new boolit lube from Bullshop

[Bullshop]

I am very pleased to announce a new lube soon to be available from The Bullshop. We are calling it Lotak. It is in response to customer requests for a less tacky lube than our speed green.
Speed green is made to be tacky because I like the lube to stay on the boolit and we add an extra tacky ingredient to make it more so.
However not everyone likes exactly what I like so I have been listening and trying to work out a new lube formula that is less tacky but will still stay on the boolit and perform as well as speed green in delivering expected accuracy from rifle or hand gun at a wide pressure range and of course prevent leading.
Lotak has exceeded all expectations and will now become the standard lube used in all boolits sold from the bullshop intended for smokeless powder, unless otherwise requested.
Over the last couple days I have been torture testing Lotak and have gotten some very satisfying results.
One test involved my Ruger Bisley 357 mag using a 135gn boolit cast from Muddy creek Sam's 95/2.5/2.5 alloy air cooled at about bhn-9. These were lubed with Lotak in a .360" die and loaded over 15.2gn Blue Dot with a CCI 400. The Lyman CB hand book lists the # 358480 at 133gn with a max load of BD at 11.6gn for 1426 fps. I didn't have enough light to chrono so dont know how fast they were going but the load was stout.
Gotta love the big ol cylinder in the Bisley. Grouping was perty darn good but the alloy was not up to this in a plain base boolit. Even so at 25 yards there were some nice clusters with some flyer's out to 3" or so.
There was very slight streaking in the barrel but a single pass with a bristle brush with some Kroil cleaned it up completely.
Second test was with a Kimber barreled Mauser 30/06.
Using an LBT LFN GC cast of straight WW at 207gn quenched and sized at .310" with a Gator check and 2 of 5 grooves filled with Lotak.
First load up was 54gn IMR 4350 with the CCI # 200 primer.
This is taken from the Speer # 13 manual for thier 200gn bullet.
This is the max load in the Speer book for their bullet at 2449 fps.
Accuracy was good and up to par for the rifle. The bore condition was black bore, no trace of leading not even a hint of gray color.
A second load tried with the 30/06 was taken from the Lyman CB handbook. It used their # 311290 at 208gn with a max listed load of 43gn H 4895 for 2313 fps at 47700 cup.
I went to 1gn over this load at 44gn and got excellent results and up to par for the rifle which is about 1.5 moa with select loads.
The bore was not as black as with the 4350 load but still very clean and lead free. A single dry patch pushed through is all it took to get a clean shiny bore. I should also mention that I didn't notice and smoke from these loads but must say it was cool at about 0 degrees and a little breezy.
I hope to recruit some well respected members of this site to test this lube in their perfected field and have them report on their findings.
This is looking very good and I am very excited about it.

[legend]

Bullshop,

As i am a HUGE fan of speedgreen,and bullplate both,i can't imagine you making anything that is not top notch !

Therefore i raise my hand and and say i would give your new lube a trial,gladly.

I am soon to try several boolits(new to me) and welcome the chance to work with it.

[Bullshop]

What cartridges would you be using? For this to show any significant improvement the testing has to go beyond run of the mill moderate loads.
It would be OK to look at moderate loadings only if they show significant accuracy improvements over other lubes.
That is why in the few tests I showed earlier I tried to push the performance envelope beyond that of book loads. I was trying to equal or exceed full power jacketed bullet book loads.

[WARD O]

Does it require a heated lub sizer for application?

Ward

[Bullshop]

Sorry I forgot to mention that. This formula we are calling Lotak will not need added heat at normal room temperature to easily flow through a lubrisizer. It has a higher melting point than bees wax so should also do well even in quite warm weather. Time will tell about that point.
I am also working on another formula that will be noticeably harder than Lotak. The carrier wax is twice as hard as of that used in Lotak all else being the same. This harder version will most likely need additional heat to flow at normal pressure.
This should answer the requests for a truly hard lube for those folks that prefer that type lube but still perform as well as the softer Lotak formula.

[Love Life]

Bullshop,

I have used your Speed Green with great success pushing a 255 gr PB boolit of 2/1 pure/lino to 1600 FPS with no leading in a Freedom Arms 454 casull. Right now the temp where I am at varies from -0 to 55 degrees at an elevation of 4,700 feet. If Lotak gives the same results as Speed Green without the sticky feeling then I can't wait to order some.

[Doc Highwall]

Don't forget accuracy.

[scrapcan]

someone with 6.5x 55 or 22-250 leanings needs to step up and test in those applications. Not me, I ams till tyring to find the tricks to make CB shoot in the normal window.

[Bullshop]

Yes high performance with accuracy is what I am after. There are plenty of lubes that give very good accuracy at moderate pressure but when you crank up the pressure the field thins out.
There are also plenty of shooters that want factory level performance from their home made boolit ammo myself included so that is the area I am working.
With my 30/06 I am exceeding book loads for jacketed bullets of slightly lighter weight.
My velocity should be ball park of the max book loads and I am getting acceptable hunting accuracy say about 2.5 moa. This with straight ww and an absolutely clean bore free of any leading.

[legend]

I have just bought the bator mold from midsouth and i plan to try your new lube in both a 700 bdl 223 varmit special,and, i have a ruger 220swift i will use it in later in the spring.these should be fun as i have not fired cast in them yet.

I also will be useing a 7.5x55 k-31 which has been very accurate(i think) with speed green and these old eyes.


Ahaaaa to have 30 year old eyes again..............

[Bullshop]

legend
I answered your PM and will get some to you asap.

I got to do a little more testing today. First up was my Ruger SBH 10". I just finished a large order of 44 mag ammo and the Dillon was still set up to throw 24gn H110.
All I had to do was re set the seater for the 250gn Lyman/Keith I wanted to try. This plain base boolit was cast of straight ww and air cooled. Looking in the Lyman book I see this load is 1gn under max and in the 1300 fps area. The load shot very good grouping up to par for the gun at 25 yards. At 100 yards I had no trouble ringing the 12"x12" gong I have set up using the factory sights.
Inspection after shooting showed a clean dark bore. Looking in the barrel in the bright sun light we finally got today I could see just a trace of gray on one side of the grooves.
This cleaned out easily with one pass of a bristle brush and some kroil. All was well with the 44 so I went to a Savage 223 AI with a 1/9" twist.
First off with the Savage I tried one of its accuracy loads of 11.5gn 2400 with the 72gn NOE boolit. These were cast of 6ww/1monotype quenched, sized .225" with a Gator check and of course Lotak lube. The accuracy load was absolutely up to par with speed green lube and shot to exactly the same zero. That was good but too easy a test for a high performance lube. Ok so to give a real test I went to the hornady book and picked a max load of 23.5gn Varget for their 75gn bullet in the 223.
I needed to fire form some cases so loaded in standard 223 cases not pre formed AI cases. I was very pleased and surprised to see a nice uniform 5 shot group of about 1.5" and also to the same POI as the lighter load.
Checking the barrel showed black bore condition with no visible fouling what so ever.
I am pleased. I dont think this lube will be a limiting factor to any load. I feel that alloy shear strength will become an issue before this lube will. I have taken this lube to the point where accuracy deteriorates but the bore is still clean so think the limit of the alloy had been reached.
Now I am at the point where I need some other peoples opinions on this lube because as a vendor of this product my praise wont carry much weight.
I am still thinking on who to ask to do some testing who's opinion will carry some weight with this forum.

[Bullshop]

Even though the cost of making Lotak is a bit higher than for our other lubes we will stay with the same price at,
$2.25 per 1.7 oz hollow stick
$17.50 per 1 pound block

You will not see it on the lube list at our site because we have been locked out and are unable to make changes there. I am going to start another thread at the correct forum to ask for help with that. Any suggestions on how to help with that will be appreciated but please PM them.

I have another month or so before I have to pursue our subsistence half and plan on continuing testing of this lube until then. As last year we will continue to fill lube orders after shut down but will only accept casting orders on a limited basis.

[stubshaft]

PM sent

[Bullshop]

I got to chronograph some of the loads today.
I was trying to get close to the velocity that the loading books show with jacketed bullets but with boolits instead.
Data from Speer for the 30/06 showed their 200gn bullet with 54gn max of 4350 going 2450.
Using an LBT LFN and 54gn 4350 I got 2370 average so 80 fps off.

In the 223 AI I was way under what Hornady said for the 223 using their 75gn bullet and 23.5gn max Varget and getting 2600 fps.
The 23.5gn in the 223 AI and the 72gn NOE gave only 2280 average.
Jumping up to 25.5gn got me to the 2600 average the same as what Hornady was getting with about the same bullet weight maxed out.
I tried one shot at 27gn and got 2700 fps. The shot was still center but about 2" higher than the rest. It showed signs of being about max for the 223 AI with this boolit powder combo.
I dont know how to calculate rpm but think I must be getting near the top at 2700 fps with a 1/9" twist.
Accuracy at this level was not equal to that of a jacketed bullet from this rifle. It will shoot 1/2" with the 69gn Sierra. Even so it is giving usable accuracy for a lot of different shooting chores. It should keep you in the 90% hit range on PD's at 200 to 250 yards. It will also easily stay in the roughly 6" kill zone for coyotes to 300 yards or so.
I did notice a sharp drop in accuracy with flyer's out to 2.5" with the top loads in the 223 AI after about 20 shots without cleaning. A couple patches with Kroil, followed by half a dozen strokes with a bristle brush then a couple dry patches brought the accuracy right back. This Lotak lube is looking pretty good.

[sabbatus]

pm sent

[rockrat]

PM sent

[randyrat]

I'm looking forward to try this Lotak. I haven't even picked the SRH 44 up yet. When I do I will contact you. I am going to need a good lube as you described "Lotak" I know the speed green worked real good in everything so far, so I'm sure Lotak will be supreme. I don't have the time to mix/ make lubes right now, so I depend on you lube experts to keep me going. I have enough of a time keeping my fat Norwegian maidens milking all the bees for wax, you know.
I'd be happy to trade fodder sometime with you.

[Bullshop]

I love trading!

[Bullshop]

We now have the Lotak lube available in two versions. The standard version I Have been testing and the hard version. Just as expected the hard will need added heat on your sizer press.
Both are available in cake or stick.
Samples have been sent out and we should be seeing the results of other folks testing soon.
Stay tuned.

[Bullshop]

Hello all,

Beware this is going to be a long post. Tomorrow I will be testing a new lube from the Bullshop. This new lube is called Lotak Hard. Below is a little background and my initial impression/experiences with Lotak Hard.

Background: Speed Green is an amazing bullet lube. It keeps leading to ZERO in my barrels for the 454 Casull, 357 Magnum/38 special, 9mm, and 45 acp. I do not use gas checks. I actually hate using gas checks. All the bullets I fire are plain based and an alloy of 1:1 linoure. Now Speed Green may be an amazing lube, but it sticks to everything. It sticks to lube grooves (good thing), your fingers, other bullets, cases, etc. There have been several times I dumped a box of boolits into a tray and several were all clumped together. When loading on my Dillon 550B lube would end up in the seating die and on the case. This was not conducive to good order and discipline on my reloading bench.
Well apparently I was not the only one to who ran into the above issues with Speed Green. After several threads concerning the stickiness of Speed Green the Bullshop posted about a new lube they were going to plan on using that had all the great qualities of Speed Green without being sticky. Actually there are two new lubes. Lotak and Lotak Hard. Anywho I stated that I would love to purchase some Lotak Hard for use in my 454. I was contacted by the Bullshop and asked to test their new Lotak Hard boolit lube. Needless to say I was honored and accepted the task. The Bullshop sent me a block of Lotak hard for testing in my Freedom Arms 454 Casull with a 7 1/2 inch barrel.

Initial Impression of Lotak Hard: The Lube arrived at my house about a week and a half ago. I opened the package and picked up the block of lube. I could immediately tell the difference. There was no sticky residue on my fingers. Plus Lotak Hard looks good and smells good to. So I boiled out all of the lube from my Lyman 4500, let dry, etc. Once the 4500 was ready to go I melted some Lotak Hard and poured it into the sizer. I let it cool overnight. Temp was in the high 30's. The next day it took about 20 minutes of heat to get the lube flowing easily. Once it started flowing well I shut the heat off. The boolits lubed that night were
1. RCBS .356 115 gr RN sized .357 150 total
2. Lee .358 125 gr RNFP sized .358 100 each
3. Lee 452-255-RNFP sized .452 50 each
4. RCBS 45-270-SAA 50 each
The Lotak Hard went into the lube grooves easily and stayed there. Once all the boolits were lubed they were put into appropriate boxes overnight.

Second impression: Last night I sat down to load up the ammo for my test of Lotak Hard. The first thing I did was dump boolits into trays. No boolits stuck to each other. The 9mm was loaded on a Dillon RL550B. I seat and crimp in different steps to keep my cases as clean as possible because Speed Green tends to creep up and gunk up my seating die and cases. Well I had absolutely no issues with the Lotak Hard. So I then said "Well let me see." and I proceeded to load the last 50 9mm with the seating/crimp in step. No issues there either.
The 357Magnum, 38 Special, 454 Casull, and 45 Colt were all loaded on a single stage press with each charge weighed and trickled to be uniform. Time consuming, but I had time.
The guns these will be shot out of below:
9mm-Glock 26 with factory barrel. I have fired several thousand rds from this gun and no nuclear explosion yet.
357/38 special- S&W TRR8
454 Casull/45 Colt- Freedom arms

Conclusion- So far Lotak Hard has been very easy to work with. Much easier than Speed Green. If it provides the same performance (no leading and accuracy) then I know where my next money order is headed. Sorry this is so long winded, but I believe all the information provided is necessarry.

#1
Love Life
Boolit Man




Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Coleville, Ca
Posts: 135 Lotak Hard from the Bullshop= Awesome!!

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Well my final testing of the new lube Lotak Hard from the Bullshop is complete. My results are below.
All boolits were plain based.

Shooting impressions
Freedom Arms 7 1/2 inch barrel
454 Casull:
Boolits- Lee 452-255-RNFP sized to .452 50 fired
Powder: 2400
Velocity: 1,580 FPS +/-
Accuracy: clover leaf at 25 and 50 yards. 75 yards was 3 inches. That's what I usually get so no surprise there.

RCBS 454-270-SAA sized to .452 50 fired
Powder: 2400
Velocity: 1,400 FPS +/-
Accuracy: Clover leaf at 25 and 50 yards. The real surprise was the 75 yard target. I usually get between 3-5 inch groups. These groups ran 2-4.

S&W 327 TRR8 PC
38 Special
Boolit: Lee 125 gr Flat point sized .358 100 fired
Powder: Unique
Velocity: 875 +/-
Accuracy: 1 to 1 1/2 in groups at 25 yards. At 10 and 15 yards the groups were 1 inch. I decided to shoot this load at 60 yards and was able to shoot 4 shot groups of 2-3 inches.

357 Magnum
Boolit: Lee 125 gr FP sized .358 100 fired
Powder: 2400
Velocity: 1,460 +/-
Accuracy: 25 Yards was 1 to 2 inches. 60 yards was 2-4 inches. This is what I usually get using Speed Green as a lube so Lotak Hard provided the same performance.

Glock 26
9mm
Boolit: RCBS 356-115-RN sized .357 300 fired
Powder: HP-38
Velocity: 1, 025 +/-
Accuracy: 10 yards was a big 2 1/2 inch hole. 25 Yards was 4 inches. That's what I usually get with speed green as well.

Alloy was 1:1 lino:Pure for all boolits fired. None of the load/boolit combinations showed any leading. A little smoke was noticed when doing rapid fire with the .38 Special and 9mm. All I can say is if you are new to casting or even old to casting it wouldn't hurt to give this lube a try. I tested in 2 hanguns that can be a real pain for lead boolits. The 9mm and the 454. All boolits fired were plain base. I have attached targets for the 357 and 38 special as they make me the happiest. If anybody has any questions please let me know.

Dick
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[Bullshop]

1580 fps from a revolver with a plain base and shootin good and shootin clean.
I think we got what we were after.
Thanks Dick, we appreciate your input.

[Bullshop]

I forgot to mention that if anyone is looking for Lotak at our site you wont find it there.
We are still having issues with making changes at our site and right now we are still unable to add things or make changes.

[bbqncigars]

I know that if I go to making greasers, I'm going with Lotak. Daniel, you are a true treasure to the boolit community.

[Bullshop]

Range report on Lotak by Stubshaft

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Bullshop was kind enough to send me a sample of the new Lotak Soft lube to test for him. Over the years I have used a wide variety of lubes and have gotten used to the basic fact that they all leave a sticky residue on your hands when handling the . Some are definitely worse than others like the old NRA lube and even LBT Blue hard stills leave my fingers with a sensation of being tacky. Lotak does not. It feels to me like handling play dough and although the lube is harder it leaves what I would call a "dry, slightly slippery" feeling on my hands. It does not stick to other boolits or pull out of the lube grooves, it just feels different.

One of the reasons that I was interested in trying it was that I had a specific problem with Felix lube in which I was getting vertical stringing as the barrel heated up. Accuracy was great, there was no leading whatsoever, but if I shot continuous strings the shots would start to string vertically. I spoke to Felix about this and he agreed that his lube was probably too slick for my barrel (an MGM 22 K-Hornet built off of a Shilen Match blank). I tried to "water" down the lube by adding more BW and it helped a little but would still exhibit the same problem after about 12 shots.

This is a target shot using Felix lube. The numbers indicate the order the groups were shot. ALL of the groups are 3 shot and the load for both lubes were identical.




This is the target shot with Lotak lube. With the exception of the first group in the lowere left corner (which was shot out of a perfectly clean barrel) there was little or no vertical srtinging. In fact the horizontal dispersion was probably worse in many cases but I was shooting in a full value crosswing blowing from 15mph to 35mph.



After shooting 50 rounds with no cleaning whatshoever I checked the barrel and found no leading and a beautiful lube star at the muzzle.



The rifle is an Encore with an MGM barrel, 12X Leupy, Stratton hanger bar forend and EABCO locking hinge pin.





The load is:
225415 cast with 70/30 alloy (lino/pure) sized to .225"
11.6gr WC 680BR
Magtech Small PISTOL primers
Remington brass
2455 fps


I will continue testing Lotak with a couple of other boolits like 225438 and RD 225-55. But looks to me like the problem is no longer evident.

Now I just have to get used to not having sticky fingers after handling Cast Boolits...

[Shotgun]

I've been trying to find Bullshop's web site, but it only gives me an e-mail. I try to send an e-mail to it and it comes back. Anyone know how to contact him/them?

[square butte]

Check the date of this thread. Bullshop is no longer in business.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I've been trying to find Bullshop's web site, but it only gives me an e-mail. I try to send an e-mail to it and it comes back. Anyone know how to contact him/them?

see this thread
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=149414&highlight=bullshop

[Bullshop]

Back in business again and lube is available again. No website. PM your needs and questions.

[SwedeNelson]

Bullshop

Great to see you are back.
Hope all is going well.

Swede Nelson

[9.3X62AL]

Very good to see! Would that lube offering include Sprue Plate Lube?

[Bullshop]

Thanks Swede Al

Yes 9.3x62 Al that goes for bullplate sprue plate lube as well.
We might even have a modest web site in the near future.

[rhbrink]

I just saw this thread great to see you back! Hope that everything is going well for you!

Richard

[MGySgt]

Welcome back -

[1Shirt]

Like the others have been saying: WELCOME BACK GUY!
1Shirt!

[725]

Outstanding. Glad you got back here. Don't need anything now, but I'm sure I will soon.

[mhat]

Glad ya'll are back.

[SharpsShooter]

:guntootsmiley: Welcome Back Dan! You've been sorely missed.


SS

[Stick_man]

Welcome back Bullshop! Very good to see you posting again. Glad to hear you are once again offering your lubes here.

And there was much rejoicing throughout the land!

[patsher]

Welcome back! I'd like to try some of your Lotak. PM incoming.

Pat

[altheating]

Welcome back Bullshop. PM on the way.

[mstarling]

Great News!!!

Glad to see you back.

[Bullshop]

Bullshop as a new email address ~ bullshop@nemont.net

BS MOM

[popadopa]

Bullshop shows this to be their new email,

bullshop@newmont.net

popadopa

[old_haidouk]

Bullshop, I m glad you are back but also hope your move was not just to boost sales. It worked for me as I bought several lifetimes supply of bullplate.

[MGySgt]

Bullshop has been talking about this move for at least 2 years to his customers and those here on Cast Boolits - so to insinuate that they did it to boost sales is, well I can't say that as I will be banned!

[Bullshop]

old haidouk
Thats funny!!! I can tell you this though that moving a 40 passenger buss and a one ton truck each pulling a 16 foot trailer all loaded HEAVY and being powered by Canadian fuel a distance of over 2500 miles cost us just a little over what we made off your purchase.
Now if your beginning to feel in the holliday spirate you should start giving that old stock to friends and loved ones and re supply your personal stock with fresh product.
Fresh new stuff is a nice feeling dont ya think?

[Mooseman]

Bullshop, I m glad you are back but also hope your move was not just to boost sales. It worked for me as I bought several lifetimes supply of bullplate.

All I can do is just shake my head on this one...

[goodsteel]

Bullshop, I m glad you are back but also hope your move was not just to boost sales. It worked for me as I bought several lifetimes supply of bullplate.

Bullshop has been talking about this move for at least 2 years to his customers and those here on Cast Boolits - so to insinuate that they did it to boost sales is, well I can't say that as I will be banned!
That was.......low. Too low.
It is duly noted.
Congratulations, you have my attention.

[fishnbob]

I must be naive. The thought never crossed my mind.

[nanuk]

I thought it was funny and in good humour!

but not the Canadian Fuel prices.... I just bought stove oil for $1.10/liter...

[Hamish]

I'm with nanuk on this one. I think it was meant to be funny and didn't come out right. Benefit of the doubt?

[MGySgt]

That is one of the problems with written sacasium/dry jokes - they normally do not 'sound right' in the written word.

[bearcove]

How much is gas up in the Yukon now?

[Hamish]

That is one of the problems with written sacasium/dry jokes - they normally do not 'sound right' in the written word.

I have a close friend with a Filipina wife and a beautiful 6 month old girl. Joking around on facebook I made a comment about her being funny looking and smelling bad.

Within 5 minutes there were about 10 irate Filipina's wanting to know where to find the man with the funny beard.

I try to be more careful now.

[Bullshop]

I have a close friend with a Filipina wife and a beautiful 6 month old girl. Joking around on facebook I made a comment about her being funny looking and smelling bad.

Within 5 minutes there were about 10 irate Filipina's wanting to know where to find the man with the funny beard.

I try to be more careful now.

Good thing she is not Itallian!

[wlc]

How much is gas up in the Yukon now?

Here in the valley diesel is $4.36 and gas is +-$4.19 now. I was up in Delta visiting a friend last month and their prices were only a penny or two higher than ours.

Sorry for the highjack....

[Bullshop]

I dont remember for sure but seems like in Yukon it was that much per litre.

[sffar]

Bullshop,
Welcome back–good to know you're well and back in business!
Sam

[cobbmtmac]

Bullshop,

Any chance you would consider making "Speed Green" in tube form again?

I would sure be pleased,

[Bullshop]

I am considering it but for sure it wont happen until the weather gets cold enough to keep me inside.
Right now I am spending days running set lines in the river and calling coyotes.

[Bullshop Junior]

Learn Something new everyday. I didn't even know that you were back online.

[Roundnoser]

That is one of the problems with written sacasium/dry jokes - they normally do not 'sound right' in the written word.

Thats why there are those little yellow smiley face do-hickies you can add to your comment. Here, let me try it...

"Bullshop, I sure hope you did move just to boost sales":kidding::lol:

MUCH BETTER!

PS: Glad your back!

[lastborn]

Welcome back. I must be out of the loop. Where did you move to?

[Bullshop]

We are now working our boolit majic from the thriving metropolice of Saco Montana.
Located a boolits flight from the CM Russel wildlife refuge and just another shot to the U L Bend wilderness.
Population 500,000 cows.

[ssn vet]

How far do you have to drive to get to the mail box now? :)

[Bullshop]

Since the mail man is also the local dairy farmer we send mail by cow twice a day. They are very punctual you know.

[semtav]

Glad to see you back Dan !! I've been wanting to order some more lube since I gave all mine to a neighbor to keep his supply up. I spend most of the summer on the south side of the lake from you.
Brian

[Bullshop]

Well if ya can swim common over to my side. We have lots of lube made up and it floats.
Thanks for the welcome.

[semtav]

Can't swim, but I can fly !! 8-) PM me your co-ordinates and I may show up one day.
Or if you live in town, pm me your address

[hicard]

Your hard lube sounds great and I am glad you are back so I can renew my lube supply with your Lotak hard someday soon.

[krems]

Howdy neighbor!.....Glad you are back and welcome to Montana. Been meaning to try some of your products

Krems