Thinking of a nice HP mold for my 45acp any advice?

[tayous1]

I have not cast much but I have been thinking about spending a little more money for a mold to cast 230gr HP for my XD45 but I have a few questions about it first that I know you all can help me out with.


1. How well do these casted HP expand?

2. Would you use the casted HP's over non casted HP's if you needed to use the round for protection?


Any other advice would be great! I'm going to load up my first casts tonight and see how they shoot at the range.

[fredj338]

Not quite 230gr but these work fine. Dependign on alloy & HP design, expansion can be quite good down to 750fps or so. Bullets tend to frag & come apart above 1000fps, so a LHP in the 45acp is just about perfect form 200gr-240gr. The Lyman 45DEv makes a 200gr LHP form 25-1 alloy & expands quite nicely down to 800fps. This one shown is the same mold modified by Erik @ HPMS to the 5pt HP. It does better at higher vel as you can see. Mihec makes a sim mold in brass. If I was going to handload a LHP for SD, it would be this one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/45-215gr.jpg

[Blammer]

NOE mould for "230gr ball" this is from an RG2, it wt's 185gr. From my 3" kimber doing 750 fps

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/DSCN8033.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/45ACP/DSCN8032.jpg

[RobS]

BABore, forum member here: http://www.brp.castpics.net/



BRP's 453640 with a huge HP. 238 grains

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BPR230HP-1.jpg

I lost a chunk of the expansion due to the boolit hitting the edge of my metal trap but the largest diameter of the expansion was .800 IIRC.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/200gr805010BHNWW-1Sn.jpg

I had him make me a 4 cavity mold but he can make you a two cavity or even a single if your prefer.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Side-HP-1.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Bottom.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BRP453640HPmold.jpg

[white eagle]

that looks alot like my N.O.E. 230 gr hp mold

[geargnasher]

Lyman 452374HP, single cavity, 203 grains from straight WW, seems to be the norm for this mould even though it's advertized to be a 180 grainer.

I apologize for the stupidly huge photo, it's an old attachment I have before I learned to take smaller photos.

Gear

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20388&d=1267418624

[MtGun44]

Mihec's 200 HP is my most accurate .45 ACP boolit now.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=161&pictureid=2905

Penetration in wet newsprint is half of penetration in ballistic gelatin.

Bill

[gray wolf]

As Burt Gummer from Tremors would say,

" Any questions ? "

[tayous1]

BABore, forum member here: http://www.brp.castpics.net/



BRP's 453640 with a huge HP. 238 grains

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BPR230HP-1.jpg

I lost a chunk of the expansion due to the boolit hitting the edge of my metal trap but the largest diameter of the expansion was .800 IIRC.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/200gr805010BHNWW-1Sn.jpg

I had him make me a 4 cavity mold but he can make you a two cavity or even a single if your prefer.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Side-HP-1.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Bottom.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BRP453640HPmold.jpg

That looks like what I'm looking for if you don't mind me asking how much did it cost?

[RobS]

Bruce's prices are on his order page.

http://www.brp.castpics.net/Orders.html

His work is excellent and his customer service is great; very knowledgeable individual.

If you are interested or would like to talk directly to him about things here is his forum link:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/member.php?u=402

Feel free to PM me as well if you have questions.

[Von Dingo]

Mihec's 200 HP is my most accurate .45 ACP boolit now.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=161&pictureid=2905

Penetration in wet newsprint is half of penetration in ballistic gelatin.

Bill

They are doing a re-run of this, with a four cavity mold


http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=114718

[fredj338]

Mihec's 200 HP is my most accurate .45 ACP boolit now.

Penetration in wet newsprint is half of penetration in ballistic gelatin.

Bill
Not to pick knits, but I find wetpack about 2/3 the penetration of balisticgel. Most of my LHP won't stop in 9" of wetpack. I make sure it's really soaking wet.

[Blammer]

mine was shot into gallon water jugs, as I recall it was recovered in the second one.

[RobS]

Blammer's post reminded me that I too shot into water jugs; 18" of jugged water to be exact and the boolit made its way through them then clipped the side of my metal trap before working into about 1/8" or so of wet cardboard pieces.

[tayous1]

BABore, forum member here: http://www.brp.castpics.net/



BRP's 453640 with a huge HP. 238 grains

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BPR230HP-1.jpg

I lost a chunk of the expansion due to the boolit hitting the edge of my metal trap but the largest diameter of the expansion was .800 IIRC.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/200gr805010BHNWW-1Sn.jpg

I had him make me a 4 cavity mold but he can make you a two cavity or even a single if your prefer.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Side-HP-1.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/Bottom.jpg

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/RobS01/BRP453640HPmold.jpg

What kind of lube do you use on that boolite? I'm looking at buying on of the molds just like yours right now I'm using the Lee tumble lube would that work on this boolite?

[cbrick]

Hey Gear,

Cropped picture.

Sorry, couldn't help my self.

Rick

[cbrick]

1. How well do these casted HP expand?

2. Would you use the casted HP's over non casted HP's if you needed to use the round for protection?

HP expansion is a direct result of alloy and velocity at impact.

In the first photo is Lyman 45 200 Gr. Devastator fired straight down into 3 feet of water @ 800 fps. The alloy is SWW +2% Sn @ about 7-8 BHN. Water is a much harder medium than a game animal or a person in a defensive situation. This test was done to determine how well the alloy would stay together. No doubt all of this expansion occured at or very near the surface of the water.

In the second photo is SAECO 068 200 Gr. SWC cast of SWW +2% Sn @ 7-8 BHN fired straight down into water @ 800 fps. 068 had enough momentum (energy) left after traveling through 3 feet of water to hit the steel plate on the bottom of the drum and do this.

I developed the HP load as a defensive load specifically to limit penetration of walls etc.

Rick

[geargnasher]

Thx, Rick. BTW, my Devastator was from COWW +2% Sn, air cooled, it was a soft batch of WW at about 11 bhn if I remember correctly, my notes are at home. I do remember it being in the 830-40 fps arena, fired into two blocks of clay at 15 yards. Recovered it in the second block. I like this boolit because it will deliver almost all of its energy to the target, and if it does happen to go clear through the target, there won't be much left to do collateral damage.

Gear

I just figured the energy of the devastator at 840 fps, it's 313 ft/lbs. I can swing a 5-lb sledgehammer at about 30 fps, and if I squared someone in the chest with it that would only be 50 lb/ft of energy. Even if the HP doesn't penetrate clothing, how strong are a person's ribs?

[MT Gianni]

Sorry Rick, what does the S stand for? Soft? Straight? Or something else I can't seem to register.

[geargnasher]

Stick-on, the only thing that would be 7-8 bhn air cooled with a pinch of tin.

Gear

[cbrick]

Sorry Rick, what does the S stand for? Soft? Straight? Or something else I can't seem to register.

Sorry, that's how all my notes are and I didn't stop to think others are using something else. Also how my ingots are marked.

CWW = Clip on Wheel Weights.
SWW = Stick on Wheel weights.

Rick

[RobS]

What kind of lube do you use on that boolite? I'm looking at buying on of the molds just like yours right now I'm using the Lee tumble lube would that work on this boolite?

Sorry I missed your post.

I used traditional lubes and the particular one you see up in the pic I posted was back when I used some of LARS or White Label Lubes and have since switched over to making my own lube now-a-days. I don't know how the boolit would do with a tumble lube since I've never used the lube on this one. Boolit fit or making sure the boolit is leaving the case at your intended diameter (.001-.002 over groove diameter) will be a large factor in keeping any boolit, tumble lube or traditional design, from leading or having poor accuracy. You'll have to try and see and many here use TL on traditional designs with success so it may very well be feasible.