Second class again,

[morrisammo]

after the Obama election you could not find a primer or bullet to buy, the folks that know I cast bullets, all had me casting bullets for them,, I made a lil Powder money,,
These days, no one seems to be interested in cast bullets,
I still cast my own, for pennies, and they shoot just fine,
Has anyone else noticed this?

[stubshaft]

In my area the price of components are like gas prices, they never come down. In fact I find the opposite has happened in that the masses have found that they could get all the accuracy they need by switching to cast and have seen many converts.

[targetshootr]

Yes, the scare industry worked us over pretty good again. In Dec '08, I bought powder and primers through our gun club at the same price as the year before. Went back again in Jan 2010 and the price had gone up about 2% while stores were marking it up 300%.

[JIMinPHX]

Around me, primers are going for $30/M on average, with the occasional sale on a specific type for around $20/M. Powders by the pound are mostly in the $20-25 range at Cabellas & $16-22 at Sportsman's warehouse.

I've been casting & shooting pretty close to steadily through the whole "shortage". I slowed down shooting a little, but not a lot. Casting allowed me to do that. I still cast. I still shoot. I see no reason to change now. Other people can do as they please. There certainly is plenty of ammo around now, although prices are still a little high. When .45acp hardball comes back down below $15/box of name brand Boxer Brass loaded ammo, I may pick up 2 or 3 boxes. The same goes for .357 ammo when it hits that same price. Other than that, I can't see myself buying any loaded ammo in the next year.

[BulletFactory]

Obama started me with guns and reloading both. The gun due to the election, the reloading because of the ammo, and now with the AWB threat, Ive got a new Socom 16 M1A rifle with a 20 round mag. Thanks BO. The only problem now is that there arent any wheelweights. So many people are hoarding them, that I gave up even trying to find them.

[targetshootr]

Obama started me with guns and reloading both. The gun due to the election, the reloading because of the ammo, and now with the AWB threat, Ive got a new Socom 16 M1A rifle with a 20 round mag. Thanks BO. The only problem now is that there arent any wheelweights. So many people are hoarding them, that I gave up even trying to find them.

Oh good, politics. You can thank the NRA for all the fear mongering.

[iammarkjones]

Yup I will happily stay in second class paying $20.00 for a 7 gallon bucket full of clean WW smiling all the while.

[c3d4b2]

I do not know if it is being demoted to second class.

Normally what happens is the news spreads that supplies are short and people get more than they use. Once they have a few years supply they loose interest.

I may not be remembering this correctly..... Didn't Johnny Carson start a run on toilet paper from one of his comments?

[frkelly74]

There is free lead in them thar hills. don't tell anyone. As the snow recedes the harvest commences.

[Bret4207]

Oh good, politics. You can thank the NRA for all the fear mongering.

Yeah, it's all in our minds, that whole socialist/disarm the people/tax them/regulate them so we can stay in power thing, the whole National Debt/deficit/nuclear issue too.

Sheesh guy, it's a lot bigger than NRA.

[songdog53]

Second class, funny never thought anyone that can take whatever lead he/she could find and wind up with loaded ammo. I was casting reloading long before ever heard of the Obama and with prices they are charging for factory ammo i think will be lot more of us second class people. Obama started the scare and now there are rumors of excutive order banning our guns.

[timkelley]

Yup I will happily stay in second class paying $20.00 for a 7 gallon bucket full of clean WW smiling all the while.

Wish I could be such a second classer.

[targetshootr]

Yeah, it's all in our minds, that whole socialist/disarm the people/tax them/regulate them so we can stay in power thing, the whole National Debt/deficit/nuclear issue too.

Sheesh guy, it's a lot bigger than NRA.

There's no shortage of paranoia out here but regards guns and ammo, it's manufactured paranoia. The NRA uses elections for recruitment drives and nothing works better than fear whether it's justified or not. And it's usually not. So you can thank them for these new prices.

[Bret4207]

IIRC you are quite liberal in your views to start with. Gun control is not a debatable issue, efforts to pass new gun control laws and to disarm people are very real, I haven't seen NRA saying anything about any legislation I didn't find was actually in play. If anything, I find NRA to be somewhat laid back and unconcerned about gun control issues.

[10x]

I live in an area where competition for any scrap lead means visiting tire shops often and getting 20-100 lb of wheel weights. Often someone "just picked them up yesterday".
One of the local guys got a shotmaker and tours the tire shops every two weeks...

[steg]

as far as selling cast boolits or cast reloads, most of the uninformed shooters in my area have tried them and all you hear is they leaded up my barrel so bad I couldn't even see the lands, now you know that they haven't prepared the piece for shooting cast boolits, get the brass out etc. but if this happens once, everyone of their shooting pals hears about it and is turned off on cast boolits, I've given up trying to educate them on the subject, most people would call them Red Necks, and that is an insult to me, I'm a Red Neck and darned proud of it, those people are beyond help, I was even out shooting at a range one time next to a guy using condoms, he quit shooting after one box and i fired two more boxes, handing him the gun every other load, he said I must be rich to be able to shoot that many rounds at one time and sharing also, I told him that I cast my own boolits and I can shoot alot cheaper than he could using tailor mades. He looked at me and said I'd hate to be you when it comes time to clean that barrel, it must be loaded with lead. I took a dry patch and ran it through to get the powder residue out and told him to look thru it, he couldn't believe what he saw, not a trace of lead and a shiny bore. I hope you guys stayed around for the whole read, I get carried away sometimes......................................... steg

[10x]

as far as selling cast boolits or cast reloads, most of the uninformed shooters in my area have tried them and all you hear is they leaded up my barrel so bad I couldn't even see the lands, now you know that they haven't prepared the piece for shooting cast boolits, get the brass out etc. but if this happens once, everyone of their shooting pals hears about it and is turned off on cast boolits, I've given up trying to educate them on the subject, most people would call them Red Necks, and that is an insult to me, I'm a Red Neck and darned proud of it, those people are beyond help, I was even out shooting at a range one time next to a guy using condoms, he quit shooting after one box and i fired two more boxes, handing him the gun every other load, he said I must be rich to be able to shoot that many rounds at one time and sharing also, I told him that I cast my own boolits and I can shoot alot cheaper than he could using tailor mades. He looked at me and said I'd hate to be you when it comes time to clean that barrel, it must be loaded with lead. I took a dry patch and ran it through to get the powder residue out and told him to look thru it, he couldn't believe what he saw, not a trace of lead and a shiny bore. I hope you guys stayed around for the whole read, I get carried away sometimes......................................... steg

I have shot cast bullets for over 40 years. I only had leading problems with the first 20 rounds before I discovered gas checks. Since then leading has been a problem that other folks have had.
My problem now is the competition for scrap lead. A dozen cast bullet shooters here will keep the wheel weight pails in the tire shops empty. What I once hauled away free as a service to the tire shops now costs a bottle or two of Rye whiskey.

[bowenrd]

Supply and demand is what regulates pricing, not the NRA.

[MikeACP]

I'm brand new here. When I started reloading a few years ago,it was to save money. I quickly realized how much I enjoyed my new hobby. I would reload if factory ammo dropped to half it's price. Looking at casting, it looks interesting and fun. Another hobby I can enjoy while in my 50s now. It will be nice to have a stash of lead and bullets. It will be nice to save money. But for the most part,it looks like fun.

[targetshootr]

IIRC you are quite liberal in your views to start with. Gun control is not a debatable issue, efforts to pass new gun control laws and to disarm people are very real, I haven't seen NRA saying anything about any legislation I didn't find was actually in play. If anything, I find NRA to be somewhat laid back and unconcerned about gun control issues.

I'll take that label any day, thank you very much. My beef with the NRA isn't only that they use paranoia to raise money and membership, I also have the feeling they keep states from having any oversight of the gunsmithing trade like there is for most every other trade. If you ever send a weapon to a gunsmith out of state and he does terrible work on it, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

[Rangefinder]

I don't mind being second-class one bit. Most people I know are about minute-of-paperplate on a good day anyway at 100 yds. Every one of my second-rate cast boolits are a lot more accurate than most of the guys around here could ever be. So... Yup--I'm second class with cast boolits that shoot MOA on even a bad day. Where's the problem?

[10x]

I'll take that label any day, thank you very much. My beef with the NRA isn't only that they use paranoia to raise money and membership, I also have the feeling they keep states from having any oversight of the gunsmithing trade like there is for most every other trade. If you ever send a weapon to a gunsmith out of state and he does terrible work on it, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

The N.R.A. is watching what is happening in Canada. They are not paranoid. The Canadian Gun grabbers are following the agenda of the U.S. gun grabbers and up until now it has worked.
Right now in Canada possession of a firearm is a criminal code offense. Sections 91 and 92 of the Canadian Criminal code prohibit possession of firearms - a clause allows for possession without charges if an individual in possession has a license granted under the firearms act. The second that license expires (Every five years on the holders birthday) if the license holder is still in possession of firearms they are subject to arrest, seizure of guns (and accessories), conviction, and a five year firearms prohibition. There is no amnesty in the Criminal code or firearms act that gives a grace period There is an amnesty that is renewed by ministerial whim (Expires May 16, 2011) that gives a grace period. If an election is called prior to May 16, 2011 (very possible) that amnesty will not be renewed. There are 0ver 300,000 people in Canada with expired gun licenses. The police are quietly visiting them, seizing guns, and with some laying criminal charges.
Canadian gun owners look on the N.R.A. with envy. If we had a gun organization with 1/10 of the members and force of the N.R.A. Canadian gun laws just may not have been so bad.

At least your children can still inherit all of your guns. My kids can NOT inherit my S&W K22 because it has a 4" barrel, nor can they inherit my AK47, or my Ruger security 6 (2" barrel").
I have several thousands of dollars worth of guns that will go to the crusher to be recycled because they are prohibited.
Say what you like about the N.R.A. They are working for you - if you do not like some of their policies and directions - join them and show them the error of their ways. If you are not part of the solution, you just may be part of the problem.

[Huntducks]

The N.R.A. is watching what is happening in Canada. They are not paranoid. The Canadian Gun grabbers are following the agenda of the U.S. gun grabbers and up until now it has worked.
Right now in Canada possession of a firearm is a criminal code offense. Sections 91 and 92 of the Canadian Criminal code prohibit possession of firearms - a clause allows for possession without charges if an individual in possession has a license granted under the firearms act. The second that license expires (Every five years on the holders birthday) if the license holder is still in possession of firearms they are subject to arrest, seizure of guns (and accessories), conviction, and a five year firearms prohibition. There is no amnesty in the Criminal code or firearms act that gives a grace period There is an amnesty that is renewed by ministerial whim (Expires May 16, 2011) that gives a grace period. If an election is called prior to May 16, 2011 (very possible) that amnesty will not be renewed. There are 0ver 300,000 people in Canada with expired gun licenses. The police are quietly visiting them, seizing guns, and with some laying criminal charges.
Canadian gun owners look on the N.R.A. with envy. If we had a gun organization with 1/10 of the members and force of the N.R.A. Canadian gun laws just may not have been so bad.

At least your children can still inherit all of your guns. My kids can NOT inherit my S&W K22 because it has a 4" barrel, nor can they inherit my AK47, or my Ruger security 6 (2" barrel").
I have several thousands of dollars worth of guns that will go to the crusher to be recycled because they are prohibited.
Say what you like about the N.R.A. They are working for you - if you do not like some of their policies and directions - join them and show them the error of their ways. If you are not part of the solution, you just may be part of the problem.

:2_high5: could not agree with you more.

Sure easy to blame the NRA if they were not there you could kiss most of the guns you own good by.

[captaint]

10X - We couldn't agree more. I have been an NRA member for 40 years and proud of it. enjoy Mike

[Echo]

I also have the feeling they keep states from having any oversight of the gunsmithing trade like there is for most every other trade. If you ever send a weapon to a gunsmith out of state and he does terrible work on it, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

I think your argument is hypothetical.

If and when I have to send a gun out of state for repair, I include a blank signed check, because I KNOW the smith, and his work. Haven't had to do that for a while now, as I have a couple of good smiths locally, including my across-the-street neighbor. Point being, having an out-of-state smith mess up a gun shouldn't happen, due to our own self-regulating activities. We should only send to smiths that have a good reputation from our own experience, or our chums, or writers we respect.

I could go on, but you get the drift. We are a community...

[Bret4207]

I'll take that label any day, thank you very much. My beef with the NRA isn't only that they use paranoia to raise money and membership, I also have the feeling they keep states from having any oversight of the gunsmithing trade like there is for most every other trade. If you ever send a weapon to a gunsmith out of state and he does terrible work on it, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

I'm not a huge fan of NRA, but thinking like yours leads to some of the problems we have now where people won't join in the fight to retain our rights because of imaginary problems with NRA, GOA, JPOF, etc. You aren't helping, you're just part of the problem. You might as well just join the Brady Campaign or Handgun Control and be done with it.

[10x]

I'm not a huge fan of NRA, but thinking like yours leads to some of the problems we have now where people won't join in the fight to retain our rights because of imaginary problems with NRA, GOA, JPOF, etc. You aren't helping, you're just part of the problem. You might as well just join the Brady Campaign or Handgun Control and be done with it.

Without the NRA the U.S. Second amendment would have become a privilege long ago.
In Canada we have the problem that the Federal Government Department in charge of creating the laws has a significant number of Anti Gun Owner bureaucrats in it. Also true the organizations charged with enforcing the laws. We have identified some of these people how ever they have some sort of "protected" status and it is next to impossible to have them fired, or even moved to a part of government where they are rendered harmless. Some of these "bureaucrats" have moved on and are now judges who enforce the laws they have created - and that is another nightmare.

[1Shirt]

Agree with 10X on this. I am a long time life member of the NRA, and proud to be so. Am not crazy about some of the top dogs in the organization however. That said, there is no other orgainzation that does more to promote gun ownership, gun education, and the 2nd Ammendment. Without the NRA, we as gun owners would, I fear be in a world of hurt right now!
1Shirt!:coffeecom

[olafhardt]

The NRA lives on our fear. I do the round up but I quit. So I don't. get "Sky is falling" junk mail.

[10x]

The NRA lives on our fear. I do the round up but I quit. So I don't. get "Sky is falling" junk mail.

The N.R.A. is a U.S. organization and does not operate for the benefit of any individuals other than U.S. gun owners. There are Canadian gun owners who are members of the N.R.A. as well.

The "fear" that the N.R.A. "lives on" is well founded and has a basis in the anti gun owner rhetoric in the United States, not to mention the wishes and desires of some of the elected representatives in teh U.S. Senate and Congress. \

The N.R.A. also keeps track of what is happening to gun owners in Canada and other countries and how that legislation is enforced as that is what the U.S. can expect for gun legislation if some Democrats and Republicans get their way.

In the U.S. gun control is not a party issue - there are a small number of Democrats who are extremely strong 2nd amendment supporters and a small number of republicans who are anti gun - Sen Wm.Richardson(rtd.), Confrontational Politics.

Part of the reason the "sky" has not fallen in the U.S. (except for California and New York) is the N.R.A.

The "sky" fell in Canada on February 1, 1995, when legislation (Bill C68,1995) was introduced and later passed amending sections 91 and 92 of the Criminal Code of Canada to read "possession of a firearm is prohibited..." A license was also created that may be issued to deffer criminal charges. Under Section 119 of the firearms act, any and all firearms licenses in Canada can be revoked by a single individual without reference and oversight by the Canadian Parliament and without appeal in the Canadian courts. (Section 117 of the Canadian Firearms act also allows this but requires that the Order go before both parliament and the senate for 30 sitting days - that one is seldom used.)

I, BTW, am NOT a member of the N.R.A. because the N.R.A. does not operate in Canada. Nor do I have any affiliation with the N.R.A.

I envy you guys in the U.S. - you can hunt with your handguns, and you can shoot a handgun on the back forty of your farm without facing criminal charges and a lifetime firearms prohibition - unlike Canada.

Bottom line - the "fear" that the N.R.A. lives on has a very real foundation. It has already happened in Canada because we did not have any strong gun organizations to stand up for gun owners.
If enough of the wrong people get into power American Citizens will discover California like and Canada like gun laws being proposed in more states and by representatives of the Federal Government in the Senate and Congress.

[olafhardt]

Is this a piece of fallen sky? No its Maple Leaf. Have you directed this paranoid reteric at your representative? The NRA doesn't vote but I do.
The :coffeecom

[10x]

Is this a piece of fallen sky? No its Maple Leaf. Have you directed this paranoid reteric at your representative? The NRA doesn't vote but I do.
The :coffeecom

It is what has happened in Canada, Australia, and the U.K.
If not for the N.R.A. it would have happened long ago in the U.S.A.
Canadian politicians are much like Mr. Obama - they ignore gun owners and will gore them if they get the chance.

[olafhardt]

A reader of Sporting Gun a UK magazine wrote on that they ought to have an NRA type organization to fight the proposed lead shot bans we have had for over 20 years. They can have silencers too.
Maybe we don't all have the same sky

[10x]

A reader of Sporting Gun a UK magazine wrote on that they ought to have an NRA type organization to fight the proposed lead shot bans we have had for over 20 years. They can have silencers too.
Maybe we don't all have the same sky

Indeed they can have silencers - but they can not have handguns.
Silencers are limited to small bore rimfire rifles.

[olafhardt]

I n"Sporting Gun" various Brits write of using "Moderators" on centerfire rifles and shotguns. I just can't agree that the Nra does that much but blowing smoke. The gun grabbers are beginning to realize that we vote against them because we like our guns, not because the Nra says to. We have real power and will use it. :drinks::drinks::Fire:like a plan :Fire::Fire:

[olafhardt]

Maybe the real reason Obama is president is so many people thought it would be cool to have a black president and he qualified