case.

............Buckshot

[StarMetal]

What this means is not just the idea of a serial number on the bullet. What good will that do without a name to identify that number with? Ah my friends, it's another attempt at registration.

Joe

[9.3X62AL]

More bullsquat from the legislative technology-worshippers. This sort of forensic nonsense is about as effective in suspect identification as a fact I discovered during a spate of bank robberies in 2003--that the same car had been stolen 3 times and used in 5 different robberies. Nice to know, but of no value in establishing the identity of the person committing the crimes.

Another reason these whacked out schemes get advanced is some private sector R&D type develops software that can, say, record ballistic "fingerprints". This R&D firm gets chummy with a politico in some way, and "sells" the technology to the legislator/government--either literally or figuratively.

[sundog]

yea, I've often thought this way about technology development, especially with computers and networking. Technology gets developed and maybe does not have a pratical application, so we design soemthing for it to work on and create a need - voila, a new industry which =s $$$s. Case in point is computer visruses. Antivirus software is now developed almost overnight for new viruses. The continuation of new viruses constantly hitting computers creates a 'need' for update antivirus software, thus an industry thriving. I often wonder if the antivirus software companies -- well, maybe I better not go there.

Anyway, SN bullets has got to be about the dumbest idea. Sounds good, so again, for the unwashed, it should be an easy sell. And these people keep getting elected. Go figure. A whole new industry developed - bullet SN engraving machines, secure packing and delivery, and all the buracracy that goes along with it to track all the numbers. And the cost.... Stoopid freaking idiots! sundog

[wills]

More bullsquat from the legislative technology-worshippers. This sort of forensic nonsense is about as effective in suspect identification as a fact I discovered during a spate of bank robberies in 2003--that the same car had been stolen 3 times and used in 5 different robberies. Nice to know, but of no value in establishing the identity of the person committing the crimes.

Another reason these whacked out schemes get advanced is some private sector R&D type develops software that can, say, record ballistic "fingerprints". This R&D firm gets chummy with a politico in some way, and "sells" the technology to the legislator/government--either literally or figuratively.

Not just boolits. Look at most public infrastructure, toll roads, power plants pipelines, publicly financed football & baseball stadiums are mostly the brainchildren of Engineers, who get the bond lawyers on board. They use their politicians to shove the thing through the legislature, make billions and the public picks up the tab.

[Scrounger]

Not just boolits. Look at most public infrastructure, toll roads, power plants pipelines, publicly financed football & baseball stadiums are mostly the brainchildren of Engineers, who get the bond lawyers on board. They use their politicians to shove the thing through the legislature, make billions and the public picks up the tab.

My only disagreement is with the word 'engineers'. The power comes from owners and/or CEOs. The engineers are just 'tools' like all the other workers. The real culprit, as usual, is big money.

[wills]

The “owners” are entities governed by politicians financed by and beholden to the Engineers.

It is the engineers who are the big money.

[9.3X62AL]

Not the first time I've written this........How Government Does Business--

1) Perception of "Crisis"

2) Search for the Guilty

3) Punishment of the Innocent

4) Awards for the Largely Uninvolved

[carpetman]

Did I ever make a rare find. Folks I have serial #1 bullet in several cals. This one of a kind will someday be worth ???????????. Right now you can submit your bids and make an investment. There will never be another. Hurry,hurry,hurry once in a lifetime deal.

[TCLouis]

Bullet points today discusses this very issue. It ois moving thru legislature. Gotta wonder about those kalifornians!

[fatnhappy]

More bullsquat from the legislative technology-worshippers. This sort of forensic nonsense is about as effective in suspect identification as a fact I discovered during a spate of bank robberies in 2003--that the same car had been stolen 3 times and used in 5 different robberies. Nice to know, but of no value in establishing the identity of the person committing the crimes.

Another reason these whacked out schemes get advanced is some private sector R&D type develops software that can, say, record ballistic "fingerprints". This R&D firm gets chummy with a politico in some way, and "sells" the technology to the legislator/government--either literally or figuratively.


And the end result is that tax dollars ear marked to put criminals behind bars are siphoned off for dubious schemes. I'd rather my tax dollars be spent putting men in uniform, that will actually solve and deter crimes.

Grrrrr.

[Ballistics in Scotland]

There is nothing difficult about making a firearm capable of distinctively marking any case it fires. This is an M16 case which I picked up, with fourteen others, on a highway exit ramp shoulder in Kuwait city, where I think it was most likely fired in a resistance ambush. Due to the pinprick close beside the firing-pin, I could distinguish it from any other M16 ever made.

The only trouble is, you can temporarily disable this convenient feature with epoxy filler, shim or tape. I expect they would want to make a law against that.

[Willbird]

OR just scatter fired brass bought from a supplier that gets it from an FBI range. Or change bolts after every drive by...........


Bill

[NVcurmudgeon]

Or the 16 gauge lead chamber bushing in an Old Perry Mason mystery story. It was bored for a .38 Special cartridge.

[Wayne Smith]

Didn't NJ try this for a couple of years and give up on it because it was not useful? The NJ State Police said that there was no effect and thus the cost was not appropriate to continue. What I've read in NRA mags they change it to not require anything like this.

[anachronism]

I like Barrett's solution. If they pass this law, all manufacturers should cease and desist from selling ammunition into California. This includes all State and local Police Departments, National Guard units, etc. It would be unlawful for them to sell un-serialized ammo in Calif., regardless who they sold it to. The Federal Government would have to apply to the State of California for an exemption for the military bases, & other government agencies. Give them what they ask for.

Bob

[Bigscot]

Maryland is the state that just gave up on ballistic finger printing. I think they required bullets and casings. Cost too much and did not solve any cases. Suprise suprise.

BS