35 cal rifle bullet 2400 fps

[bthomasb1]

Hello all,i'm a newbie here and too casting.I just purchased a lot of magma casting equipment and will be starting to cast bullets ,after I do a lot more reading on here.I have a question ,I'm getting a 35HCR its a 35 caliber magnum I plan on using for bear,It will push a 300 g boolit to about 2600 fps,.My question is can i get close to that fps with a cast boolit and will it be accurate too 200 yards maybe 300.I have been reloading for 25 years and do some 1000 yard shooting so I know all the variables involved I am just wondering if cast boolits would be capable.Thanks Brian

[waksupi]

I shoot a 290 gr. at around 2100 fps. Point blank is 225 yards. With bear, there is no reason you can't get a lot closer for a shot.

Welcome aboard.

[Bass Ackward]

Hello all,i'm a newbie here and too casting.I just purchased a lot of magma casting equipment and will be starting to cast bullets ,after I do a lot more reading on here.I have a question ,I'm getting a 35HCR its a 35 caliber magnum I plan on using for bear,It will push a 300 g boolit to about 2600 fps,.My question is can i get close to that fps with a cast boolit and will it be accurate too 200 yards maybe 300.I have been reloading for 25 years and do some 1000 yard shooting so I know all the variables involved I am just wondering if cast boolits would be capable.Thanks Brian



Yes. Bullet design and WEIGHT will be paramount to THAT gun. So it will help to make a throat slug and see what you have to deal with and what your bullet design can look like. Then design one to work with it.

I do 2400 fps in my Whelens, but only to 220 grains. So if you got a long enough barrel to burn slower powders, then you have a chance with something heavier.

Plenty of stuff if you use the search function.

[303Guy]

Hi bthomasb1:drinks:

You might try paper patching. Have a look under Smokeless Paper Patching. Softer alloys, lower pressures than jacketed, jacketed velocities, no leading (clean and shiny bore) and good accuracy.

[Bret4207]

Welcome. Yes, you can do what you want. Just be aware that anything over 2K with cast is generally Masters degree territory. Anything over 2400 is Doctorate level work. Concentrate on fit, both static and dynamic and producing the best possible boolits and loaded ammo you can. It won't be a cake walk, but you have the benefit of using the Blessed 35 Caliber, about the most cast friendly caliber there is.

[1Shirt]

Interesting Bret!

Masters to 2400, Doctorate beyond that! Must say that is not a bad way to put it!

I have numerous loads that are accurate and non/or very lite leading at levels up to 2400, but have never tried to go beyond that. Have pretty decent loads in the 2300 level w/K-Hor,222,223, but have not been able to do it with 22-250. Have good accurate 7x57 loads that will work well at between 2200-2300. Same can be said for 30-30,308, and 06. Don't have a 35 above 357, so can't comment on that, but one of these days will break down and have a 358 built.

Can't agree more with fit based on trial and error. Am not much for slugging bores. Am also a firm believer in Lar's Canuba Red lube, as I think (all other things considered) that it will do as advertized.

To date have never had a desire or need to go beyond the 2400 fps level with cast. I am working on 375 H&H loads that I have up to 2250, and a bit beyond, and am convinced that I could get these loads up 20 2400. Hoewver, they are rough enough on the shoulder at 2250, and are more accurate than I am, so will stop there on that ctg. So, think I will be content with my masters, and let others who feel the need for vols in excess of 2400 go for their doctorate.
1Shirt!:coffeecom

[Von Gruff]

Then that would be the highest qualification i have and fairly chuffed about it. Get my 7x57 to 2415fps and good hunting accuracy and my 404 up to 2481fps but best accuracy was down at 2465fps. Doctorate huh. would like to have that on the wall.

Big welcome to you bthomasb!. You are going to have to tell us what that stands for Brian. [smilie=s:

Von Gruff.

[Fat-beeman]

I shoot and hunt 35 rem with 200 gr gc at around 1850 to 2000 fps seems to hold good groups and have taken 6 deer this yr with it I use 2400 and 3031 don't find hotter is any better.but I take most deer at less then 150 yds
Don

[runfiverun]

you can take the 35's up there pretty well.
i run my 358 win [with a 250 gr boolit] at full jaxketed velocity,@2300 or thereabouts it's accurate too.
the recoil gets a bit much after about 10 shots.
you might not get the 2600 and accuracy.
but 2300-2400 and acceptable accuracy should be easily achievable, the 35's are very easy to work with.

[45 2.1]

Then that would be the highest qualification i have and fairly chuffed about it. Get my 7x57 to 2415fps and good hunting accuracy and my 404 up to 2481fps but best accuracy was down at 2465fps. Doctorate huh. would like to have that on the wall.Von Gruff.

Don't get too excited about Bret's analogy............. a lot goes on behind the scenes in private that would not be believed if it got posted.... so it doesn't and will probably remain that way. And yes, 2400 fps is easily achievable.............. do it right and 2600 is too.

[Bret4207]

Bob, consider the analogy from the standpoint of a rank beginner. It's not far off from that point.

[Marlin Junky]

bthomasb1,

Capable of what? A 16" twist CAN get you past 2400 fps with 250-260 grain boolits in a Whelen and do it at less than 2MOA but you didn't indicate any specifics about your cartridge case capacity or barrel configuration. You're going to need gobs of something like 4831 and a cast friendly barrel to accomplish what you're after and if you're thinking about using your .35 boolits on big bear, you may want to experiment with softer alloys and the paper jacket. I would definitely want a decent amount of consistent, reliable expansion when hunting potentially dangerous game with anything subordinate to a wide meplat .45.

MJ

[45 2.1]

Bob, consider the analogy from the standpoint of a rank beginner. It's not far off from that point.

From a rank beginners standpoint.......... probably yes. BUT, the performance envelope doesn't get pushed forward by rank beginners either, or by the normal member of this forum.

Having shot several heavy 35 and 375 rifles, the details of the cartridge would be nice to know.

I would definitely want a decent amount of consistent, reliable expansion when hunting potentially dangerous game with anything subordinate to a wide meplat .45.

Expansion at those velocities with accuracy is not very difficult to get. The problem is overexpansion that is destructive to the game shot.

[bthomasb1]

Thanks for all the help ,the gun isnt built yet so I have a lot of work to do before It gets built like twist.As 45 2.1 said about expansion thats the main reason I decided to cast ,I shot a 400 lb bear last year at 30 yards with my pc 500 smith 500 grain hornady factory loads hit him on the shoulder and that bullet flattened like a pancake,so much for breaking the shoulder and holding him in his tracks the second shot was double lung and 60 yards later he was done.I am used to pushing the envelope with jacketed so I probally will with cast also.Im having a strain guage installed on the gun to go with my oehler 43 so I dont blow myself up (ha ha)Any ideas on bullet design twist powders will all be thankfull I will add specs as I learn them. thanks

[Moonie]

If 35 Whelen is enough for all but thick skinned dangerous game in Africa why would you need more than that for any of North America's bears?

Just me, I am kicking around the idea of a 35 Whelen build.

[Larry Gibson]

As to twist; suggest not faster than 14" for accuracy at 2600 fps, a slow burning powder that gives 95 - 100% loading density with the expected velocity, a 250 gr cast bullet of a softer malleable alloy such as linotype/lead at 70/30 or 80/20 and a GC'd bullet of course. Not sure I'd get excited over 2600 fps as 2300 - 2400 fps should be quite sufficient.

Larry Gibson

[Bret4207]

If 35 Whelen is enough for all but thick skinned dangerous game in Africa why would you need more than that for any of North America's bears?

Just me, I am kicking around the idea of a 35 Whelen build.

IMO the Whelen is adequate for anything that walks in the US, if not the world. Finding the proper balance between velocity, expansion, penetration and accuracy is the key. A heavy FN boolit through the vitals simply works.

[1Shirt]

Yep, Bret's got it right! Get it in the vitals! Gut shots are messy, possibly dangerous, and show lack of practice and range time!
1Shirt!:coffee:

[Bullshop]

When shooting dangerous game I prefer the gut shot to all others. It works perfectly every time if you can position yourself so the entry is center of the skull.
Gut shooting from this angle indicates adequate penetration.

[WKAYE]

Bullshop.thanks buddy. You provided me with a good laugh there. I couldn't agree more.:lol:

[robroy]

When shooting dangerous game I prefer the gut shot to all others. It works perfectly every time if you can position yourself so the entry is center of the skull.
Gut shooting from this angle indicates adequate penetration.

Bull, That takes some serious hunting skill and some durn good luck!

[Von Gruff]

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When shooting dangerous game I prefer the gut shot to all others. It works perfectly every time if you can position yourself so the entry is center of the skull.
Gut shooting from this angle indicates adequate penetration.

Von Gruff.

[smokemjoe]

I shoot a 310 gr. LBT and CBE bullet out of my 35 Rem. bench rifle with AA2495 -37 grs.
or 31 grs. ofVV133 or 34 grs. V135,