John Ross's 400gr Alley Cleaner starts here.

[69daytona]

Ok guys here is John Ross's 400gr Alley Cleaner. There is a GC and PB version, Both are based on John Ross's design with a slight mod made for the GC. It will be done in a Cramer mold and working on getting a brass 2 cavity made for it.

The GC version is 3D and will have the Penta and Round HP pins that will be the same as the PB design. Click on the 3D and check out all the different angles and look down the large HP.

Thanks Longbow.

[69daytona]

69daytona. 1 mold with 2 PB and 2 GC if we can get it made in a 4 cavity.

[Paulinski]

Paulinski - One mould - 2 cavity gas check - 2 cavity plain base.

[John Ross]

69, is the .22 drawing for the Ramset blanks? If it is, I assume those dimensions aren't finalized yet.

[Spartacus]

As usual I'm waiting to see what John wants and then I'll order.

[69daytona]

Waiting on the final drawing for the 22 ramset when it is done I will post it here. All the dimensions from these will be the same its just the HP pin will be much larger for the Ramset to fit in.

[John Ross]

Waiting on the final drawing for the 22 ramset when it is done I will post it here. All the dimensions from these will be the same its just the HP pin will be much larger for the Ramset to fit in.

I think the penta cavity is actually larger in volume, but I may be wrong.

I'll take one 4-cavity PB and one 4-cavity GC. Penta and Ramset pins for each, and a set of flat ones to cast flat nose bullets.

I'll change my order if 4-cav is not going to be available.

[John Ross]

I can't edit my posts!

Edited: Ramset pins may not work well in this application, and I'd need to go to a Lyman type single cavity.

[wilddog45]

Claiming ignorance, what is a 22 ramset? The hp looks very interesting but difficult if not impossible to get off the boolit once cast.

[69daytona]

John, did you get the pic of the ramset?? it is going to be loaded nose first or there will be no way to get it off the HP pin, the nose has plenty of material for the rim to sit down inside and have room for epoxy or whatever you want to use to keep it in place. Let me know if I need to send you the 3d of the ramset design.

[longbow]

Just so everyone is aware, the drawings are a first cut. Dimensions can be altered to suit what you want. Let 69daytona know of any changes and we will sort it out. I can't accommodate everyone so we will go with the majority on changes.

I don't have a .500 S&W so I have no opinion here. I am just providing the drawings.

If a larger meplat and/or hollow point or a different nose bore rider diameter is wanted then it is easy to do, just let me know what you want.

What I need to know is what the goal is ~ specific weight or specific dimensions. Whichever rules, the others will be compromises.

As for the .22 hollow point, I used .22 rimfire dimensions for the cavity. I am not sure of the length, but .22 Ramsets used to fit .22 chambers so this should be close. If anyone has .22 Ramsets and can measure I can check/correct the hollow point. I will say that a straight sided cavity that deep may be a problem with a hollow point pin. Even a slight taper may not do it but I am game if you are.

Longbow

[redneckdan]

I can go get some to measure tomorrow. We use them at the ski hill for rope launchers. I thought 'exploding' bullets were regulated under the DD statutes?

[longbow]

What I will need is:

- rim diameter
- rim thickness
- body diameter
- overall length

I am pretty sure they are standard cartridge sizes or certainly used to be. I used .22 LR for the cavity so unless they make a .22 mag size that should do it but a confirmation with a real Ramset would be good.

You can post dimensions or PM me with them. Thanks.

You may well be right on "exploding" boolits/bullets being regulated.

Many years ago I tried drilling 500 gr. boolits for .22 LR and shot them out of my .45-70. I didn't find they were any better than regular HP but my testing wasn't very scientific either. Ramsets have a little more poop than regular .22 LR though so that may make a difference.

Longbow

[John Ross]

I can go get some to measure tomorrow. We use them at the ski hill for rope launchers. I thought 'exploding' bullets were regulated under the DD statutes?

Only if they have 1/4 ounce or more of explosive material.

[Porterhouse]

I will let others to decide hollow point/cavity design but would like to request minor outer dimensional changes as follows;
Increase bore rider diamter from .493" to .495"
Increase meplat from .473" to .475"
I explained the reason for the bigger bore rider a bit in the initial discussion thread but simply state, I like the bore rider to start engaging with the lands a little, instead of just riding over them. I think .495" will be better for this function but still small enough to fit in the chamber throats.
The reason for the bigger meplat is, well..., I just think the number .473" is odd. Let's just make it .475" or call it 95% meplat.
These are really small things but we all know sometimes, small things make big difference...
John, I guess it's your call.

[John Ross]

I will let others to decide hollow point/cavity design but would like to request minor outer dimensional changes as follows;
Increase bore rider diamter from .493" to .495"
Increase meplat from .473" to .475"
I explained the reason for the bigger bore rider a bit in the initial discussion thread but simply state, I like the bore rider to start engaging with the lands a little, instead of just riding over them. I think .495" will be better for this function but still small enough to fit in the chamber throats.
The reason for the bigger meplat is, well..., I just think the number .473" is odd. Let's just make it .475" or call it 95% meplat.
These are really small things but we all know sometimes, small things make big difference...
John, I guess it's your call.

Fine with me.

[longbow]

As mentioned, some dimensions control and some are compromises. The reason for the 0.473" meplat was that I decided to fit a nice number of 4.25" for the nose radius. One will be "nice" and one will be a compromise if other dimensions are required.

I can make whatever changes you want but I would like to collect the requested changes then make them all once rather than changing and reposting just to get more changes.

Actually if the bore ride diameter is increased to 0.495" that may just take the meplat out to 0.475" with no other changes. Hmmmm, not often things are that easy!

Is there a specific weight desired like right on 400 grs. or just about 400 grs.? If you want right on 400 grs. then the hollow point is the easiest to alter to make weight changes.

Let me know and I will make it so.

Longbow

As a note, 95% meplat would be 0.477" another odd number.

[Porterhouse]

Thanks longbow!
As long as there is no strong objection, I assume bore ride diameter to be .495" and meplat to be .475".
Now, I hope we can get this with 4 cavity molds...

[John Ross]

Is there a specific weight desired like right on 400 grs. or just about 400 grs.?

No. About 400 is fine. Alloy will change this. I want it .900" long with .700" nose and the biggest penta HP possible.

[longbow]

John:

I can make the penta point somewhat larger and still have some "lip" around it. Do you want me to push the limits? I am thinking you might get away with as little as 1/32" or maybe just a hair bigger at the corners. This is such a large boolit that I doubt fillout will be a problem with so much molten mass flowing into the mould.

Again, I had just picked a "nice" number of 0.350" for the diameter inside flats.

If no other changes are requested I will revise the model and drawing to make the meplat 0.475", the bore ride 0.495" and HP larger. I will give it another couple of days.

Longbow

[John Ross]

John:

I can make the penta point somewhat larger and still have some "lip" around it. Do you want me to push the limits?

Longbow

Yes. I'm all about pushing limits...

[longbow]

I will make the changes and post a drawing.

[longbow]

New drawings with latest changes for the PB and GC versions:

- larger HP opening (about as large as I think you will get away with)
- HP depth changed to 0.600" for PB version to keep weight at ~ 400 grs.
- 0.495" diameter nose bore rider
- 0.475" diameter meplat

Longbow

[Porterhouse]

Hi Longbow,
You may hate me by now but I'll say this. For the GC version, my preference is just to eliminate the lower skinny driving band and make GC shank length to be around .100" so that both GC and PB will have about the same inside case length of 0.200". The HP design can be the same. Naturally, GC version would be slightly lighter than PB version, but I beleive John's main concern is "inside case length = how much it'll take inside case volume"
Any comment from John and all others who's been interested in this design/GB?

[longbow]

Porterhouse:

The GC version was specifically for 69daytona and he was concerned about enough bearing surface so I left a small driving band just above the GC.

I can make it look like whatever you guys want it to look like but since it was by request for 69daytona then he should approve the change.

Alternately, I can draw up another to your spec but the group buys might get spread a little thin.

This one doesn't seem to be stirring up much interest yet but then the 700 gr. Grand Canyon buy just ended and the 600 gr. is in progress plus at least one other .50 cal. boolit group buy is running.

I will leave these alone for now but you guys decide what you want and I guess John and Jack have the final say. I will make whatever changes are chosen in the end.

Longbow

[69daytona]

I dont mind the change to the GC version Kent. the GCs fit nice and tight on the 700s and I know this one has the same shank size so there wont be any GCs falling off.

Go ahead and make the change so both PB and GC versions are as close as possible.

[captain awesome]

I would be in for a 2 cav gc (with the pentapoint pins), sounds like a lot of fun busting melons and water jugs.

[longbow]

Okay, latest revisions to make gas check version same weight as PB version.

Re-posted both so there is no confusion and also a new 3D assembly with gas check.

Just left click on the pdf image to open the 3D.

By adjusting the hollow point side angles a little I got both to be just over 400 grs. calculated weight using wheelweights. The GC version now has a slightly larger hollow point.

[Don Purcell]

I would take a 4 cavity with pins for the penta-point and pins for a flat nose if possible in plain base

[wilddog45]

Is this a 4 or 2 cavity?

[69daytona]

I am working with Miha and trying to get this one in a 4 cavity Cramer mold so we can have both the HP and FP.

[Spartacus]

Is this group buy still being shaped up? Are you running it Daytona?

[69daytona]

Im running this one, The final designs are on post #28. I am still waiting on Miha to let me know if he can make this a 4 cavity brass Cramer. So for now it is just going to be a 2 cavity until further notice.
I will start the list tomorrow.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 caivity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 2 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 1, 4 cav PB with penta and round pins

[Spartacus]

2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins for me.

[happy7]

I'm in for a 4 CAV Cramer all HP with both the penta pins and the 22 pins and round hp pins if possible.

[wilddog45]

For some reason I seem to think there may be a fillout problem with this design where the points of the penta comes together. Does anyone else see this or correct me if I am wrong.

[69daytona]

This is the same style penta design as the 700 and as long as the pins are hot enough they fill out perfectly.

[longbow]

Actually, this one has thinner nose wall than the 700 gr. design. It started out the same but John wanted thinner so thinner it is.

I suspect that with the size of the mould and mass of lead being poured in, fillout will be okay as long as the pins are hot as Jack says.

I could always add a couple of different pins in penta and/or round too so if this one is a problem for fillout then it is only a set of pins to be replaced. They aren't expensive.

You guys let me know what you want.

Longbow

[bushwaker]

I'll take a 4 cav with all pins.

[LowPE]

I am good for a two cavity with all pins.

Thank you for running this.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 caivity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 2 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 1, 4 cav PB with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1 4 cavity with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity with all pins

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

[69daytona]

Sorry for being so slow on this thread have a serious family problem so for 2-4 weeks I might not be here. Cancer sucks.

[wilddog45]

I'm in for a 4 cavity all gc with all pins as long as the lip is thickened back up as I feel that it will be too fragile to work well and will lead to fillout problems and the "petals" will break off instead of opening up, IMHO. Jack,you and yours are in my prayers and hope everything ends up ok.

[Spartacus]

Sorry for being so slow on this thread have a serious family problem so for 2-4 weeks I might not be here. Cancer sucks.

Take care Friend. Family first!

[bushwaker]

make mine a pb mold thanks.

[Porterhouse]

69daytona,
Sorry to hear about your problem. Take care and don't worry about this. We can wait.
I'm in for 2, 4 cavity molds. 1 PB + 1 GC with all pins. I think wilddog45 has a good point, by the way.

[captain awesome]

I'd like to change mine if possible, 4 cavity with 2 cavity's for the 22hp design and two cavities for the other penta design. all the types of pins. also, this may seem like a silly question, but are there any issues that arise if you shoot gas check designs with out the gas check?

[Don Purcell]

69daytona, I would like to change my order to: 1, 4 cavity PB and 1, 4 cavity GC and all pins for both molds.
Hope the medical issues are managable and you are in our thoughts. Keep your powder dry, Don

[69daytona]

Thank You all for your thoughts and prayers but my sister in law passed away last Thursday. What started out as colon cancer spread to her liver by the time it was found and she lasted 4 months.

The 22 ramset pin will be another pin that can be replaced, The beauty of the Cramer design, one bullet design with as many HP designs as you would like.

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1 4 cavity with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1 4 cavity with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12.

[Paulinski]

I'm sorry to hear that 69daytona...

[LowPE]

69daytonna,

too sad -- you will be in my family's prayers tonight.

[5.7 MAN]

How much will these be with all the pis GC?

Dan

[Spartacus]

Does anyone have a good recipe for an incendiary tip?

Also, how about the option of a hollowed base for tracer rounds?

[Spartacus]

Does anyone have a good recipe for an incendiary tip?

Also, how about the option of a hollowed base for tracer rounds?

All quiet, eh?

Has Miha ever cut a hollow base mold before?

I'm not necessarily saying it would be a good option for this particular bullet but it would useful for long range shooting.

[wilddog45]

Why would you want a hollow base boolit on a modern barrel? Or an incendiary tip for that matter. Tracers for a revolver? Whats up with that? You have a lot to learn.

[shawnsmc]

You can put me down for 1 four cavity mold with 2GC and 2PB.

Thanks,
Shawn

[Spartacus]

Why would you want a hollow base boolit on a modern barrel? Or an incendiary tip for that matter. Tracers for a revolver? Whats up with that? You have a lot to learn.

Uh OK.

I like experimenting and even have made my own incendiary .22 ammo using lighter flints. The S&W 500 round as a long range bullet would benefit from tracer ammo options for both revolver and rifle. The reason that the Alley Cleaner has been designed with a large hollow point is to put stuff in it... whether shot or incendiary material. Maybe you should read the thread before you criticize a post.

But I won't take up any more time in this thread since I have so much to learn.

[wilddog45]

I did read the thread and a large meplat is mainly for hunting purposes in a solid form as a "hammer of thor" type boolit. If the purpose of this boolit was "To Put Stuff In It ,mark me off the list as I thought the the walls were to thin to begin with to be a useable boolit.That is just ridiculous.

[wilddog45]

Just put me down for an aluminum 6 cavity FP all GC

[Spartacus]

I did read the thread and a large meplat is mainly for hunting purposes in a solid form as a "hammer of thor" type boolit. If the purpose of this boolit was "To Put Stuff In It ,mark me off the list as I thought the the walls were to thin to begin with to be a useable boolit.That is just ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. Its a design that pushes the limits and will fill a particular niche that some of us like toying with.

This is NOT a hunting bullet. If you want the "hammer of Thor", you should have gotten in on the 700 grain monster Miha cut. I believe there are still a couple available if you are interested.

[wilddog45]

I did get the 700 gr that miha cut and also bought some of the ranger rick designs and i dont know how many of these that you have shot but I have problems with this boolit keyholing at longer ranges with the 18 to 1 twist barrel. I was hoping that the ross 500 with its 10 to 1 twist will help this problem. Large meplat boolits are in fact a shorter range hunting boolit and I dont know how many deer or other big game you have killed with the 500 but a hollowpoint does not work well on real flesh and bone targets. What you want is a solid to go all the way through and make them leak. If you understand anything about ballistic coeffientcy what you want is one of ross's design with the smaller meplat. I was just looking for a lighter weight large meplat boolit for hunting and not a stuffed burrito.

[Spartacus]

The 10 to 1 twist will definitely straighten out bullet flight.

And some of us love stuffed burritos... lol.

[wilddog45]

It's not ridiculous at all. Its a design that pushes the limits and will fill a particular niche that some of us like toying with.

This is NOT a hunting bullet. If you want the "hammer of Thor", you should have gotten in on the 700 grain monster Miha cut. I believe there are still a couple available if you are interested.

What are your experiences with the 700 gr boolit and please explain why the "Alley Cleaner is not a hunting boolit". It is definatly not a long range boolit as you claim. I would like to hear your thoughts on this boolit development. It looks like you are looking for a high priced novelty mold which may or may not work as I see this as a mold with fillout problems and too frangible of a tip for a cast boolit. It would probably work if it was a jacketed bullet.I just dont want to spend the money on something that that may require grinding and refitting the pins when they could be made right in the first place.

[69daytona]

The Alley Cleaner is not designed for hunting, it it a personal protection boolit designed to stop any would be aggressor in his or her tracks. now as a solid it would make a great pig boolit and they are good for 200 yards or more in the right gun with the right shooter.
The 700gr HP with the HP broke away is still a 350gr boolit so even on big game you have a heavy slug to keep going through, plus the hole on impact will let its heart drop out.

[wilddog45]

So the alley cleaner is not a hunting boolit but would make a great pig boolit. Does anyone here actually read there posts before hitting the button? Then you go on to say it was designed to stop an aggresser in its tracks. Are you talking about a human aggresor or or an animal aggressor? I dont know how many people you shoot on a daily basis but I look at this as a down sized 700 gr for hunting. I talked to John Ross today and I think he has reconsidered on making the penta pins and the hollow points smaller as originally intinded. To me hollow points are for self defence and I have found out from actual experience that cast solids work the best for me in a real world hunting situation, although I have never shot anyone with with a cast boolit. Maybe someone can share there experience on what a cast boolit does on human flesh. But i like what works for my purposes

[5.7 MAN]

69 Daytona PM Sent!

[John Ross]

I wanted a violently expanding HP. I doubt I'll shoot any people but I intend to dispatch watermelons and other fruit for the fun factor.

Get 69Daytona to order pins sized to your liking. I want to try the big ones.

[wilddog45]

I want the original design size pins in penta and round and FP hope this will not be a big headache for Miha.

[5.7 MAN]

Add me to the list.

2 Cavity GC, full set of pins.

Dan

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1 4 cavity with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12.

[Don Purcell]

69daytona, I want to be able cast flat points with this mold also so would you modify my order to include ALL pins not just the ones for hollowpoint. Thanks, Don

[wilddog45]

Someone needs to explain the differant HP options on this boolit, like what is the 22 ramset?. And is miha going to make all of the pin designs that we have been debating,unless the pin designs can be explained, as I only want the pin design in post #1 in penta and round and FP and I have changed my mind as now I want a 4 cavity brass Plain Base only. Sorry for the confusion.

[John Ross]

Someone needs to explain the differant HP options on this boolit, like what is the 22 ramset?.

I don't think Ramset pins will work well in any design other than a Lyman-type single cavity pin setup. Not enough taper. 69, tell MiHa to forget the Ramset pins, if he ever was considering them.

[69daytona]

I will let Miha know.

[69daytona]

We are going to drop the Ramset pins and just go with a wide HP pin set like what John Ross wants and then the original size which is the same width as the 700gr which has been tried and proven to work.
I am sure the wide pins John wants will work, Just have to make sure the pins get good and hot. The extra pins are $8 per set so it shouldn't make anyone go broke. Let me know what you think.

Miha must be real busy as I have not heard back from him since we submitted this design.

[shawnsmc]

I would like to have both sets of pins. The standard one's and the John Ross one's. With penta and round for both.

Thanks again,
Shawn


You can put me down for 1 four cavity mold with 2GC and 2PB.

Thanks,
Shawn

[captain awesome]

i would like to have both sets of pins. The standard one's and the john ross one's. With penta and round for both.

^^^^me too.,
Also I was wondering, would anyone be interested in turning this into something like the quinta weight design? or is that even possible? having the same nose and HP pins but having a variety of weights available, using the same tooling. I would be down for at least one more if we could do that.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1 4 cavity with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

[colt_saa]

Please include me in here as well.

4 cavity PB with all pins.

Colt_SAA
at
RocketMail.Com

[captain awesome]

would anyone be interested in turning this into something like the quinta weight design? or is that even possible? having the same nose and HP pins but having a variety of weights available, using the same tooling. I would be down for at least one more if we could do that.

No interest in that at all?

[happy7]

Well, it could be possible with the plain base, but with the gas check version it is not possible.

[captain awesome]

how bout it then? I wouldn't be after a gas check mold for anything 500 grain or over anyway.

[Blake Stephenson]

I need one 4 cavity PB with all pins

Blake

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1 4 cavity with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

[Don Purcell]

A Quintaweight "Alley Cleaner" may be an interesting idea because not only with the different hollowpoint pins available you would also have the flatpoint pins and have a whole series of different nose options and be able to possibly mix and match hollowpoints with a matching weight in a shorter solid. You could carry a combination of H.P. and F.P. in close to the same weight and velocity and not worry about sight settings. Just a thought .

[captain awesome]

^^^^^thats what I'm sayin^^^^^:drinks::):Fire:
can't believe John hasn't climbed on board yet.

[69daytona]

Bump to top

[wilddog45]

When is this scheduled to go on the mill?

[Paulinski]

When is this scheduled to go on the mill?

Interested to know as well.

[John Ross]

^^^^^thats what I'm sayin^^^^^:drinks::):Fire:
can't believe John hasn't climbed on board yet.

I was under the impression that Mihec didn't do multiple weights in one Group Buy.

[69daytona]

This one is going to take awhile, still waiting on Miha to get back with me on making this a 4 cavity.
I will try sending him the spec sheets on it again and see if I can get a response.

[Paulinski]

Hopefully Miha can make it happen.

I'd be even on with 2-cavity I'll just buy two moulds one PB and one GC :)

[69daytona]

Bump to top

[captain awesome]

whats the latest on this? are we even on the schedule yet?

[Heath2]

I'd like a 4 cavity pb with all pins.

[69daytona]

Sorry guys. There was a little hicup in the process and Miha didnt get the Drawing for the boolit.
It is being redrawn and will be sent to him again. I will keep writing him once it is sent until I get a reply that he has it.

[wilddog45]

Does that mean another years wait?

[longbow]

Sorry, I have been busy and was was trying to sort out which were the final HP dimensions since this went through a few changes.

I will have the HP's sorted out this weekend and drawings sent to 69daytona to make sure they are right then they go to Miha.

Longbow

[69daytona]

Sorry for the wait guys but this is what we have been waiting on. I tried to keep the different HP pins like everyone wants, one Penta pin as large as will cast very good with good fill.
The different round HP pins are one that will cast perfect and the other as John requested pushed to the limit I think will still cast and fill in good. all the bases of the HP pins have been flatend to different degrees to try to make all the boolits cast as close to the same weight as possible, The GC was taken into consideration.
I will get these sent into Miha next Friday if there are no other mods needed.

[69daytona]

Hope these work, open with Adobe reader.

[happy7]

I can't find anything I don't like. These bullets are going to be an absolute blast for blowing things up. I wish watermelons were cheaper!

[wilddog45]

Oh Boy!! I can't wait for the Ross profiles to start into production!! :CastBoolitsisbest:

[Paulinski]

Awesome I can't wait...

[lup]

I'd like a PB 4cavity with all pins.

Thank you,

LUP

PM for payment details.

[happy7]

Please add "all GC" to my order. Thanks

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

[longbow]

I sent the drawings to Miha today.

There is one slight change to the GC version. They will be approximately 418 grs. due to the gas check.

Originally I had set out to make both the PB and GC versions 400 grs. Since John had certain design criteria he wanted, I did not have much to play with so slightly altered the penta HP in the GC version to get both weights at 400 grs. However, when 3 more pins were requested it was a bit much so sort out without either altering John's design some or just accepting that the GC version would be slightly heavier.

I went with slightly heavier since I figured the GC version would get loaded hotter anyway so wouldn't be shooting to same point of impact as the PB and they are only about 5% heavier.

Longbow

[John Ross]

This is an even-less-than-trivial change, IMO. Projected production date?

[longbow]

John:

Jack commented that this one may get done along with his 600 gr. group buy. However, I do not know the production date. Jack would be the best contact since he is running the group buy.

I have not heard back from Miha on the drawings yet but I doubt there will be any problems. There is nothing unusual here.

[69daytona]

Thanks Kent for posting the information. I will write Miha to find out the production date and will post it here if Miha doesn't as soon as I can get in touch with him.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

[69daytona]

Anyone else interested in this one?? We have just enough to get it produced, Thought it would be of more interest to the Beowolf and 50AE people.

[werepyr]

1, 4 cavity GC with all pins since I'm a Beowulf and 50AE person.

[greywuuf]

well I think I am interested, though I am having trouble finding a dimensioned drawing of the final design ? the only thing I am worried about is the crimp to nose dimension as I need to keep it to Magazine length. So we are saying this one WOULD work in a BEO?

And looking at the rev4 drawing, this one will be too long ( for my mags anyway ) by about 1/10"

[longbow]

Final designs are in post 101 attached.

All dimensions should be there. If you need something not on the drawing, let me know.

Longbow

[John Ross]

well I think I am interested, though I am having trouble finding a dimensioned drawing of the final design ? the only thing I am worried about is the crimp to nose dimension as I need to keep it to Magazine length. So we are saying this one WOULD work in a BEO?

And looking at the rev4 drawing, this one will be too long ( for my mags anyway ) by about 1/10"

I have no experience with the Beowulf but even if the bullet fit in the magazine, would it feed reliably?

[wilddog45]

I do not think this will work in a Beowolf. JMHO!

[wilddog45]

I hope this can be made by deer season as I think this will work great as a solid.

[greywuuf]

Reliable feed would be dependent on the mags, if you can get it to " nose up" enough it should work, but as I said with standard trim brass and the as drawn nose to crimp it wont fit the mags anyway.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. (Dropped out)

[werepyr]

I have to back out of this group buy upon further research the space between my brass and the inside edge of the magazine for Beowulf leaves me only .600 to work with not .700 as this mold is set up for and my desert eagle I only have .400 space in the mag to work with for the end of the bullet.

[69daytona]

No problem werepyr, I will take you off the list.

[Porterhouse]

Any update?

[69daytona]

I wish I knew what to tell you all, I am not getting any feedback from Miha and he isnt updating his web site. Right now we are all in limbo until Miha decides to let us know whats going on.

[Spartacus]

If I can remember that far back, I believe it is called being busy... lol.

[LEADLUBBER]

what alloy and lube in the PB design will allow 1600-1800 fps loads without leading? anything?

or am I just dreaming?

Either way, how much is the 4 cavity PB mold with penta and round pins?

[John Ross]

what alloy and lube in the PB design will allow 1600-1800 fps loads without leading? anything?

or am I just dreaming?



I've had good results with icewater quenched WW alloy, sized .500" and lubed with NRA formula. This has taken me to over 1800 FPS with standard twist guns. Above that, and above 1600 FPS in 1:10" twist guns, I use a disc of something under the base of the bullet. LDPE works well but even milk cartons help.

I'm almost out of the 5 gallon batch of 50/50 lube I made up in the '70s so one of the more modern choices available now like Carnauba Red or a Moly blend may work even better.

[LEADLUBBER]

I've had good results with icewater quenched WW alloy, sized .500" and lubed with NRA formula. This has taken me to over 1800 FPS with standard twist guns. Above that, and above 1600 FPS in 1:10" twist guns, I use a disc of something under the base of the bullet. LDPE works well but even milk cartons help.

I'm almost out of the 5 gallon batch of 50/50 lube I made up in the '70s so one of the more modern choices available now like Carnauba Red or a Moly blend may work even better.



WOW, that is awesome info Mr. Ross! Thank You very much!


I enjoy Your writing very much and I certainly respect and enforce Your opinions and instructions.


So, I need to size the PB bullets to .500 and not .501 with water dropped quenced WW bullets?



Thanks again!

[LEADLUBBER]

Please add me to the list with:

17. Leadlubber, Qty:1 , 4 cavity PB with all pins

[John Ross]

So, I need to size the PB bullets to .500 and not .501 with water dropped quenced WW bullets?


You'll have to try and see. Different dies can size to different diameters, regardless of what is engraved on the side. I use original Star dies. Yours may be different.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. LEADLUBBER, 1, 4 cavity PB with all Pins

[69daytona]

Good news. Miha wrote me and said he will be machining this one and the 600gr next month and they will be ready to ship after the first of the year. Thanks for waiting.

[2hawk]

If this buy is still open, I'd like a PB 4cavity with all pins.

email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 2, 4 cavity, 1 PB 1 GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. LEADLUBBER, 1, 4 cavity PB with all Pins

18. 2hawk, 1 PB 4 cavity with all pins email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

[wilddog45]

Any updates on the production schedule?

[69daytona]

Miha says they will be done by the end of Dec. and ready to ship after the first of the year,

[wilddog45]

YeeHaw!!

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

If this GB is still open please pm me. I would like to get in on one. Thanks!

I would like a 2 cav gc. with both sets of pins.

I am thinkin I am a day late and a dollar short....

[Porterhouse]

Hi 69daytona,
If it's not too late, I would like to make an adjustment and make mine 1, 4 cavity, GC only. If it's already in process, don't bother.
Thanks!

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. LEADLUBBER, 1, 4 cavity PB with all Pins

18. 2hawk, 1 PB 4 cavity with all pins email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

19. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

I apologize for not putting my email in my other post. Here it is:

waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

[MajorJim]

If it is not too late, please add me for 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

jmaniii56 at msn dot com

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. LEADLUBBER, 1, 4 cavity PB with all Pins

18. 2hawk, 1 PB 4 cavity with all pins email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

19. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

20. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

[lup]

I'd like a PB 4cavity with all pins.

Thank you,

LUP

PM for payment details.

email address is rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

[LEADLUBBER]

any update on when these will ship out yet?

[Don1955]

Put me in for a 4 cavity GC all pins
and a 4 cavity PB all pins.
debent55 at frontier dot com
thx

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins

17. Dropped out

18. 2hawk, 1 PB 4 cavity with all pins email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

19. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

20. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

21. Don1955, 1, 4cavity PB with all pins and 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

[wilddog45]

When is this one going down?

[69daytona]

Should be by the end of this month that you will hear from Miha for payment.

[Heath2]

heath_owens at comcast dot net

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. Dropped out

18. 2hawk, 1 PB 4 cavity with all pins email: g underscore blomquist at msn dot com

19. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

20. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

21. Don1955, 1, 4cavity PB with all pins and 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

This one has to be getting close...

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Bump.

[69daytona]

I wrote Miha last week asking for an update, Nothing yet. Sorry guys

[Paulinski]

No problem. It will be worth the wait...

[happy7]

I see I didn't specify plain base or gas check. I'd like all gas check on mine. Sorry about that.

[2hawk]

Regrets to Miha and the honcho, but I am going to have to pull out of this one.

[wilddog45]

Any word from Miha yet? I am really looking forward to this one. By the way my email addy is kclark45athughesdotnet

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins kclark45athughesdotnet

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. Dropped out

18. Dropped out

19. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

20. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

21. Don1955, 1, 4cavity PB with all pins and 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

[wilddog45]

Bumpin' for sumpin' LOL!!!

[69daytona]

Just heard from Miha today and he is in the process of getting the blocks and pins ready. machining will be awhile still but not to long from now.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Bump.

[wilddog45]

Any word on how Miha is coming on this? I know he was setting up his own shop and was wondering if he would post production schedules on his molds.

[69daytona]

Got an email from Miha about the hold up on our molds. He told me the plant he use to get his Brass from closed down and he has to import the brass from Italy and Austria now so that is taking more time.
He also said as of the first of May he will be in production full time for himself and is sorry for the delay but wants the best product for his customers.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

That's good enough for me. Thanks for the update!

[Spartacus]

Got an email from Miha about the hold up on our molds. He told me the plant he use to get his Brass from closed down and he has to import the brass from Italy and Austria now so that is taking more time.
He also said as of the first of May he will be in production full time for himself and is sorry for the delay but wants the best product for his customers.

Expect prices to increase next round...

[69daytona]

Got another email from Miha and he said the 400gr is going into production Monday. The 600gr will take a little longer due to him having to import the Brass now.

[wilddog45]

Miha DOES make quality molds but to wait over a year for one is .............well ................ hard to do!!!

[wilddog45]

Shameless bump!

[lup]

Got another email from Miha and he said the 400gr is going into production Monday. The 600gr will take a little longer due to him having to import the Brass now.


Any word now? I'm salivating about pumpkin destruction.

LUP

[jasons]

Is it too late to get in on this? I'd like to add a .502-400 GC to my collection of Mr. Miha's molds. (Already have the 440 and 700 and they are excellent.)

I would want the 4 cavity GC version with all the pins.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 4 cavity 2PB and 2 GC with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 4 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 4 cav, 2PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 4 cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 2, 4 cavity 1 PB 1 GC with penta and round pins

6. Spartacus, 2 4 cavity, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins kclark45athughesdotnet

11. Porterhouse, 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 4 cavity HP, 2 GC 2 PB, both sets of pins

13. colt saa, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 1, 4 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

18. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

19. Don1955, 1, 4cavity PB with all pins and 1, 4 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

20. jasons, 1. 4 cavity GC with all pins

[wilddog45]

Is this mold being made in brass or aluminum? I forgot if the brass was a go or not.

[captain awesome]

I think all Mihec molds are brass? At least all the ones I have purchased are.

[69daytona]

He makes all of his molds out of brass except for the 5-6 cavity molds, they are aluminum.
He has never made a 4 cavity brass mold with a boolit this large so that might be one of the things that is slowing him down.

[wilddog45]

Any updates on this? Did Miha get the brass?

[69daytona]

Sorry guys. I havent been checking on this in awhile. To many funerals and cars that keep breaking down with major problems. I will write Miha and see whats up as he told me last time they would be done in May and it is almost June.

[69daytona]

Miha wrote today and said the 400 will be getting done soon. the 600gr he is having trouble getting the quality and size of the brass he wants to make it, So those of you waiting for both He apoligises.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Cool! Thanks for the update!

[MiHec]

Boys this one will be 2 cav. only. Please confirm....
4cav. are too big - wrapping will occur.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

2 Cavity is fine for me.

[lup]

If a 4 cavity mould won't be available. I'll take 2 2-cavity moulds instead. Both should have all pins and plain base.

[Spartacus]

Now you tell us?

I'll need new prices, specs and estimated delivery times before I can sign on with this.

[happy7]

Two cavity is fine for me.

[wilddog45]

Two cavity is fine for me.

[shawnsmc]

Well I still want one so a 2 cavity is fin by me.

[wilddog45]

So now do we have to wait until everyone confirms that they want a 2 cavity after over a year wait?

[Spartacus]

Apparently Miha enjoys dropping the bomb and stepping aside with no explanations.

[waksupi]

Apparently Miha enjoys dropping the bomb and stepping aside with no explanations.

Read his post. The design is too big for the blocks.

[happy7]

What I understand is that the four cavity is not possible due to the fact that when he ran a sample, the blocks warped. Of the materials that molds are made of, brass is supposedly the most succeptable to this. I appreciate that he did the work to figured this out before sending out the molds. A four cavity of this size is new territory for Mihec, so it is not surprising if he runs into some snags.

I believe all Mihec is trying to do is give the people who don't want a two cavity instead of a four cavity the opportunity to let him know that so he doesn't get saddled with too many extras.

[Spartacus]

He is a professional who should have know that from the get-go. These waits and hiccups are becoming intolerable even for patient folks like myself.

Take me out of this one.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

He is a professional who should have know that from the get-go. These waits and hiccups are becoming intolerable even for patient folks like myself.

Take me out of this one.

Good, now I will get mine faster.

I am also glad that he ran the test before he shipped out the completed molds. Casting boolits and shooting is fun for me, but not my life. If casting and shooting is your life then I guess I understand if you are upset.

IMHO, there are more important things to worry about than a boolit mold.

Life is too short.

[Spartacus]

Life is short? Sure friend, when you die of old age I'll send your mold to your widow.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

LOL! I don't have a wife.

Life is good! :smile:

[wilddog45]

I still want mine. I was just looking at the new time frame.

[Spartacus]

Which is how many more years?

[wilddog45]

Sparticus, you said you dropped out of this buy so further comments from you are unwarrented. Miha just started up his own shop so I can understand what he is going through. Especially in Slovinia.

[lup]

This sounds like an interesting mould to me and I'll wait until completion. With the incredibly thin nose and large shanks there are bound to be problems to be worked out. The price is right and I don't have to pay anything until a working mould is generated and ready to be shipping to me. My money's earning interest someplace until then. Miha, keep up the good work and I'll buy when it's ready.

Please ignore the doomsayers who have never made anything.

[Spartacus]

Sparticus, you said you dropped out of this buy so further comments from you are unwarrented. Miha just started up his own shop so I can understand what he is going through. Especially in Slovinia.

Its spelled Slovenia and if you had ever been in eastern Europe you would know how modern it is today.

Nothing is stopping me from getting back into this GB at any time so I guess I'll say as I please.

[Spartacus]

Please ignore the doomsayers who have never made anything.

The word you wanted was naysayers not doomsayers and since you don't know me, you don't know what I "make".

[wilddog45]

Sparticuss, here in the USA, we have a name for people like you.!!

[southpaw]

Spartacus,

The only thing that you have been trying to make lately has been trouble. Miha has EARNED our trust and respect. He is not going to compromise quality just to get moulds out. Ragging on him will not win you any friends.

Jerry Jr.

[shawnsmc]

Didn't something like this happen at the end of the John Ross long rang bullet that noe did. I guess some people just like stirring it up.

[Spartacus]

Sparticuss, here in the USA, we have a name for people like you. !

This is a family-friendly site so IDK why you would use such a term to someone who has a different opinion than you do.

And I'm not stirring up anything, I am simply registering my disapproval with this situation. Have your own opinions but leave me mine. The last time I looked this was still America.

[45nut]

He is a professional who should have know that from the get-go. These waits and hiccups are becoming intolerable even for patient folks like myself.

Take me out of this one.

At this point you have no dogs in the hunt,, so why are you continuing the beatings on this thread? I consider it very lacking in honor.

Continued action beyond my post and you are the one that may be "out".

[Spartacus]

I've got a dozen Miha molds in my collection and am in another 3 or 4 GBs so I am not calling his quality into question.

I do find it interesting that I can be called a filthy name by someone and yet I'm the one being threatened with a ban. Talk about hypocrisy. I consider that lacking in honor.

[45nut]

You really want to test me? really?

[waksupi]

I double dog dare you.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:[smilie=s:

[Heath2]

2 cav is fine for me. Change mine to pb only, thanks

[69daytona]

Wow. I missed a lot while everything I own has been breaking down. 2 cavity is fine with me.
Sorry to hear some people are a little bent on waiting for Mihas great work since they are out no money until he is finished with them.
I lived in Europe for 6 years and know that getting certain things take time. Until I am out any money I am not complaining about anything.
Please dont slander our mold makers, they do the best they can to make us nit pickers happy.

[colt_saa]

Go ahead and change me from a 4 cavity to the 2 cavity

[Paulinski]

2 cavity works for me....

[69daytona]

I got an email from Miha yesterday. He said he has the cherry and all materials to start on this mold. He is just waiting for a machine to open (finish up another project) Then he will get started on our mold.
Thanks for hanging in there for this one but those of you that have shot the 700gr HP at 900fps or under and recovered the nice mushroom will see the value of this boolit for self defense or when you need something on the ground quick.
This will be a monster with soft cast between 700-900fps out of the 4" or those of you lucky enough to have one of John Ross's 5"

[lup]

That's awesome news! Thanks for the update.

[wilddog45]

Sounds great to me!!!

[captain awesome]

I am fine with changing mine to take a two cavity, with all the available pins. I have decided I would prefer a plain base.

I am rather surprised that didn't end with a ban for Sparticus. This definitely is not the first altercation he has caused on this forum. 45NUT, you are a patient man.

[werepyr]

I just got a 500 today so I need this in a 2 cav pb please.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Bump. :smile:

[Don Purcell]

A single 2 cavity plain base with all the pins will work for me. Don

[jasons]

2 cavity is fine by me. I'm still in.

[arthury]

Am I too late to the party?
So far, I did not see any pricing although I have to admit I did not read the 12 pages in detail.
Also, is it more difficult casting HP than solids? I'm new to casting.

[arthury]

Hope these work, open with Adobe reader.

May I know why is the base .502"?
Why not .501"? Was this design done for a specific SW500?

[happy7]

If you want a 501 bullet, it is better to have the bullets drop at 502 so you can size to 501. Cast bullets are rarely round. This way you can get a good sized bullet that will not be undersize.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Cast a touch big so that they can be sized down to the size you wish. Sizing also takes any out-of-roundness out of the bullet, assuming your sizer die is round.

EDIT: Happy, I think we responded at exactly the same time. Is there an echo in here?????

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 2 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 2 cav, PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 42cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins pins

6. Spartacus, 1,2 cavity PB and 1, 2 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins kclark45athughesdotnet

11. Porterhouse, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 2 cavity GC, 1, 2 cav. PB,all pins

13. colt saa, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 2, 2 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 4 cavity 2PB, 2GC with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

18. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

19. Don1955, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins and 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

20. jasons, 1. 2 cavity GC with all pins

21 Arthury. 1, 2 cavity with all pins

22. werepyr. 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

[wilddog45]

Remember all of the molds have been changed to 2 cavities Jack!!

[wilddog45]

Sparticus dropped out of this buy and was causing trouble. The soup nazi said he must go to the end of the line but im sure he wants a mold too!!!

[Spartacus]

Your dunghill crowing has reminded me of how much I wanted this bullet to begin with, but since the Honcho seems unaware of Miha's change of design I hardly know how to proceed with re-entry into this GB.

Having said that, I would like one 2 cavity PB and one 2 cavity GC with all pins please.

[69daytona]

I have been busy with car work as I restore antique cars and its show car time. Sorry I havent payed as much attention as I should.
I am aware of Mihas change from a 4 cavity to a two cavity. I will get them all changed out soon.
I will get Spatacus on the list for a 2 cavity PB and a 2 cavity GC.
Anyone else need anything?
I will need your emails addresses so Miha can send you the invoices when they are ready, if you dont see it near your your handle get it to me.

[Paulinski]

Since its two cavity can we get 1 cavity PB and 1 cavity GC?

If not I'll take 2 Cavity GC.

[lup]

Good afternoon, with the reduction of the size, I requested (2) 2 cavity moulds please to keep my production levels up. Please update my entry.

Thank you

[S.B.]

Interesting. What do you plan on using this bullet for, game, target?
Steve

[S.B.]

Anyone else interested in this one?? We have just enough to get it produced, Thought it would be of more interest to the Beowolf and 50AE people.

Estimated cost? Or, has is this a done deal?
Steve

[S.B.]

Anyone else interested in this one?? We have just enough to get it produced, Thought it would be of more interest to the Beowolf and 50AE people.

Estimated cost, for a two cavity with JR profile in plain base with the Penta hollow point? Or, has is this a done deal?
Steve

[wilddog45]

The nose is still .700 or has that been changed? I didn't think that would fit the throat of a beuwolf or a 50 ae.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 2 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 2 cav, PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 42cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins pins

6. Spartacus, 1,2 cavity PB and 1, 2 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins kclark45athughesdotnet

11. Porterhouse, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 2 cavity GC, 1, 2 cav. PB,all pins

13. colt saa, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 2, 2 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 2 cavity PB, with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

18. MajorJim. 1 PB 4 cavity and 1 GC 4 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

19. Don1955, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins and 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

20. jasons, 1. 2 cavity GC with all pins

21 Arthury. 1, 2 cavity with all pins

22. werepyr. 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins Werepyr at yahoo dot com

23.S.B. 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins. bigben1948 at mchsi dot com

[69daytona]

This one still has the 700 nose, very slight mods to the thickness at the rim and depth of the HP but that is about it, it was designed for quick max expansion.

[Heath2]

Ill take a 2cav pb all pins

[wilddog45]

Whats going on with this buy? Were the walls too thin for fillout as I suggested?

[captain awesome]

apparently I am special and am getting a 42 cavity mold. :bigsmyl2:

[wilddog45]

apparently I am special and am getting a 42 cavity mold. :bigsmyl2:

No wonder this buy is taking so long! Your mold alone is alot of brass!!! :awesome::awesome:

[Paulinski]

Any updates?

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

I am not being sarcastic but is Miha even producing molds? I know he was getting set up in his new shop but does anyone know if he is up and running??? Haven't heard any updates lately and was just curious. I know the molds will be worth the wait.

[greywuuf]

I got a PayPal invoice for a group buy from him about two weeks ago, and people are using the molds that showed up.

homeland defense begins at home.

[69daytona]

Just got an email from Miha today and the 400gr is on the machine now. He said you should start looking for invoices in about 7-10 days.

I will get the list updated and fixed today. Been buying some old cars and lost track.

My new cars are a 31 model A 5 window coupe and a 32 Buick 5 window coupe with straight 8.
Now all I need is a Thompson.

[69daytona]

1. 69daytona, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

2. John Ross, 2, 2 cavity molds, 1 PB and 1 GC with all pins

3. paulinski, 1, 2 cav, PB and 2GC with penta and round pins

4. Captain awsome,1, 2cavity GC with penta and round pins

5. Don Purcell, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins pins

6. Spartacus, 1,2 cavity PB and 1, 2 GC with all pins

7. Happy7, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

8. bushwaker, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins,

9. LowPE, 1 two cavity with all pins

10. wilddog45, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins kclark45athughesdotnet

11. Porterhouse, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins

12. shawnsmc, 1, 2 cavity GC, 1, 2 cav. PB,all pins

13. colt saa, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

14. Blake Stephenson, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins

15. lup, 2, 2 cavity PB with all pins, rstaab (at) panix (dot) com

16. Heath. 1, 2 cavity PB, with all pins, heath_owens at comcast dot net

17. IllinoisCoyoteHunter, 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins, waldbart dot nursery1872 at gmail dot com

18. MajorJim. 1 PB 2 cavity and 1 GC 2 cavity with all pins for both. jmaniii56 at msn dot com

19. Don1955, 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins and 1, 2 cavity GC with all pins. debent55 at frontier dot com

20. jasons, 1. 2 cavity GC with all pins

21 Arthury. 1, 2 cavity with all pins

22. werepyr. 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins Werepyr at yahoo dot com

23.S.B. 1, 2 cavity PB with all pins. bigben1948 at mchsi dot com

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

YAHOOOOOOO!!!! :drinks:

[wilddog45]

Finally!!!

[longbow]

Now boys, I am looking forward to postings with pictures of expanded boolits and destroyed expansion media!!!!! Videos are even better!

Round holes and nice groups in paper are fine for some but I do like a scene of destruction!

Makes me wish I had something chambered in .500 S&W!

Looking forward to your results.

Happy shooting!

Longbow