How about 7mm Louverin? [Archive]

Ed in North Texas

04-06-2011, 12:55 PM

I might spring for this, and/or a Loverin even longer and heavier - like a 287221 in 175 grain and modified for a GC for older, pre-spitzer 7x57 rifles like my Remington 1910. Love the Loverin designs.

Ed in North Texas

04-06-2011, 12:57 PM

Change that to I would, not might, go for a multi-cavity mould.

SwedeNelson

04-06-2011, 03:58 PM

We can do brass.
Just take 15 of you that wanted it.

Swede Nelson

Ed in North Texas

04-06-2011, 06:18 PM

Just to make sure I'm not misunderstood, I wasn't asking for brass. Aluminum will do just fine as long as it is a 4 cavity. This is probably superfluous, but better to be sure.

I was about to say "Let me make this perfectly clear", but I realized these days that would indicate that I intended to muddy the waters.

SwedeNelson

04-06-2011, 06:39 PM

Ed

No problem.
Was directing my comment more to the post's before yours.

All I like to do is sale bullet moulds, brass, aluminum makes
no never mind to us.
Swede Nelson

Blammer

04-06-2011, 06:44 PM

oooooooooooo! Brass! :)

verney

04-06-2011, 10:22 PM

Ed in North Texas

04-07-2011, 06:29 AM

That would be very nice in 7mm Mausers also but too heavy for my 7mm TCU pistol.

You are correct about the Mausers, and I think my Encore 7-08 would like it too, though that is a pretty short neck for that long a boolit and I'm not sure about the chamber and throat configuration for that long a boolit. I'd like to find out!

Ed

Doc Highwall

04-07-2011, 11:07 AM

I just received my NOE 311365 two cavity brass mould today and it just makes me want to have more brass moulds.

bearcove

04-09-2011, 06:11 PM

Yeah I got a 311284 and 460330 RG2 in brass.

LOVE that color! But I can't afford any more of those for a while

tonyjones

04-22-2011, 12:53 PM

I think this will work great in my 7x57R. Surely we have more than the five shooters here who've expressed interest that need a new mould for their "7mm something".

Tony

475BH

04-22-2011, 04:15 PM

If it will be a loverin, how about making it an adjustable single cavity?:bigsmyl2:
EDIT: I just looked at the print again, and noticed it is tapered.
Can that bullet be made w/o a taper and adjustable?

Simular to the mold below, except for lube grooves ofcourse.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/sbhg/CFmTjLwWkKGrHqMOKjsE0W89QdotBNVq7CUHg_3.jpg

Hardcast416taylor

04-23-2011, 01:05 PM

Is there a list starting for a GB of this mold? You can put me down for a 150 gr. GC 3 cavity.Robert

tonyjones

04-23-2011, 07:31 PM

Here is the list as I see it (so far). I'll try to keep it updated. Since this is a discussion thread I'll note individual interest in 286407. We can get more specific if/when this becomes an active buy. If I miss someone just say so here.

1) verney
2) bwgdog
3) dromia
4) Ed in North Texas
5) birdadly
6) 6.5 mike
7) redneckdan
8) tonyjones
9) tonyjones
10) bearcove
11) bearcove
12) Nrut
13) 725
14) greywuuf
15) Duett (PB)

dromia

05-01-2011, 10:59 AM

TTT methinks. :mrgreen:

Hamish

05-01-2011, 11:37 AM

That would be very nice in 7mm Mausers also but too heavy for my 7mm TCU pistol.

Pretty sure that this boolit would work fine in your 7TCU, 175's in copper clad work well for me.

Gentlemen, Swede say's that it could spec. as a TC also, am I correct that as a TC it might allow deeper seating in the throat?

6.5 mike

05-01-2011, 11:50 PM

I'm in for a 2 cav G/C. :Fire:

atr

05-02-2011, 09:19 AM

I have a Lovern mold at 150gr and its a great design.. and shoot very accurate in my 7x57

I would be interested in a similiar design in a heavier weight....say 160 to 175
atr

tonyjones

05-13-2011, 07:47 PM

Six are interested. We need nine more.

Tony

Bullshop

05-13-2011, 08:20 PM

I am trying to like it but something dont seem right about it.
That .267" nose portion seems undersized to me. There wont be any support for the nose section until you get to the fourth driving band especially in worn milsurp barrels. That seems to me too long a section to be unsupported unless we are looking at it for black powder.
Am I out of line here? I am thinking about the board rules of not criticizing someones sale. That is not my intent at all. I hope the idea is to generate some chatter and blend ideas to come up with the best possible.
Not to say that my ideas are best but just sharing mine.
I cant help wondering if I am ruffling some feathers when I think out loud on these designs.

Nrut

05-13-2011, 10:54 PM

verny,
What cartridge were you plan on using the proposed boolit in?
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edit 5/14.. sorry verny, just now re-reading this thread I see that you are wanting a mold for your 7 TCU..
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tonyjones

05-14-2011, 07:07 AM

I am not a machinist but I wonder; couldn't the orbit of the cutting tool (cherry) be adjusted at the tool head so that cavities could be cut to the dimensions shown on Swede's drawing OR larger in the alternative? NOE has an active buy going right now for .311/.314/.316299.

I have yet to slug my bore or take any measurements of the neck/throat area of my chamber. However, it is a new, custom Dakota Model 10 in 7x57R with a Douglas stainless match barrel with a chamber cut toward the minimum end of SAAMI specs. I suspect that the dimensions shown on Al's drawing will work out well in my rifle.

Perhaps this design, offered in differing dimensions is the answer. Hopefully, Al will see this and weigh in on what he can/will do.

Regards,

Tony

Bullshop

05-14-2011, 08:31 AM

Tony
I think your rifle will be the exception rather than the rule. Sure sounds like a nice rifle though.
My purpose would not be so specific but a general use. It would go into our inventory and most likely used to fill orders for folks with 7x57 milsurp rifles.

SwedeNelson

05-14-2011, 08:47 AM

Bullshop

That's what this thread if for. All comments welcome.
Starting at the nose, the nose is .267, next three bands are bore riders .277
and the next five band are body bands .286.
We can hold the BR bands larger if needed.
The nose and body bands would increase the same amount.
What is the BR dimension you are looking for?

Swede Nelson

Bullshop

05-14-2011, 09:09 AM

I was not thinking anything specific but thinking about the overly generous throats and lead of some 7x57 milsurps I have known.

redneckdan

05-14-2011, 01:32 PM

I would be down for this buy, 150 or 175 gr. Will be launching these out of a 7mm bellm 'tender

6.5 mike

05-14-2011, 02:00 PM

I was looking for one to use in a tang safety 77, the one I'm putting together on a 1905 DWM action, & my 7m/m tcu. Figured the 150 would work for all of mine.

Ed in North Texas

05-22-2011, 05:50 PM

Is this it? I would have thought there would be more interest in a 7mm Loverin.

kbstenberg

05-22-2011, 07:03 PM

Hey! hey! Ed not evryone has heard about this GB yet . I'd prob. be in for one.

Ed in North Texas

05-25-2011, 05:19 AM

Hey! hey! Ed not evryone has heard about this GB yet . I'd prob. be in for one.

It worked! That might have gained us one more. :drinks:

Ed

tonyjones

05-25-2011, 08:58 AM

Kevin,

Just say "I'm in" and I'll add you to the list in Post #22. This one won't ship for a while so you have plenty of time to square things with your wife.

Tony

kbstenberg

05-28-2011, 07:02 PM

Tony your such a good salesman I gota say. Put me on the list. You an Al are gona put me in the pour house.

Nrut

06-11-2011, 06:15 AM

Tony your such a good salesman I gota say. Put me on the list. You an Al are gona put me in the pour house.
I am already there (pour house :shock:)

no34570

06-13-2011, 05:38 PM

I suppose THIS one is not for a 7mm Rem Mag. :(
I have the Hunter mould,but I want another different design as well.

Ed in North Texas

06-16-2011, 06:27 PM

I am already there (pour house :shock:)

Were those ("pour" for poor) a pun? Good for a bump anyway. :?

Nrut

06-26-2011, 02:26 PM

My turn, eh Ed ?
I could get really excited about this group buy..
Would like to see it on various wts. also..
150gr.
160gr.
175gr.
:grin:

tonyjones

06-26-2011, 06:44 PM

The list is in post #22. Have I missed anyone?

Tony

Ed in North Texas

07-02-2011, 07:53 AM

Hope everyone enjoys the Independence Day celebrations.

Ed in North Texas

07-04-2011, 01:09 PM

Hope everyone enjoys the Independence Day celebrations.

And then I went and forgot our neighbors to the north. Have a great Canada Day. eh.

koehn,jim

07-04-2011, 01:54 PM

I can always use a 7mm mold for my Brazilian 1908, i would be interested in the heavy design.

tonyjones

07-04-2011, 07:20 PM

Jim,

The consensus for this discussion seems to be a copy of 286407 at 150 grains. Would you like to be added to the list?

Tony

bearcove

07-10-2011, 05:48 PM

Put me down for one. I'll start saving pennies now.

tonyjones

07-10-2011, 07:15 PM

bearcove,

You're on the list. Six more and this goes active.

Tony

Nrut

07-10-2011, 09:00 PM

Add me to your list Tony..

I see in your post #30 that you have a 7X57R..
Were did you get your brass and what brand is it?
Thanks..

tonyjones

07-11-2011, 08:30 AM

Nrut,

You are #10 on the list. 5 more and we go active.

I bought factory ammo for my 7x57R. Graf's had a sale on Hornady 7x57R ammo with the 162 grain SST at $19.95 per box of 20 IIRC, so I bought a case (10 boxes). At the same time I ordered 5 boxes of Norma with the 156 grain Oryx. I only reload ammo with brass that has been fireformed in my rifle(s) and size the minimum that will insure reliable operation.

I have seen Norma brass for sale at Midway and Graf's in the past. Lapua and Norma are my favorite brass. I base this on uniformity of dimensions, the quality of the annealing and the lack of case prep required. WARNING: They are not inexpensive.

Regards,

Tony

Nrut

07-12-2011, 08:49 AM

Thanks Tony..
I know what you mean about price as this is what I have found up here..

Hello
I have only 100 rounds left of this caliber in RWS .
200 dollars plus 15 shipping and tax 5% if you are in Canada .
Kindly
Mandy Martini >>>>>>>>> :shock::veryconfu:shock:

We now have a dealer up here that will import from Graf's as we can't order reloading components directly ourselves..
I'll check them out..

bearcove

07-17-2011, 03:24 PM

Put me down for 5 more 5cav molds so we can get on the list.

If other guys don't take my spot I'm sure I can make $30-50 profit by selling them on Fleabay.

Really!

tonyjones

07-17-2011, 05:40 PM

bearcove,

Done! You're the man. I may take one of your additional slots myself. What do you guys think of my ordering a 5 cavity and a single cavity with HP pin? Any thoughts?

Regards,

Tony

tonyjones

07-17-2011, 05:44 PM

Swede,

We have 15 signed up. See post #22 for list. Please move to Active Group Buys and place on the schedule when you have the time.

Thanks,

Tony

bearcove

07-20-2011, 01:46 PM

I don't think they are gonna let us cheat it that much Tony. I do think Ill get a 5 cavity and a single cavity. I am gonna start hollow pointing some molds on my lathe now that I got my rotary phase converter.

tonyjones

07-20-2011, 02:12 PM

List updated. We need 3 more to get in the schedule and move this to active group buys.

Tony

kbstenberg

07-28-2011, 05:05 AM

Sorry guys I have to bow out. Another mold came up that I need more.
Kevin

bwgdog

07-31-2011, 10:10 PM

Tony-You can put me down for a mold. Barry

tonyjones

08-01-2011, 08:41 AM

Barry,

You are on the list (#2). Thanks!

We have 10 signed up for 12 moulds and need 3 more.

Regards,

Tony

Hardcast416taylor

08-01-2011, 08:59 AM

Several thoughts have stampeded across my feeble mind.

1) "What design are we actually talking about? Swede`s design or someone elses? FN or RN configuration"?

2) "What weight are we talking about"?

3) "What as cast diameter are we talking about"?

4) "What material will the molds be cut from, number of cavities can be made and HP or not"?

I`m afraid I`ll need to have these questions answered before I`ll get on board for ordering.Robert

tonyjones

08-01-2011, 02:29 PM

Robert,

1) We are talking about Swede's design. Please see his drawing in post #3.
2) The weight will be +/- 150 grains.
3) I assume that as cast diameter will be about .287" but will vary due to the normal variables.
4) The blocks will be aluminum and NOE's standard offering will apply.

Please see post #'s 21 & 22.

If you require more info please check with Swede.

Regards,

Tony

Hardcast416taylor

08-02-2011, 10:25 AM

Thanks Tony for setting it clear. I had re-read all the posts already, but just needed to ask. Everything sounds good to me.Robert

Ed in North Texas

08-22-2011, 07:31 PM

shameless bump

Wayne Smith

08-23-2011, 10:07 AM

Swede's design, but what options will be available? I have a Chilean original barrel on mine. I'd like one big enough and closer to the 160-175gr wt. Will that much variation be an option?

725

08-23-2011, 11:31 AM

SWMBO is going to kill me, but I'm interested in one for another Chilean, too. Single cavity, PB. Where does this project stand?

tonyjones

08-24-2011, 01:57 PM

Wayne,

I assume that plain base as well as a hollow point pin in one cavity are available options. Swede can also offer a larger diameter if there is sufficient interest. I don't know whether he can cut a heavier/longer bullet with the cherry for this one (150 grains) or not.

725,

You are #13 on the list. As soon as we get to 15 we will get a place in NOE's schedule and this will move to active group buys.

Regards,

Tony

Ed in North Texas

08-25-2011, 02:02 PM

Wayne,

I assume that plain base as well as a hollow point pin in one cavity are available options. Swede can also offer a larger diameter if there is sufficient interest. I don't know whether he can cut a heavier/longer bullet with the cherry for this one (150 grains) or not.

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Tony

While I would also like something like a 170 or 175 grain Loverin style boolit, I don't think that is possible with this buy. I could be mistaken, but I think stretching this mould another 20 to 25 grains is a bit much. It would be great to have something like the Lyman/Ideal 287221 in the 175 grain weight.

725

08-25-2011, 08:26 PM

Whoo - Hoo. That was painless.

725

725

08-31-2011, 02:15 PM

Now that I have something to look forward to, I'm going to do a shameless bump. Ba-dump-bump.

725

09-02-2011, 03:53 PM

Love that Loverin design. Got a NOE 326407 and it is the best thing I have for the 8mm Mauser and my .32-40. Super accurate. Hope this thread gets going.

tonyjones

09-06-2011, 03:06 PM

We need two more to make this one active and get it in the schedule. Anyone?

Tony

725

09-07-2011, 05:04 AM

Is there a big price difference when a group purchase falls below the 15 mark? I just don't know.

bearcove

09-07-2011, 09:08 AM

It is cheaper then cause it doesn't get made.:kidding:

atr

09-07-2011, 11:02 AM

< holding out for a 175 gr Louverin as in 287221 in the 175 grain weight

725

09-12-2011, 10:31 AM

Hope this gets going. I think the Loverin design is just the thing for the 7mm.

Duett

09-14-2011, 11:14 PM

If this mold can be made in a plain-base version, I´m ready to order!

verney

09-19-2011, 01:52 AM

Hey you, yes you by the screen. You know you want one, sign up now!

Ed in North Texas

09-21-2011, 09:40 AM

Hey you, yes you by the screen. You know you want one, sign up now!

Already did. Now we have a couple of shameless bumps. :groner:

greywuuf

09-21-2011, 08:43 PM

Ok, I need a hunting Boolit for my 7x57
I'm in

MtGun44

09-24-2011, 04:57 PM

OK - for a multicavity aluminum mold, what is the price structure?

I have not bought an NOE previously, so am totally ignorant as to the
number of cavities offered, choices possible, and possibility for different
diameters, if desired.

Bill

Blammer

09-24-2011, 05:47 PM

mtgun44, just check out a GB started by NOE, it'll have the prices and options, pretty much the same on all moulds.

Piedmont

09-24-2011, 09:06 PM

I am with Bullshop on this and think the dimensions are wrong.

Let me submit measurements from 2 milsurp 7x57s: .2785/.287, and .278/.2855.

So on the proposed bullet the fourth band wouldn't even be a bore ride in either of these and just what is the purpose of the .267" nose and what are the bands in between? Are they .267 or stepped sequentially?

I would like to see a full .287 on the base bands and larger bands up front than are proposed. Non milsurp sevens should have a tighter groove dimension but the newer barrels tend to have shallower rifling than the old cut rifled barrels of milsurps so the land dimension I would think would be larger than the two milsurp barrels listed. Since even the fourth band is too small for the milsurps it would be even more too small for sporters.

What is the point of doing a tapered Louverin type if the whole front of the bullet rides nothing? Why not make it an easier to cut bore ride type with the nose to small to ride anything? Better yet, why not make it a Louverin that does engage barrels up front.

Could some of you submit more slugging data so we can get this right for the majority of rifles out there?

Nrut

09-25-2011, 12:24 AM

Piedmont,
I kinda figured that the .267 nose band dia. should have been .276 and was transposed when Swede transferred his measurements to the drawing..

Something that we should get straight as a .267 nose band would be useless in all 7 mm's.

I could be wrong but I don't think that you can make a mold that will throw to bullet fit the throats of both the 7X57's and the modern 7mm (.708, .280, and 7 maggie) and keep the bullet base inside the neck of the modern 7mm's..

If Swede would apply the 286407 design to Tom Myers TMT chamber/throat software then we could see exactly what chamber/throat this bullet was designed for and go from there...

Piedmont

09-25-2011, 10:21 AM

I just got access to another rifle to slug. This one is a 1916 Spanish Mauser and it measures .276/.2845. NOE's proposed bullet would work fine with this one.

How about you guys that have tentatively signed on, and maybe those who have not, slug your rifles and let us know what they measure?

Aaron

09-25-2011, 12:02 PM

Please put me in
Aaron

jhalcott

09-25-2011, 12:03 PM

The 311466 mold I have shoots MUCH better than it's big brother 311467 in MY Contenders. I have tried them in 10, 14 and 21" 7TC/U barrels. The RCBS 168 grain mold has been used to cull some deer with great success though.

jhalcott

09-25-2011, 12:08 PM

The 311466 mold I have shoots MUCH better than it's big brother 311467 in MY Contenders. I have tried them in 10, 14 and 21" barrels. The RCBS 168 or Lyman 287405 grain molds have been used to cull many deer with great success, though.

725

09-25-2011, 05:04 PM

Took the good advice above and slugged my 'ol girl. With my calipers ( which could certainly be off a .001 or so) I come up with .277 x .288. If the buy is in this range, I'm in. A .267 would not do me any good.

Come on boys (& girls). Deer season is around the corner.

greywuuf

09-25-2011, 05:48 PM

hmmm, Talked me into it, soon as I locate that spool of 1/4" lead wire I will have to ram up a slug , this will be from a tang safety ruger 77 in 7x57

tonyjones

09-29-2011, 02:56 PM

Hi guys,

In the past week I've exchanged PM's with Swede. He has reserved a place in the schedule and this will become an active group buy shortly. I will ask him about running this mould in 2 different diameters. I will also ask him about the .267/.276" issue. Anyone shooting a mil-surp may wish to make a throat swage before we get too far down the road with this one.

Regards,

Tony

725

10-13-2011, 11:37 AM

Well, I just got back from shooting my 1895 7mm with some Lee 130 grainer's. Terrible. Keyholes. Bummer. Hope this GB gets going soon. Heavier will be better.

birdadly

10-13-2011, 11:58 AM

I'm new to rifles and rifle moulds but would love a hunting boolit for next year's deer season. I'll be using a 280. All I know is I need to size to about .285 and that I'd like a flat-ish nose to it. The pic on the first page looks like it would do me well. Unless someone tells me this isn't what I'm looking for, I'd be in for one. -Brad

Hardcast416taylor

10-14-2011, 10:36 AM

I must bow out from being on the list to order this mold. Robert

6.5 mike

10-19-2011, 02:21 AM

Have we setteled on a weight ? I can use anything from 145 to 175. And as Dromia says TTT.

tonyjones

10-19-2011, 01:43 PM

This will be in the +/- 150 grain range. I have asked Al if this can be done in two diameters: .286" as shown and something larger for the mil-surps.

Tony

Ed in North Texas

11-05-2011, 06:18 AM

This will be in the +/- 150 grain range. I have asked Al if this can be done in two diameters: .286" as shown and something larger for the mil-surps.

Tony

Did you ever get a response on this Tony?

And a long delayed bump.

tonyjones

11-05-2011, 07:31 AM

Ed,

I did not. In response to an earlier PM Al responded that he would move this to active. I guess that he has been busy. He may also be waiting for some of us to post the optional as cast diameter we need. If Al doesn't see this and post here in the next few days I'll send him another PM.

Regards,

Tony