what mold for heavy,fat,flat for 30-06

[bingo]

Can not find a mold that meets my needs. My savage model110 shoots the little lee 155gr 312 sized to .311 at 1900fps gas checked lee alox 2 coats imr 28gr with dracon filler really really good.

O K for tree rats but want something heavier tor deer. 180-220 for weight. A big flat nose and it must drop ww/pure at least alittle over .311. Will try to stay close to 1900 fps.

Would like to keep cost down but if a custom mold is the only option or a group buy, I will save for it.

Please let me know what is availible or close to it.

P S the powder is imr 4895

Thanks Mark

[Smoke-um if you got-um]

It's not as heavy as your asking but everything else describes Ranch Dogs 165 grain GC TL bullet. At about 1900 fps it will do everything your asking for. It is made for 30-30's but does great in my 30-06's as well. Drops at .311-.312 depending on alloy. With #2 alloy and gas check it weighs 164 grains from my mold. It has a big wide meplat and the TL grooves. Somebody else will chip in here in a while and probably say the same thing. This bullet flat out works. ;)

Good luck,

Mike

[runfiverun]

can't help much here, i use the rcbs 150 fp at the same speed and [imr powder] load for deer.
lee makes a 180 . and lyman makes a 170 fn 311141 or 144,044 it has some 4's at the end. sumthin like that.
the 314299 is closer to 200 grs but has a more rounded, and usually a 304 ish nose.
there are a few others but those are bout the most popular.

[rhbrink]

Can not find a mold that meets my needs. My savage model110 shoots the little lee 155gr 312 sized to .311 at 1900fps gas checked lee alox 2 coats imr 28gr with dracon filler really really good.

O K for tree rats but want something heavier tor deer. 180-220 for weight. A big flat nose and it must drop ww/pure at least alittle over .311. Will try to stay close to 1900 fps.

Would like to keep cost down but if a custom mold is the only option or a group buy, I will save for it.

Please let me know what is availible or close to it.

P S the powder is imr 4895

Thanks Mark

One thing to look for in your Savage is that the factory usually puts a very short throat in the barrel ahead of the chamber. At least everyone that I have any experience with has. This greatly limits your choices of boolits that will fit in the neck and still have the weight that you are looking for without seating the gas check below the case neck. I know that some people do this and don't have any problems with it but everytime that I have seated the gas check down past the junction of the neck and shoulder I have accuracy issues.

[northmn]

A bullet I have shot a few deer with is the Lee 312185 mold made for the 303 British. I ahve used it very successfully in my Marlin 30-30 sized to 309. To get a flat nose I use a flat nose punch when sizing. Another bullet I have used is the Lee 200 grain and took a deer with it out of a 303 Brit.. Many like the RCBS 180 gr FP. I used the Lee 312 mold by accident as I had a 180 grain mold that gave problems fitting into the throat of the 30-30 but the 312 did not. I shoot all my deer loads for 30 cal at about 1900+. The old Lyman standby 311284 that casts out at about 220 grains is not all bad either.

DP

[Larry Gibson]

bingo

I've killed many a deer with the 311041 (both solid and HP'd) cast of a softer malleable alloy in numerous .30 cal rifles, including several '06s. My load, in the '06s, was most often 28 -30 gr 4895 (amount depended on flavor of 4895) with a 3/4 gr dacron filler. Velocity was 1850 -1950 (depended on barrel length) fps. I sized the bullets at .311, lubed them with Javelina and most often used Hornady GCs. Couldn't have asked for more with a regular GC'd cast bullet out of an '06.

Larry Gibson

[zdogk9]

bingo

I've killed many a deer with the 311041 (both solid and HP'd) cast of a softer malleable alloy in numerous .30 cal rifles, including several '06s. My load, in the '06s, was most often 28 -30 gr 4895 (amount depended on flavor of 4895) with a 3/4 gr dacron filler. Velocity was 1850 -1950 (depended on barrel length) fps. I sized the bullets at .311, lubed them with Javelina and most often used Hornady GCs. Couldn't have asked for more with a regular GC'd cast bullet out of an '06.

Larry Gibson

I'm playing with the same combo at the moment and have been quite pleased with the results I'm getting, only I'm sizing to 0.310, PM me an addy. and I'll sent you 20 or so to play around with.

[OBXPilgrim]

+2 on Larry's load (or was it Ben's?). Does 1800 fps out of my 22" Handi Rifle and shoots great. If I didn't have other loads I wanted to try out (in other calibers), I would have just stuck to this one - it's a good one.

[northmn]

The alloy is what makes the bullet as there are so many designs that will work. Some use a little harder alloy than I do and do not treat them, some heat treat with a little harder alloy, some HP them and so forth, But if you get pretty good expansion most of the good bullets will work. You see a lot of praises for cast bullets. I prefer a heavier bullet closer to 200 grains or so, not because it is needed to penetrate a deer so much as it seems like bullets most commonly get driven at about 1900-2000 fps. At longer ranges the heavier bullet retains velocity better and will have a better chance of expansion. While I have not tried your 155 grain bullet (I am assuming it is the pointed one) I think it would work with the correct alloy on deer. I would prefer a heavier one with a blunt nose. I had very good expansion with the 200 grain Lee with its realtively blunt round nose. Lee also makes a 170 grain flat nose.

DP

[runfiverun]

larry got it, the 041.
i got home and looked, i actually have it. [just couldn't member the number]
it's nose is a bit more tapered than the fn i use, and it does not have as much nose bearing length as the rcbs 150 that the savage 0-6 likes.
i got the 041 for my 1918, but will give it a try in the savage sometime this summer.


there's good info in the other posts above.

[smlekid]

how about this one 240gr from memory from CBE Moulds in Australia mould no 316240
it might be alittle on the big side

[runfiverun]

i checked the 041 in my savage 110 and it will sit waay too far [for me] below the case neck to let it chamber.
it'll work fine in the 1918 however, maybe the 30-30's will like it.

[northmn]

Waht I ran into with one mold was that the bullet did not ride in the rifling. My 180 Lee does not chamber in my Marlin with the same length as the nose is too thick, but the one for the 303 British rides perfectly. Had a bunch of hardcast bullets that looked like they came out of a 041 that were a bit large that way. Some bullets are bore riding and work better.

DP

[skeet1]

I also shoot the Lee 312-185 bullet in my 03A3 and it works very well and doesn't cost very much for the mould. Mine casts .313 too small for my .303 but I size them to .311 for my 06 and they are just fine. The bore riding nose fits with slight resistance and engraving into the muzzle.

Ken

[pls1911]

I believe Smok'em has the easiest answer which would be very satisfactory, that is the ranch Dog 165. It's designed to cast .311-.312, has a huge meplat and heat trated with a shoulder shot from a 30-30 at 1900 fps, drops a 300 pound pig in it's tracks like it was a rabbit. It should work perfectly from an '06... heck, I'll buy your mold if it doesn't!

If you insist on a heavier bullet, go with the RCBS 180 FN.
It normallly casts a bit over 190, and it too has a huge meplat for a big slap factor....

[white eagle]

this is the one I use from Tom @ Accurate Molds
functions flawlessly in my model 94
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-170C-D.png

[bingo]

Did a swap for 25 ot the ranch dogs. Results are as follows- Loaded 5 diff.loads of imr 4894 from 28-32gr.

Now remember these groups are only 2 or3 shots. At 25 yds 28,29,30 were basicly one hole.
At 100yds 29 gr. was 1.4 inch 3 shots. 32 rr. was .7 inch 2 shots.

Gun is a savage 110 with 3x9 from a bench and lead sled. Needless to say I am getting the mold. If anyone would like to try some I would be happy to send them once I get the mold and cast.

Mark

Thanks for all your imput

[scb]

Seen this one?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=102895
Group buy going on now.

[44 flattop]

My 311041 drops bullets from 80/20 ww/lead sized and ready to load at 180.5grs. Shoots very very nice at .311 from a couple different .30-30's at nearly 2000fps using 3031.

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