Mihec Hollow Point (Cramer) Brass 4-Cavity H&G #68 .45

[HenryC460]

We are starting an Active Buy for a Cramer-type brass 4-cavity plain base mould that casts in the popular Hensley & Gibbs #68 profile.

http://www.mp-molds.com/images/hg68_pb.jpg

By reversing the pins, the mould will cast either 200 grain solid nose or 185 grain hollowpoint boolits. You can order yours in 0.452" or 0.454" (nominal). They will cast half a thousandth to a thousandth larger than that when fed straight wheelweight.

Here is some information on Cramer-type moulds for those of you who are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/v/sMXtwOqc1NY?fs=1&hl=en_US

And here's the mould maker's site, where you can learn a lot about the sort of work he does:

www.mp-molds.com

If you want on the list, either post your "masked" email address (e. g. homer underscore simpson at springfieldelectric dot com, what diameter you'd like, and whether you'd like that with Mihec's excellent handles (the mould also works with Lee 6-cavity handles).

This group buy is for a brass, 4-cavity, plain base, Cramer-type H&G #68 mould that casts either 0.452" or 0.454" boolits (your choice). Moulds are $120 plus $20 shipping.

The following paragraph no longer applies:


Choice of pin type (round or pentagonal) will depend on interest level. Fifteen orders gets us round pins. Somewhat more than 15 orders for pentagonal pins will be required to make that happen. Five-sided pins are an extra $16.

The moulds have been built, and prototype pentagonal pins have proven non-feasible given the long, small nose of the H&G #68.

This mould comes with round pins to cast a round hollow point and blank pins to cast a solid nose.

The moulds accept Lee 6-cavity handles, and Miha also makes super nice handles for $23 plus $7 shipping.

Here is the list. Please specify your diameter (0.452 or 0.454).

1. dragonrider . . . . . dragonrider at charter dot net - 0.452
2. tonyjones . . . . . tony dot jones1951 at att dot net - 0.452
3. hicard . . . . . hicard at theskybeam dot com 0.452
4. BoolitBill . . . . . tanstaafldds at aol dot com - 0.452
5. L1A1Rocker . . . . . flstf93james AT yahoo DOT com - 0.452
6. practical man . . . . . 1practical dot man at gmail dot com - 0.452
7. chprplt . . . . . exit13five at aol dot com - 0.452
8. chprplt . . . . . exit13five at aol dot com - 0.452
9. Valley Forge . . . . . lfh at hollywoodsound dot com - available, 0.452, with handles
10. gmsharps . . . . . gmsharps at CS dot com - 0.452
11. crf250x . . . . . a1acp at msn.com - 0.452
12. crf250x . . . . . a1acp at msn.com - 0.452
13. KennethF . . . . . snugglebeargus at aol dot com - 0.452
14. rintinglen . . . . . ghoglin at hotmail dot com - 0.452
15. shaggyant . . . . . Mischievous_007_ at hotmail dot com - 0.452
16. 2240blaster . . . . . plak at hawaii dot rr dot com - 0.452
17. colt saa . . . . . Colt_SAA at RocketMail dot Com - 0.452
18. fivegunner . . . . . fivegunner at sbcglobal.net - 0.452
19. Salmon-boy . . . . . Salmon-boy using comcast for net - 0.452
20. Maximumbob54 . . . . . maximumbobby_54 aT yahoo DOT com - 0.452, with handles
21. MtMark45 . . . . . mlkeith45 at AOL dot com - 0.452
22. mold maker . . . . . alicejerry at charter dot net - 0.452
23. HDS . . . . . dennis dot aspo at gmail dot com - 0.452, with handles
24. Viagrow . . . . . . bnoble758 at sbcglobal dot net - 0.452
25. Viagrow . . . . . . bnoble758 at sbcglobal dot net - 0.452
26. Cast of Thousands . . . . . ronaldrodina at sbcglobal dot net - 0.452
27. Visible Miss . . . . . bargentos at msn dot com - 0.452, with handles
28. Aaron . . . . . 5090shiloh at gmaildot com - 0.454
29. Dirtdgger . . . . . dirtdgger3355 at yahoo dot com - 0.452
30. Rick B . . . . . hplongrange at gmail dot com - 0.452
31. dagunnut . . . . . robertzanoni at yahoo dot com - 0.452
31. Elkins45 . . . . . Elkins at iglou dot com - 0.452
32. gvrj . . . . . George at rayclan dot net - 0.452
33. Snoopz . . . . . Krantzent at googlemail dot com - 0.452
34. rxp46 . . . . . janhagemans at hetnet dot nl - 0.454
35. LabGuy . . . . . LCEL at hotmail dot com - 0.454
36. Ozarklongshot . . . . . . Stoneaxe42 at Yahoo dot com - 0.452
37. Cord . . . . . . denbay29 at sbcglobal dot net - 0.454
38. btreanor . . . . . btreanor at hotmail dot com - 0.452
39. gaperry . . . . . ga perry 59 at embarq mail dot com - 0.452
40. T-Town Assassin . . . . . . dblock62 AT gmail dot com - 0.452
41. FLYBOY . . . . . rocrook at lexcominc.com - 0.454
42. sza . . . . . burch at offline dot org - 0.452, with handles
43. Ecomm123 . . . . . ecomm711 at maierassociates dot com - 0.452 round pins, with handles
44. Ecomm123 . . . . . ecomm711 at maierassociates dot com - 0.452 round pins, with handles
45. shooter3gun . . . . . mjkpa at comcast dot net - 0.452 round pins, with handles
46. shooter3gun . . . . . mjkpa at comcast dot net - 0.452, round pins with handles
47. GregBCE . . . . . GregBCE at verizon dot net - 0.452, with handles
48. GregBCE . . . . . GregBCE at verizon dot net - 0.452, with handles
49. Village Idiot . . . . . krzin08 at yahoo dot com - 0.454, round pins
50. Paul105 . . . . . paul {summers} 105 (at) msn \dot\ com - 0.452
51. 358wcf . . . . . CV cooks (all one word) at astound dot net - 0.452
52. Live2Ride . . . . . dan underscore harben at msn dot com - 0.454
53. coloraydo . . . . . vannatta at centurytel dot net - 0.452
54. cef . . . . . cnfaber at evertek dot net - 0.452
55. Pystis . . . . . mutalakalkku(at)hotmail dot com - 0.452, with handles
56. MANGYCOYOTE . . . . . deedonc at yahoo dot com - 0.452
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[L1A1Rocker]

Gunna bump this thread. This is going to be a Hollow Pointed H & G #68. I can't believe that there aren't 50 people signed up by now.

[chprplt]

I agree...Gotta get one of these!!!....exit13five at aol dot com .452, all pins, but round okay.
Thanks for running this one. Think pentagonal

[HenryC460]

Got it. We're about half way.

[Valley Forge]

Well doggone it, I want one of these in .452", both pins if available and a set of handles please.
"Valley Forge" -lfh at hollywoodsound dot com

[HenryC460]

gotcha. Now we're on the other side of the hill.

[Triggerhappy]

I'm game for one pending pricing...

Triggerhappy . . . . . brian at macgurus dot com - all pins .452"

Thanks,

TH

[HenryC460]

I'm game for one pending pricing...

Triggerhappy . . . . . brian at macgurus dot com - all pins .452"

Thanks,

TH

$120, plus $20 shipping, plus $16 for the five-sided pins (assuming that option happens). Are you in?

[gmsharps]

gmsharps gmsharps at CS dot com both pins if available, 0.452

[L1A1Rocker]

We're coming along. Just a few more to make it on the schedule.

[KennethF]

I want one, .452 with both pin types.

KennethF snugglebeargus at aol dot com

[HenryC460]

We are almost to the magic number 15. I am very optimistic about this.

By the way...

New thread title. It didn't disappear. L1AiRocker suggested it might catch more attention, and I added in Miha's name so it's easier for him to keep track of.

[1911sw45]

$120, plus $20 shipping, plus $16 for the five-sided pins (assuming that option happens). Are you in?

Is this a sure thing price? I have not seen Micha comment on price? If it is I would be in on this.

Adam

[HenryC460]

Is this a sure thing price? I have not seen Micha comment on price? If it is I would be in on this.

Adam

That is the official price. Miha wrote me in a PM:


Price for cramer would be 120 $ plus 20$ shipping (plus 16$ for extra 5 sided pins) for 4 cavity brass.

What diameter would you like? Just round pins or both kinds? Would you like handles with that?

Please post or PM me your masked email address for the list.

Thanks

[rintinglen]

Sigh, you guys are going to cost me my next gun. Sign me up 4 cavity round pins only, 452 diameter.

[HenryC460]

I have requested a change of title.

Someone suggested to me that "Hollow Point" is more eyecatching than "Cramer-Type", so the new title should read "Hollow point (Cramer)" (should eliminate some confusion with the other buy as well).

I have also removed the descriptor "200 grains" from the thread title. This mould will cast a hollow point version of the 200 grain H&G #68, but (because air is lighter than lead) the hollow point removes about 15 grains of weight. The hollow point boolits you actually get from this mould will actually weigh about 185 grains.

[JoeBob]

hollowpoint 0.454" all pins


sidneyjanetsnow at bellsouth dot net
Thanks, JB

[crf250x]

I guess I'll take one too, a1acp at msn.com with round pin in .452

[HenryC460]

I guess I'll take one too, a1acp at msn.com with round pin in .452

You are #15 on the list.

That means we have reached the threshold to have these moulds made (15).

We have:

Fifiteen orders for moulds.

Fourteen orders saying round pins at least (I've got to get one buyer's email, diameter, and pin preferences yet).

Nine orders that would at least like pentagonal pins.

I am not sure how many buyers would consider round pins only a deal breaker. We need somewhat more than 15 orders for the pentagonal pins if any pentagonal pins are going to be made, and I'd say we're only near halfway to somewhat-more-than-15 on those pentagonals right now.

[midnight]

I thought I was already signed up? There are two threads in the Active Group Buys for this mould. There are 49 guys signed up on the first one. If that thread is just the discussion thread, maybe it should be moved there. I guess I'll sign up again. rwhyte at wi dot rr dot com. one mould 0.452 all pins. Round pins OK if pentas are not available.

[2240blaster]

I'll take sone too. Round pin in .452

[colt_saa]

Count me in for a 452with round pins.

Colt_SAA
at
RocketMail.Com

[fivegunner]

I want one 4 cavity .452 with round pins. fivegunner at sbcglobal.net

[Salmon-boy]

To quote a movie.. I GOTTA get me one of these!!!

4 cav .452 with pentagonal pins - Salmon-boy using comcast for net

[Triggerhappy]

Hate to say it but I need to pull out of this buy.

Good luck and carry on folks.

TH

[HenryC460]

Sorry to hear it Trig. You're welcome back if you change your mind.

Meanwhile, for anybody who wants the #10 slot, it's open.

[crf250x]

I'd like to change my order from one mold to two please. Same molds.

[HenryC460]

I'd like to change my order from one mold to two please. Same molds.

You are #10 and #11 now.

[JoeBob]

I need to drop off of this buy for now also.

I stumbled across Miha's overruns page, got a bit excited with what was available and will have to limit my obligations for a while.

I'll try to get back if I'm able to recover before last call.

Apologetically,

Joebob.

[HenryC460]

Slot #14 is available!

[shaggyant]

I'm in for one of these in .452 with the penta pins if possible. If not round is ok too.
Mischievous_007_ at hotmail dot com

[HenryC460]

shaggyant,

You have got the #14 slot. Welcome.

[HDS]

Hmmm, this looks interesting but I am already on the regular HG #68 group buy, any particular reason for hollow pointing this bullet?

[Maximumbob54]

.452 with round pins, please...

maximumbobby_54 AT yahoo DOT com

And I was just complaining about spending yet more money on reloading... oh well...

[MtMark45]

.452 with round pins,please.
mlkeith45atAOLdotcom

[HenryC460]

Hmmm, this looks interesting but I am already on the regular HG #68 group buy, any particular reason for hollow pointing this bullet?

I'll do my best...

There's terminal performance. A hollow point boolit might more quickly dispatch whatever you dispatch with it due to the bigger wound channel. It might tend to stay in the target instead of overpenetrating and hitting what's beyond it.

The hollow point boolit is going to have the same proven H&G #68 exterior profile as the solid nose, but it's 15 grains lighter. Everything else being constant, it flies a little faster, and at pistol shooting distances, that means flatter shooting, less drop to correct for.

The hollow points use 7.5% less lead per boolit. Shoot 14, and get one free!

The recoil and pressure characteristics for the 185 grain hollow point will be a little different than for a 200 grain solid nose. Since you can make both with the same mould, you get a couple of new tuning parameters for working up a load. It might make a finicky pistol easier to feed.

For a semiauto shooting semiwadcutters, pressure near the maximum is not generally an issue, but the same boolit, same cartridge is used in moon clipped revolvers. Someone with a 625 might want want to load something zippier (or save wear and tear by backing off on boolit weight and psi).

Then there's aesthetics. Hollow points look good. A box or a magazine or a cylinder full of hollowpoints has this high-quality, store bought, expensive character. Maybe it usefully distracts competitors at shooting matches. I don't know. In any case, if you have the mould, they're as cheap as their solid nose cousins, and if you have this mould, you can cast them hollow or solid.

Then there's professional considerations. If someone sells the boolits they cast, they might want to dress up their product line by saying "now available in hollow point." It might be a big seller, or it might keep a customer in "the store" a while longer, resulting in other sales. Why does the customer want this particular boolit in hollow point??? Probably for a few reasons more than I can think of.

[mold maker]

I gotta do this one, in 452 with both pins.
alicejerry at charter dot net

[HDS]

Thanks for the detailed explanation HenryC460! I got a lot of thinking todo now. Not sure I need HP capacity for this bullet, but it'd be nice to have I suppose, having a free bullet every 14th round is a real interesting argument. IIRC where there also some accuracy advantages to a HP, by it moving the center of gravity further back?

[HDS]

OK! I am in!

dennis dot aspo at gmail dot com - round pins, .452"

If it's possible I would like to order handles as well.

[Viagrow]

Count me in for a 4 cavity mold too.

.452 with round pins, please...

bnoble758 at sbcglobal dot net.

[phaessler]

I'm in...
phaessler haesslerpd at hughes dot net 0.452" hollowpoint round pins

Pete

[HenryC460]

You're #24 Pete.

[Visible Miss]

I guess I need one of these, too.
.452 with round pins and handles.

bargentos at msn dot com.

Thanks.

[HenryC460]

I guess I need one of these, too.
.452 with round pins and handles.

bargentos at msn dot com.

Thanks.

You're in. Welcome.

[shaggyant]

I saw the solid version of this mold just closed. How is far behind is this one?

[HenryC460]

I saw the solid version of this mold just closed. How is far behind is this one?

I don't know how far. I'll ask Miha. This one is open for the moment, and I encourage anyone who would like one of these to get signed up. But I'll try and get some idea whether we're talking about days, weeks, or months.

[Aaron]

I am in. 454 both pins please

5090shiloh at gmaildot com

Thanks Aaron

[HDS]

BTW, any possibility of ordering handles too?

[HenryC460]

BTW, any possibility of ordering handles too?
Yes. Handles are $23 plus $7 shipping. I'll add that to the first post. It slipped my mind.

[HDS]

OK then I would also like some handles with my order.

[HenryC460]

OK then I would also like some handles with my order.

I've got you down for handles now.

By the way, it appears this buy may be closing soon.

[Dirtdgger]

Dirtdgger dirtdgger3355 at yahoo dot com 452 both pins

[phaessler]

HenryC460,

Please change mine to 0.454" round pins
Thank you
Pete

[HenryC460]

Got you switched Pete.

[HenryC460]

I found this interesting discussion of hollowpoint lead boolit expansion, and just look at the interesting recovered boolits this fellow got with his pentagonal pins:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67948

Some of the expanded boolit pictures there are as pretty as Hydra Shoks.

[phaessler]

Ty very much...

Pete

[HenryC460]

I think this buy is going to be closing very soon. Miha said he's waiting on his lathe man who was on holiday. I take it that when he comes back, I'll be getting the directions to close this shortly.

[HDS]

I'm actually starting to wonder this close to the closing, about .452" or .454". I slugged my 1911 barrel to .451" and something, but I still wonder if maybe it would be safer to get a .454" and size to .452", to prevent any possibility of getting undersized bullets?

[BoolitBill]

HDS, My experience with Mihec molds has been, if you order a .452 you will get either a .452 or a .453. I have never gotten an undersized mold from Mihec. I feel his quality is fantastic.

[HDS]

Yeah I've been searching through old threads and a .452" looks like it'll be best suited for my purposes.

[HenryC460]

HDS,

I'll keep you on the list for a 0.452 then.

I agonized no small amount about diameter, and I finally came up with 0.454 for a solid point mould, figuring I might be casting something softer than wheelweight some day (that might cast a hair smaller than wheelweight does).

[mstarling]

I'm in ... 0.452" pentagonal pins if available, round otherwise. (Let me know how/when you need payment.)

[ldmcrook]

I'm in for this one too, 0.452" with both pins and handles.

mjcrookston at msn.com

Thanks!

[ldmcrook]

Sorry, cancel that, I just realized I already have one of these from the previous run. I gotta start paying better attention I guess.

[DDriller]

I'm in for 0.452 with both pins
fuhr2003 at swbell dot net

[Shakey Jakey]

I'm in for a .454 all pins if available. putzie at aol dot com.

[dagunnut]

dagunnut . . . . . robertzanoni at yahoo dot com - I'm in for both pins if available, 0.452

[HenryC460]

Three more orders for pentagonal pins! I count sixteen now.

Anybody else out there?

Picture of pentagonal hollowpoint expansion:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/BobMKIII/100_2482.jpg

Thanks Bob..

Note that the moulds in this buy will be available with round pins only. Pentagonal pins were prototyped, and a good pentagonal hollowpoint is not feasible because of the nose configuration of the H&G #68. Sorry for any inconvenience. H. C.

Here is an interesting discussion of the results:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67948

[HenryC460]

Here is a picture demostrating pentagonal hollowpoint expansion. Note that the moulds in this buy will be available with round pins only. Pentagonal pins were prototyped, and a good pentagonal hollowpoint is not feasible because of the nose configuration of the H&G #68. Sorry for any inconvenience. H. C.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/BobMKIII/100_2476.jpg

Thanks again Bob..

[gvrj]

Okay I'm in.... .452" pentagonal pins if available, round otherwise


George

[hicard]

I'm #3 on the list and would like the pentagonal pin option added to my order please.

[mstarling]

Henry,

When you order pentagonal pins do you also get non-hollow point pin blanks?

Also ... any idea of how long it might take for this one to close?

Mike

[HDS]

I assume you flip the pentagon pins upside down just like the normal HPs to produce a flatpoint.

[mstarling]

Would be lovely. Haven't used the Cramer type mold even though I've cast bullets for more than 40 years ... good to learn new things.

[HenryC460]

Mike,

If you flip the round pins, you get a flat point, solid nose H&G #68. With the pentagonal pins, I figure that's also what you get. My understanding is that all the moulds are shipping with round pins and that the pentagonals are an optional add-on.

Time-wise, I think it will be "soon." I asked Miha, and he was waiting for his lathe man, who was on holiday. I take that to mean these are being worked on and near done.

gvrj,

Please give your "masked" email address.

hicard,

Got you on the list for pentagonals.

Anybody else like pentagonals?

[DukeInMaine]

I don't have a horse in this race, but I would guess that Miha would have made these molds at the same time he was making the other (non-hollow point) H&G 68's.

I'm surprised that he hasn't closed this one.

[gvrj]

My email is George at rayclan dot net.

Thanks

[HenryC460]

A cylinder full of pentagonal hollowpoints:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17545&d=1259678960

Thanks OBXPilgrim

Note that the moulds in this buy will be available with round pins only. Pentagonal pins were prototyped, and a good pentagonal hollowpoint is not feasible because of the nose configuration of the H&G #68. Sorry for any inconvenience. H. C.

[Snoopz]

Sign me up, might as well go broke...should of never got back into reloading and casting, then found this place..this isn't looking good for the wallet...


.452 Size all the pins..please

Thanks much appreciated Snoopz ...

Krantzent at googlemail dot com

[rxp46]

Put me on the list for a .454 HP with all the pins.

janhagemans at hetnet dot nl

gr jan

[LabGuy]

Man I hope this isn't due the same time as the other 45 HP, I'm in.

0.454 all pins

LCEL at hotmail dot com

[Ozarklongshot]

Ok I can,t take it no more, I surrender
If it's not to late, I'm in
.452 all pins please

Stoneaxe42 at Yahoo dot com

[HenryC460]

LabGuy, Ozarklongshot:

You're in.

It's not too late yet, but it will be soon.

[Cord]

Henry, you are doing a Great Job on these Group buys.
I'm in on this one, thanks for the chance.
.454 plus all available pins
denbay29 at sbcglobal dot net
.

[btreanor]

I would like one of these, too! I would like the 0.452 with both pins.

e-mail: btreanor at hotmail dot com

Thanks!

[HenryC460]

Thanks Cord.

You and btreanor are in.

[mstarling]

Henry,

Found my old Lyman 358477 4 gang mould that I thought I was going to have to replace ... so have a little extra money ... please change my order to include all pins. Thank you!

Mike

[HenryC460]

Hi Mike,

You are "both pins" order #25.

And I have somewhat discouraging news for 25 of you all. Miha is coming to the conclusion that a good pentagonal hollow point is not feasible for this boolit. The small nose on the H&G #68 appears to be the problem. Round hollow points are still a "go."

I had hoped the pentagonals would fly, and I did sell the pentagonals kinda hard to make sure that the number of orders (somewhat more than 15) wouldn't be the reason these didn't work out. I'm sorry if my working up your interest is causing you extra disappointment.

Ultimately, geometry and the laws of nature were against the pentagonal design, and it's very much looking as if geometry and the laws of nature are winning this one.

Miha will post on this topic.

[mstarling]

RATS .... where did the pics of the 5 pointed flower come from? Someone made it work.

[hicard]

Ok by me, I was thinking that the penta pins would be difficult so onward and upward.

[Maximumbob54]

I know I'm not alone in the penta pins sticking to the bullets. Nothing I do seems to keep working. All the little tips and tricks I have read here work for a while and then stop. I even tried spraying them with Frankford Arsenal drop spray which seemed to work the best. I removed the pins so I didn't spray the brass at all. I far prefer the round pins. Maybe if the penta pins had more of a taper to them. I don't know really.

[MiHec]

RATS .... where did the pics of the 5 pointed flower come from? Someone made it work.

Pictures are from .452-200 HP boolit

[MiHec]

About penta pins for this one:

Pins are to small to produce. Even with round pins I have to shorten the base for 0,015 inch to get the desired 185 gn.

So with this mold you will get round and blank pins. (No extra cost)

[HenryC460]

RATS .... where did the pics of the 5 pointed flower come from? Someone made it work.

Hi Mike,

Miha made it work with that particular bullet. The thing about the #68 is its long, conical, small-pointed nose. Those other bullets had a wider nose and (please forgive my lack of vocabulary) a rounded convex ogive.

I am sorry about those pictures. I ought to have been clear that the availability of pentagonals was subject to feasibility of design as well as a minimum number of orders, and I don't think I was.

[mstarling]

Henry,

Ah ... I do understand better now. I did think the question was a rational one given what had been posted.

Can you tell me if the bullet produced by the 200 gr HP mold feeds in a ramped 1911 barrel?

Hate to back out on a buy ... not done it before and it is a very uncomfortable thing to do, but the 200 gr HP is being rerun now and looks close to closing.

Thanks,

Mike

[Maximumbob54]

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/Maximumbob54/2011-06-04_12-12-08_605.jpg

So far yes. I have tried them in my Colt 1991A1 and my Para LDA. And they are more acurate than I am. I am still tumble lubing or dipping them though.

[mstarling]

Henry,

Please withdraw me from this group buy then. With my sincere apologies!

Mike

[HenryC460]

Henry,

Please withdraw me from this group buy then. With my sincere apologies!

Mike

Mike,

I've got no hard feelings, and I don't think anyone has any.

You initially signed up for a pentagonal point, and those just don't work for this design. Unfortunately, that wasn't known until the prototype stage.

I'll take you off the list, and I'm glad there's a pentagonal buy open for you.

H. C.

[hicard]

Mike, you will love those 200 gr rn hp/penta boolits, I have that mold and love it. I wanted this one too and it should be a real shooter with round hp's too.

[phaessler]

Henry,
Please withdraw me from this buy , they cut our overtime out completely, a.k.a "play money", and dont want to stretch it to thin now.
Sorry for any inconvienence.
Thanks
phaessler

Pete

[Cord]

This development is completely understandable, if disappointing.
I have the .452-200 RNHP/Penta, and like hicard says, it is great.
I recommend owning both if you can.

The acknowledgement of this problem, and the offer of the flat pins
at no charge, is an indication of Miha’s commitment to making
not only the best possible moulds, but the happiest customers too .

I hope the round HP cavity is as large and deep as possible,
as this will need to work at slightly above target velocities.

Whatever, I’m still in.

[DDriller]

I also am going to withdraw at this time.

[HDS]

I am still in, I only wanted a normal HP anyway. My primary reasons for going with a HP capable HG #68 over the solid was that I could vary between 200 and 185gr, and the better accuracy a HP gives you and safety improvement when shooting steel ofcourse. Don't need or want penta pins for that.

[Dirtdgger]

I'm still in! round pins are fine with me. I'll spend the money on another set of handles.

[LabGuy]

I'm still in also! I can live with just round pins.

[L1A1Rocker]

Still in.

[Cast of Thousands]

Sign me up:

I want a hollowpoint 452 and round pins
Cast of Thousands

[HenryC460]

Sign me up:

I want a hollowpoint 452 and round pins
Cast of Thousands

You're in. #24.

[btreanor]

I'm still in- the round pins are fine with me.

Thanks,

Bill

[gvrj]

I'm still in! Let's do this!! Round pins all the way.

[rintinglen]

I've no use for the penta points any way--they are harder to cast with, so I am still in.

[Aaron]

I am still in

Aaron

[Salmon-boy]

Round pins are fine by me...

[Ozarklongshot]

I'm still in too

[Valley Forge]

I'm still in.

[BoolitBill]

Since everybody else is letting you know, then I am also still in

[Viagrow]

I am still in...

[Visible Miss]

I'm still in, too.

[HDS]

Is that what this group buy is waiting for? I thought it would have been closed by now.

[HenryC460]

Is that what this group buy is waiting for? I thought it would have been closed by now.

We're not waiting to hear back from buyers. As I understand it, the moulds are being made, and the closing notice is imminent. I'll ask Miha anyhow.

[HenryC460]

We're not waiting to hear back from buyers. As I understand it, the moulds are being made, and the closing notice is imminent. I'll ask Miha anyhow.

But meanwhile, the buy is still open, so anybody who would like a gorgeous 4-cavity brass H&G #68 type mould that casts plain base solid point and hollowpoint boolits (comes with both sets of pins), comes with a matched nose punch and wrenches, and can be had in 0.452" or 0.454" diameter, you can still sign up here.

[Maximumbob54]

May I please add a set of mold handles to my order?

[HenryC460]

May I please add a set of mold handles to my order?

Handles added.

[HenryC460]

Everyone,

This is the one-week warning. This buy will close next Saturday.

[gaperry59]

Please add me for .452 if not too late, round pins are fine.

ga perry 59 at embarq mail dot com

[T-Town Assassin]

Can you put me down for one of these in 452 please. anthony dot festa at hotmail dot com

[FLYBOY]

I would be in for one 454 . Let me know. rocrook at lexcominc.com

[sza]

Please put me down for one in .452 and a set of handles. burch at offline dot org

[rintinglen]

just to make sure I'm in and get invoiced, my email is ghoglin at hotmail dot com. The "mr" does not belong in the address.

[HenryC460]

LAST CALL!

This being Saturday, it's the last day this buy is open. If you want one, sign up now. Tomorrow morning, the CLOSED sign will be hung.

[Shakey Jakey]

Please remove my name from the list. Thanks

[HenryC460]

Closed

I will forward the list to Miha. You will get an invoice shortly. After that, you will get a beautiful brass mould that casts four boolits in the H&G #68 profile with solid or hollow points (depending on which pins you install) every time you pour lead in it.

Note added 11/14/11:

Well, we're going to re-open it for a little bit.

So this buy is actually...

Still Active

[Rick B]

Will take post # 131's mold if its available. .452 w/round pins. hplongrange at gmail dot com. Thanks

[HenryC460]

Will take post # 131's mold if its available. .452 w/round pins. hplongrange at gmail dot com. Thanks

Rick,

You're in.

All,

I've asked for this thread to be moved to Completed Group Buys, and I have (today) finished checking and correcting the list and sent the list to Miha. You will soon have invoices and beautiful brass Cramer-type moulds.

Thanks everyone.

[rintinglen]

Hi there,--I still haven't got an invoice yet. Are they being sent out? There was a problem with my order last time.

[sza]

I haven't received an invoice either, and was wondering when I should expect one. Just in case there's a problem with my email or something.

[HDS]

I contacted Miha recently about buying some runovers from another groupbuy and I got the impression the H&G 68s are kind of behind in the queue. Seems like there's a lot going on right now.

Also hi sza, long time since you've been in #tfr ;)

[Viagrow]

I am also waiting for my invoice. I wonder when the molds will start shipping...

[HenryC460]

Hi all,

I'll see if I can find some information for you. I know from communicating with Miha that he's usually busy and sometimes I've waited a while to hear back.

[Maximumbob54]

Is this that time of year when most of the EU takes vacation? If so I bet it's heck getting anything done.

[HDS]

That's usually in August for the continent (July up here in the nordics). I think.

But in the other group buys I've read about delays with the pins.

[HenryC460]

Hi there,--I still haven't got an invoice yet. Are they being sent out? There was a problem with my order last time.

Wrong email address, right? We figured out that wasn't Miha's doing.

I just wanted to make sure the record's straight about that.

[HDS]

Wait. Are invoices going out now?

Edit: Ah, an earlier buy, too quick on the post button there...

[ecomm123]

Ecomm123 ......ecomm711 at maierassociates dot com 452 w/ handles round pins
Ecomm123 ......ecomm711 at maierassociates dot com 452 w/ handles round pins
Miha refereed met this buy. I'd like 2 molds with handles

Tx Ecomm

[shooter3gun]

mjkpa at comcast dot net 452 round pins w/handles

[GregBCE]

GregBCE ... GregBCE at verizon dot net .452 w/handles.
I would like 2 molds with handles.

Thanks
GregBCE

[HDS]

How can you sign up for a closed buy?

[Rick B]

PM Miha at MP Molds, he makes extra's. I have purchased several this way in the past.

[HDS]

Yes so did I. But I had to wait until after the group buy was done and everyone who had signed up got theirs.

I could not sign up on an already closed buy, I mean they close for a reason. It just strikes me as rude to jump in like this after it's been closed. It's another thing to take it to PM with miha...

[shooter3gun]

It's what Miha told us to do after PM with him. Not to be rude.

[HDS]

Ooh ok, now I'm on the same page.

[hicard]

Miha, I have not received my invoice yet. Am I just too anxious? Are invoices out yet? hicardattheskybeamdotcom

[HenryC460]

I have heard back from Miha (actually, he sent me a PM 4 days ago; he's not the only one who's crazy busy lately) and I can confirm that this buy will be OPENed for a little bit longer. Miha has said we can accept a few more orders. I'll keep track in this thread.

H. C.

[HenryC460]

I have the list updated, and I'm going to ask the administrators to move this buy back to Active Group Buys, for a short time only, and then it will be moved back to Closed Group Buys, when it closes again.

H. C.

[Viagrow]

Any idea when we the molds will start shipping?

[HenryC460]

I know that Triggerhappy's big 45-200 buy is being invoiced and shipped now. That moves this buy up one notch. That's all I know now.

[shooter3gun]

can I add one more to my order?
shooter3gun.....mjkpa at comcast dot net 452 round pins w/handles

[HenryC460]

can I add one more to my order?
shooter3gun.....mjkpa at comcast dot net 452 round pins w/handles

You've got it. We're still Active until we close again.

[Village Idiot]

If its still open put me in for 454 with standard pins

krzin at yahoo dot com

[bhardy57]

If it's not to late put me in for 452
bhardy991 at fuse dot net

[Village Idiot]

I am 48 on the list. Appologies got my email wrong. It should be krzin08 at yahoo dot com. Sorry, fairly new email and forgot the 08.

[bhardy57]

I need to drop off the list. #50 Sorry.
I was able to get one of MiHec's H&G #68 4 Cavity Brass 452 200gr SWC over runs.

[Paul105]

If this is still open, I'll take one mold .452"

paul {summers} 105 (at) msn \dot\ com

Thanks,

Paul

[HenryC460]

If this is still open, I'll take one mold .452"

paul {summers} 105 (at) msn \dot\ com

Thanks,

Paul

Hi Paul,

You've now got slot #50. Is the first part of your address all one word (up to the "at" part)?

[Paul105]

Yes, all one phrase up to the "at".

Thanks,

Paul

[dagunnut]

Leave my order #31 as listed.

[358wcf]

Can't believe I almost missed this one!
.452 diameter, please-
CV cooks (all one word) at astound dot net

many thanks!
358wcf Chuck

[Live2Ride]

I would like to be placed on the list, if still open.

dan underscore harben at msn dot com

454 diam.

:cbpour:

Thanks,
Dan

[chprplt]

I'm number 7 on the list. Please change my order from one (1) mold to two (2) molds. Thank you.

[rintinglen]

any word yet on when this one will close? I wax anxious.

[coloraydo]

I would like to get in on this if still open, 0.452 diameter.
vannatta at centurytel dot net

Thanks

[Viagrow]

Anyone have any pictures of how close the "Mihec Hollow Point (Cramer) Brass 4-Cavity H&G #68 .45" is to the original H&G#68 hear the Mihec is a "perfect" clone, unlike other brands?

Any pictures would be greatly appreciated. Very anxious for this buy to close for production.

[Viagrow]

Please increase my order to 2 (two) units, same specs as my original order. I hope this moves us a little closer to ending the buy.

[DukeInMaine]

The number of molds has nothing to do with when they get done, per se. This buy is well past the minimum number to get the mold on the production schedule.

I heard from Miha a couple of weeks ago, and he said that this mold and my 380/makarov mold will both go onto the CNC machine at the same time (same set up, he suggests), and that would be VERY SOON NOW.

I'm almost expecting a CLOSE BUY message from Miha any day.

The difference between the HP and the original H&G68 are obvious. However, when you turn the pins over to make a solid nose with this mold, there will be a slightly different nose transition (not a true curve) from the angle to the face of the bullet. This one will be a bit more of a sharp edge.

[HenryC460]

Hi all,

I'm also expecting this one to close soon. I'll have the list up to date soon (been busy).

[cef]

I would like to be placed on the list for one, if still open.
.452 diameter

cnfaber at evertek dot net

Thanks

[HDS]

The difference between the HP and the original H&G68 are obvious. However, when you turn the pins over to make a solid nose with this mold, there will be a slightly different nose transition (not a true curve) from the angle to the face of the bullet. This one will be a bit more of a sharp edge.

IIRC we will get flat pins with this mold so we won't have to tip the normal pins over, but the nose transition issue will remain. I do not know if that will have any effect on the ballistics and feeding of the bullet?

[DukeInMaine]

The difference between the TRUE H&G #68 version that Miha made a couple of months ago, and this one are really minor. You wouldn't see any feeding problems at all. If you had the two castings side by side, you'd know which was which.

But if you showed someone one of these solids by itself, they'd likely think it was just a #68.

Of course, those who buy this mold instead of the solid only #68 mold that was run a few months ago, get the ability to also make the HP version of the boolit. Everyone who gets this mold will be delighted.

[rintinglen]

Having had the solid nose one for months now, I'll really be delighted to get this one. I am getting impatient. I want it now, I want it now, I want it now...It's embarassing for a 58 year old to whine like this.

[Maximumbob54]

Having had the solid nose one for months now, I'll really be delighted to get this one. I am getting impatient. I want it now, I want it now, I want it now...It's embarassing for a 58 year old to whine like this.

Why, if you never grow old then you will last that much longer and actually enjoy doing so. Just an observation from my perspective.

Besides, I want it too, I want it too!!!

[Ozarklongshot]

This will be the 3rd MiHec mold I've gotten. Got the other two within the last month. I love them!!! I still can hardly wait for this one. While we're all standing here, I was wondering what are some of the ways you get these new molds past the wife. I mean I have three and I want more...badly!! I just need knew ideas to present on why I have to have more of them:D

[Pystis]

I'll take one at .452 with handles.

mutalakalkku(at)hotmail dot com

Send pm regarding the shipping.

[HenryC460]

We're next to be machined. You may have heard this before, but Last Call.

At about this time tomorrow, the buy will be closed, and soon after, you will be getting your moulds.

[MANGYCOYOTE]

OK "last call" maybe I'll be the last one in to buy!
1 mould at .452"
thanks!
deedonc at yahoo dot com

[HenryC460]

OK "last call" maybe I'll be the last one in to buy!
1 mould at .452"
thanks!
deedonc at yahoo dot com

Indeed you are.

This buy is now closed. If any of you have missed the boat, keep an eye on this thread (which will be moved to the Closed Buy forum probably late this week). Miha always makes some extras, and when he announces they are available, you can grab one then.

[Elkins45]

Dang it! Missed out by a day! I would love to have one of these in .452 if there are any extras.

[mstarling]

Oh my! Now I figure out the H&G 68 is definitely worth buying ... and the buy is closed. Rats!

Oh well ...

Mihec's molds really are something else! Superb quality.

[rintinglen]

Has anybody got an invoice yet? I'm still waiting ( meanwhile pouring pounds of the plain nose ones from my previously purchased 68 H&G plain base).

[shooter3gun]

no invoice here, yet.

[Maximumbob54]

I have read several times on other threads that when the buy closes, all that means is that there is a set number of parts to be ordered for the molds. They are usually in need of machining and final assembly still for a few weeks. I would guess we won't see invoices for around a month still.

[HenryC460]

Miha tells me that he will begin machining these moulds this week.

I'm going to have this thread moved over to "Close Group Buys"

[L1A1Rocker]

Cool, looking forward to this one, again.

[thegreatdane]

Oh my! Now I figure out the H&G 68 is definitely worth buying ... and the buy is closed. Rats!

Oh well ...

Mihec's molds really are something else! Superb quality.

Same here.

[rintinglen]

any word yet? I'm still waiting on an invoice--hope nothing has gone wrong.

[MiHec]

Any day now.....

I'm machining cavities as we speak

[MiHec]

Molds are finished. Some pictures will follow.....

Expect first invoices on Monday.

[shaggyant]

Thanks Miha, I await your invoice.

[hicard]

No doubt they will be works of art shaggyant.

[coaldust]

Received my mold today (saturday) and it is a work of art.
This is my first Mihlec mold but it will not be my last.

[MiHec]

Received my mold today (saturday) and it is a work of art.
This is my first Mihlec mold but it will not be my last.

Wrong thread (this picture) :razz::razz::razz:

[MiHec]

Some pictures of HG#68 Hollow point.
It casts 182 gn unlubed with WW alloy.


First invoices are out!

[HDS]

Absolutely gorgeous! Got my invoice a few minutes ago.

[Cord]

Outstanding, looks even better than I hoped!
Got my invoice just now and promptly paid it.
Great job Miha, Thank you!!
.

[L1A1Rocker]

Great! Eagerly awaiting my invoice.

[Valley Forge]

Invoice received and paid. Miha, if you have any of the 44 cal 200gr HP left, I'd like to order one please.

[shooter3gun]

FYI, Just got my invoices.

[Elkins45]

Got my invoice this morning--can't wait to try this mold!

[hicard]

I'm third on the list, no invoice yet. Looks great, can't wait. Got my invoice this am. Thanks Miha for another great piece of art. Can't just call it a boolit mould.

[coloraydo]

Just received my invoice, promptly paid. Looking forward to trying my hand at h/p casting.

[Visible Miss]

Invoice received, payment sent. And now the wait begins.

[MiHec]

All invoices are out!



If you missing one - check your spam folder or PM me with your e-maill address

[Pystis]

Paid.

[mold maker]

Invoice received and payment sent. Just in time for Spring shooting.

[Viagrow]

Received my invoices..

Full payment made via PP.....

[Viagrow]

I can't wait for my molds to arrive. Can anybody pass along a good reload recipe they intend to try with these boolits? I have high hopes these boolits will be good shooters...

[hicard]

I am going to try 7.0 grs of Unique and shoot it into wet sand to test expansion. If they blow apart, I might download a bit until the bullets stay together and mushroom good.

[BoolitBill]

Well, I got my mold today! It looks beautiful as all of Mihec's molds do. Won't be able to cast for a few weeks though, but I thought I would let you all know that they are arriving. A big thanks to HenryC460 for being the honcho for this buy!

[Pystis]

I got mine today.
Looks nice, I can't wait getting to cast some!

[midnight]

I received mine today too. It's going through a few heat cycles now.

Bob

[FLYBOY]

I still have not received my invoice yet.

[hicard]

Got mine today, thanks again Miha. Looks beautiful. Got to make some beautiful boolits with it.

[shooter3gun]

Just received molds. Beautiful work. Thanks Miha

[coloraydo]

Got mine today. Pure work of art. Almost hate to use it, Buuuuuuut.... I bet I can convince myself to. Thanks, Miha.

[Ozarklongshot]

:-( Maybe tomorrow:-(

[Viagrow]

By what method are the molds shipping?

[MiHec]

By what method are the molds shipping?

By priority post.
Shipping is "sign for". It will be white box 16x12x5 cm with big green sticker on it.

[mold maker]

I had to go sign for it at the PO. As usual it is a work of art, deserving a framed showcase. But alas it is storming today and I can't cast.
My next open date is next Monday, if I can just wait that long.

[Elkins45]

Got mine today and it is beautiful. Can't wait to try it out.

[Ozarklongshot]

Got mine today and it was every bit the beauty I expected and then some!!!

Thanks Miha and Henry!![smilie=w:

[Valley Forge]

Thanks Miha, Got mine and gonna try 'em today.

[Viagrow]

I received my Packages. The molds look very nice...........

Thanks.

[Elkins45]

I finally got the chance to cast a few with my mold yesterday. Other than the fact it is so heavy it is an absolute joy to use. Once it came up to temp the boolets just fell out when I turned the mold over. I can't wait to see how these shoot.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/elkins_pix/Mihec68.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/elkins_pix/can.jpg

[MiHec]

I still have some of this molds. PM me if you like to have one....

[Maximumbob54]

Can someone please point me to loading data for these? They seem to seat as deep as a 200gr but mine are all dropping at 186-187gr. But if I use 185gr data then that seems like too much powder.

[HDS]

Are they dropping at that weight using the hollow point config or the flat point? Just curious since my HP bullets where more like 182 grains and my flat points where 190gr. But I might have used a tin rich alloy at the time. Need to put in some pure lead next time. I was planning to go after the 200gr SWC loads myself.

[midnight]

My HPs dropped at 184gr +/- 1.0 with my WW with about 8oz tin added to a 20lb pot. I believe Miha got 182gr. Havn't cast any solids yet.

Bob

[Maximumbob54]

Loaded up the first test run with 5.5gr of Win 231 for some fun this weekend. I did a pound of lead to twenty pounds of lead. I think when the pot goes half empty I'm going to just add lead and see if that does any different. For now here is what I have:

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/Maximumbob54/2012-04-18_18-16-21_939.jpg

[HDS]

My HPs dropped at 184gr +/- 1.0 with my WW with about 8oz tin added to a 20lb pot. I believe Miha got 182gr. Havn't cast any solids yet.

Bob

I cast some solids last weekend with a very lean alloy (3 parts pure lead 1 part WW) and those solids came to 196-197 grains. With that alloy I had to cast really hot to get any decent results, and I had to wait a good 5-10 seconds before cutting the sprue, waiting another 5 seconds was a good move as well because the bullets needed to wait before dropping easily.

[MiHec]

I still have some of this molds (as cast diam is .454). PM me if you like to have one....

[Forrest r]

Mihec I would like to buy one of these molds in .454

forresth at windstream dot net

[L1A1Rocker]

Mihec I would like to buy one of these molds in .454

forresth at windstream dot net

Shoot Miha a PM on this, he doesn't always watch the older threads.

[Forrest r]

Thankyou, I shot him a pm yesterday. Must be pretty busy, if I don't here anything I'll try again in a couple of days.

[Elkins45]

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/elkins_pix/Mihec68.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm35/elkins_pix/can.jpg

I finally got a chance to shoot some of these yesterday in front of 5.5 grains of Titegroup. 50 rounds made a big ragged hole at 25 yards. Needless to say I am quite satisfied!