please read..home ammo law...

[castalott]

Some of the wags on the net think a new law 'might' be a restriction on the amount of ammo you have on hand. The very pragmatic Swiss thought this question out and came to the followiing conclusion...They decided you could only store 20,000 rounds for EACH firearm in your home. Absolutely no more than that!

This is what I remember from a post long ago....Anyone else ever heard of this?

[fatnhappy]

I believe you may have mistyped. Knowing the swiss, it's more believeable that you're required to have 20,000 rounds per firearm.

[highwallbo]

I better get on the stick i'm down to my last 10000.

[johnch]

Only 20,000 rnds %&#$@#@@ I will have to start shooting to get down that far [smilie=1:

LOL I wish

Johnch

[jhalcott]

Certain states and localities limit possession to 1000 rounds or component pieces(bullets primers cases) and 5 pounds of gun powder. That is a total number NOT per WEAPON.

[mike in co]

Certain states and localities limit possession to 1000 rounds or component pieces(bullets primers cases) and 5 pounds of gun powder. That is a total number NOT per WEAPON.

its not nice to start this type of thread..as who knows might use it in the future....

having said that...what state ????( i'm calling bs....)

( dont spread gossip....esp about what we like ....)

[castalott]

My intent was to protect the Constitution, not harm it. Moderators, by all means delete this thread....my apologies...

Dale

[Buckshot]

.............No reason to delete it. You stated up front where your info came from:

"Some of the wags on the net think a new law 'might' be a restriction on the amount of ammo you have on hand."

You can read anything you want to on the web, and some seem to delight in sensationalism. On the other hand, it may prove to be a timely little mental 'jog' to possibly pick up a few more sleeves of primers or a jug of that special powder you use so much of, eh?

Also the above mentioned possibility is something that had been floated by the federal gov't during the Clinton years.

..................Buckshot

[jhalcott]

Check Marylands "gun laws" for an eye opener.

[mike in co]

Check Marylands "gun laws" for an eye opener.

sorry i'm sticking with bs...
until you post an actual law which shows a state law with such an ammo restriction........ not incendary, ap or such...just a general law that says citizen a cannot have more than xxxx.......357, or .30'06

show me !

mike

[wills]

The NRA publishes synopses of state firearm laws at http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/
which include the appropriate statutory citations.

Also, findlaw has a convenient collection of links to the statutes.
http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/

[mike in co]

i'm from mo'suri.......show me....dont tell me it exisits.....do a cut and paste and post it.....you made a statement....i'm simply asking you for the proof.......post it here.....no telling me to go search for it......

[ssgt]

Actually, ammo would,as it would with many other items, fall under the statutory umbrella known as "Hoarding" . So even in the absence of a specific law they still can have you if they want you. This is true of pretty much anything, not simply ammo.

[mike in co]

Actually, ammo would,as it would with many other items, fall under the statutory umbrella known as "Hoarding" . So even in the absence of a specific law they still can have you if they want you. This is true of pretty much anything, not simply ammo.


AGAIN....quit passing on gossip......show me something in print!

[ssgt]

Sir, if you are unaware of the statutes concerning hoarding you are either 3 years old or in a coma. Therefore , my pointing them out for you would be meaningless. Perhaps a evening course in "current Events" at your local community college would be time well spent for you!

Most fed regulations would/could only be applied in the case of martial law via FEMA....States however, may and do have their own take on the subject.

[waksupi]

Yep, definitely a hoarding law. Don't remember if the limitation is one month, or six months. So, may of us after hunting season, are in voilation.

Alan Korwin, Author
> Gun Laws of America
>
>
> It's time to remember what the Democrat party generally seeks
> regarding guns and gun rights. The list below was widely circulated
> while Clinton was in power. (This list and more is available at my
> website, http://www.gunlaws.com.
>
> The democrat-backed Brady group and similar outfits have been quiet
> about guns because they want to win the election, and impose their
> goals on your rights --
>
>
>
> THE FIVE YEAR PLAN:
>
> 1. National Licensing of all handgun purchases.
>
> 2. Licenses for Rifle and Shotgun owners.
>
> 3. State Licenses for ownership of firearms.
>
> 4. Arsenal Licenses (5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition).
>
> 5. Arsenal License Fees (at least $300.00, with a cap of $1,000.00).
>
> 6. Limits on Arsenal Licensing (None in counties with populations of
> more than 200,000).
>
> 7. Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns.
>
> 8. Inspection License. (Gun safe licenses, yearly fee for spot
> inspections).
>
> 9. Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than
> 200,000.
>
> 10. Banning all military style firearms.
>
> 11. Banning Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in a
Machine
> gun.
>
> 12. Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range
> or in transit from one to the other.
>
> 13. Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale, possession,
> transfer, installation) except barrel, trigger group.
>
> 14. Elimination of the Curio Relic list.
>
> 15. Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms.
> (7.62x54R and .303).
>
> 16. Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession..
>
> 17. Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945).
>
> 18. Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder
which
> would constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of
> ammunition.
>
> 19. Ban the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kg. at
any
> one time.
>
> 20. Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo.
>
> 21. A National License for Ammunition.
>
> 22. Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components.
>
> 23. National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.
>
> 24. Requirements of special storage safe for ammunition and
> licensing.
>
> 25. Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than
> 200,000.
>
> 26. Special Licensing of ranges.
>
> 27. Special Range Tax to visitors. ($85.00 per visit per person).
>
> 28. Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges.
>
> 29. Banning Gun Shows.
>
> 30. Banning of military reenactments.
>
> PLUS:
>
> Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.
>
> Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship.
>
> Ban on all realistic replica and toy guns (including "air soft" and
> paintball).
>
> The right of gun-violence victims to sue, with financial assistance
> from government programs, the gun manufacturers.
>
> Taxes on ammo, dealers, guns, licenses to offset medical costs to
> society.
>
> The eventual ban on all semi-automatics regardless of when made or
> caliber.
>
>

[carpetman]

Ok Im not much over 3 and have been in a coma most of that time. On top of all that I was circumcised and couldnt walk for a year. So what is a hoarding law?

[mike in co]

Sir, if you are unaware of the statutes concerning hoarding you are either 3 years old or in a coma. Therefore , my pointing them out for you would be meaningless. Perhaps a evening course in "current Events" at your local community college would be time well spent for you!

Most fed regulations would/could only be applied in the case of martial law via FEMA....States however, may and do have their own take on the subject.

yes me two..over three.....

sounds like another wimp that is spouting of ****...but has no idea if any of it is true.....

put up or shut up...plain and simple.....( thats for both of you...)

[mike in co]

Yep, definitely a hoarding law. Don't remember if the limitation is one month, or six months. So, may of us after hunting season, are in voilation.

Alan Korwin, Author
> Gun Laws of America
>
>
> It's time to remember what the Democrat party generally seeks
> regarding guns and gun rights. The list below was widely circulated
> while Clinton was in power. (This list and more is available at my
> website, http://www.gunlaws.com.
>
> The democrat-backed Brady group and similar outfits have been quiet
> about guns because they want to win the election, and impose their
> goals on your rights --
>
>
>
> THE FIVE YEAR PLAN:
>
> 1. National Licensing of all handgun purchases.
>
> 2. Licenses for Rifle and Shotgun owners.
>
> 3. State Licenses for ownership of firearms.
>
> 4. Arsenal Licenses (5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition).
>
> 5. Arsenal License Fees (at least $300.00, with a cap of $1,000.00).
>
> 6. Limits on Arsenal Licensing (None in counties with populations of
> more than 200,000).
>
> 7. Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns.
>
> 8. Inspection License. (Gun safe licenses, yearly fee for spot
> inspections).
>
> 9. Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than
> 200,000.
>
> 10. Banning all military style firearms.
>
> 11. Banning Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in a
Machine
> gun.
>
> 12. Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range
> or in transit from one to the other.
>
> 13. Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale, possession,
> transfer, installation) except barrel, trigger group.
>
> 14. Elimination of the Curio Relic list.
>
> 15. Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms.
> (7.62x54R and .303).
>
> 16. Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession..
>
> 17. Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945).
>
> 18. Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder
which
> would constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of
> ammunition.
>
> 19. Ban the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kg. at
any
> one time.
>
> 20. Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo.
>
> 21. A National License for Ammunition.
>
> 22. Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components.
>
> 23. National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.
>
> 24. Requirements of special storage safe for ammunition and
> licensing.
>
> 25. Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than
> 200,000.
>
> 26. Special Licensing of ranges.
>
> 27. Special Range Tax to visitors. ($85.00 per visit per person).
>
> 28. Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges.
>
> 29. Banning Gun Shows.
>
> 30. Banning of military reenactments.
>
> PLUS:
>
> Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.
>
> Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship.
>
> Ban on all realistic replica and toy guns (including "air soft" and
> paintball).
>
> The right of gun-violence victims to sue, with financial assistance
> from government programs, the gun manufacturers.
>
> Taxes on ammo, dealers, guns, licenses to offset medical costs to
> society.
>
> The eventual ban on all semi-automatics regardless of when made or
> caliber.
>
>

yes but NO KNOWN LAWS SHOWN HER ON THIS THREAD....PERIOD!

THE STUFF LISTED ABOVE IS AVAILABLE ALL OVER THE NET, FROM THE NRA AND DEM'S......
BUT SHOW ME THE LAWS!


( REMEMBER....THEY DID BAN A BUNCH OF GUNS, AND HICAP MAGS!....I NEVER SAID IT CANT Happen...i just said show me a current law!)

[felix]

Mike, there probably is no law, like there is no law for the 1040. ... felix

[fatnhappy]

Name calling is unwarranted.


http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/scripts/lc.pl?entry=hoarding&sites=wlegal




The case law on hoarding is pretty straight forward, and doesn't have anything to do with firearms. Old ladies with cats and financial securities mostly. Hoarding didn't even turn up in the Cornell online legal database.

[Explorer1]

HCI started the 5-year plan over a decade ago, the modern version still exists. Remember, Ms. Brady was a big part of HCI.

What is REALLY on the books today? First - I am NOT a lawyer, so take at YOUR OWN RISK as I do NOT know (no care much) about the state laws in other states. The real limiting factor IMHO is NFPA. Thats the National Fire Protection Act. I beleive WA State has limits on powders, etc. and the clones of the NFPA limits.

I also beleive NFPA and DOT regs is why few are selling powder at gun shows, you can't move (or store) large quantities without painful licenses (read that as EXPENSIVE).

Bottom line - DK/DC. (Don't Know, Don't Care)

[mike in co]

Mike, there probably is no law, like there is no law for the 1040. ... felix


that is 10cfr23 or 26.......
and you are riight there isnt one.....just a "rule" that there is a $500 administrative fine for not filing

but i gave that up years ago......

[PatMarlin]

I have...

1 box of 22 bullets. 1 box of 12ga bird shot, and 2 boxes of thutty aught six officer.. :mrgreen:

[waksupi]

Well, mybe no one can bring it up on the books, I don't know. I for one, would rather not wait until the last minute to find out. We know what happened in New Orleans.
Some don't like me to advocate violence here. Tough. If it comes to the point, where you are supposed to take your arms somewhere and turn them in.

Go.

And shoot every SOB involved in the collection of said arms. I mean it. Do it. Or, all of your freedom is gone.

I could be wrong. Check with surviving people from the 1940's, from Poland, those of Jewish background, and surrounding areas.

Never again.

[sundog]

I would more suspect that you would find this kinda stuff in building codes rather than public law. sundog

[PatMarlin]

Building codes? What's that... :confused: :mrgreen:

[PatMarlin]

It would take an army much larger than ours I think to go door to door like they did in Europe. There's a lot of horders in this country. This country was built from hording... :mrgreen:

Now the cities where the libs live, that will roll over when you unplug their TV may have a problem... [smilie=1: :mrgreen:

[mike in co]

I would more suspect that you would find this kinda stuff in building codes rather than public law. sundog


YES BUILDING CODES!

IN SO CALIF an antigun group went thru the fire dept and building codes to limit gunpowder to 8 lbs in a store TOTAL!...IT WAS ALL BASED ON OLD OUT DATED BLACK POWDER DATA...but they put reloading sales out of biz in one city!

[mike in co]

i'm still waiting for the rumor mongers to show us something in print......

[Scrounger]

YES BUILDING CODES!

IN SO CALIF an antigun group went thru the fire dept and building codes to limit gunpowder to 8 lbs in a store TOTAL!...IT WAS ALL BASED ON OLD OUT DATED BLACK POWDER DATA...but they put reloading sales out of biz in one city!

Is this recent? Three years ago when I lived there the stores stilled stocked powder and primers. If I remember correctly there was a law passed limiting the amount of powder that could be displayer but they could have more on hand in storage if they built a fire dept/DOT approved storage chest. I guess most of them did, or maybe they just ignored the rule. Not my department...

[mike in co]

the city was 'NATIONAL CITY' a town so of downtown san diego and north of chula vista.
so calif...not la....

[PatMarlin]

What happens in Kalifornia, stays in Kalifornia.. :mrgreen:

[swheeler]

Kalifornia, The land of "fruits" and "nuts".

[PatMarlin]

I live in the State of Jefferson..!

[swheeler]

And I live in the state of da nile!

[PatMarlin]

Well let me set the record straight...

For all you folks that think California is statewide liberals, fruits, and nuts, it's not. In fact the far majority of the land and most all of the north is made up of hardworking conservative gun-toting god fearing people like myself.

All it takes is LA, Sacramento, and San Francisco blips on the chart to screw up the reputation of an otherwise fine state... :roll:

[swheeler]

In the early 1970's I lived and worked in Kaliforniastan, a little place called Westminster(burb of LA) what a mess of people, way TOO many for a country boy, three months later I changed jobs and ended up in Eureacka (SP) and later Redding, beautiful country, nice people, a whole "nother world" from the city life.

[eljefe]

This link is to a 3 year old case in Baltimore, Maryland.

http://www.citypaper.com/columns/story.asp?id=1774

Granted, Mr. Wheeler holds some opinions that I do not share; i.e. white supremacy,etc. However, the grounds for his arrest were firearms/ammo related.


Here is a link to our laws regarding powder, smokeless or black.

http://www.firemarshal.state.md.us/

"Same - Possession of explosives for use in firearms.-

(1) Subject to paragraph (2) of this subsection, a person need not obtain a license to possess or store up to 5 pounds of smokeless powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition, and up to 5 pounds of black powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition or for use in the loading of antique arms or replicas of antique arms, if the smokeless powder and black powder are stored in their original shipping containers and are possessed only for personal use in firearms"

[mike in co]

This link is to a 3 year old case in Baltimore, Maryland.

http://www.citypaper.com/columns/story.asp?id=1774

Granted, Mr. Wheeler holds some opinions that I do not share; i.e. white supremacy,etc. However, the grounds for his arrest were firearms/ammo related.


Here is a link to our laws regarding powder, smokeless or black.

http://www.firemarshal.state.md.us/

"Same - Possession of explosives for use in firearms.-

(1) Subject to paragraph (2) of this subsection, a person need not obtain a license to possess or store up to 5 pounds of smokeless powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition, and up to 5 pounds of black powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition or for use in the loading of antique arms or replicas of antique arms, if the smokeless powder and black powder are stored in their original shipping containers and are possessed only for personal use in firearms"

thanks,
( like i said watch out for codes....fire, and building.
but we still do not have a cite for ammo limits)

[cropcirclewalker]

If ordinary citizens don't get the heck outa Maryland as soon as possible, I don't know what.

NFPA codes allow storage of up to 20 lbs of propellant on ordinary shelves etc in the home.

More than 20 but 50 lbs or less per the code should be stored in a wood magazine of 1" nominal thickness but not sealed up tight cause, you know, it burns real fast when it is in a confined place (sorta like in a brass cartridge).

There is no force of law in NFPA. It is like a suggestion.

Please get the heck outa Maryland.

[wills]

If ordinary citizens don't get the heck outa Maryland as soon as possible, I don't know what.

There is no force of law in NFPA. It is like a suggestion.

Please get the heck outa Maryland.

Well, the problem is it gets legislatures and municipalities to adopt its "codes" as law, then makes a lot of money selling copies of the code, which of course changes constantly so the older versions are obsolete and they can sell the newer versions. So I’ve heard anyway.

[eljefe]

The gunpowder storage charge was the technical filing in the case I cited.
What drew attention to Wheeler was the combination of disbursing racist literature and alleged possession of a stockpile of guns and ammunition.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4183/is_20050105/ai_n10064981

I seriously doubt that anyone is in danger of going down the same path unless several conditions are met.

Living in a crowded section of a major city.

Disbursing literature espousing unpopular political themes.

Living in Maryland. (tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Mr. Wheeler has become quite famous on the net with the black helicopter crowd;
theorizing that the US government actually perpetrated the attacks on the twin towers. While I find his views less than credible, I object to his being targeted for prosecution as a result of them.

Most of Maryland is actually a very nice place to live. We are like any state with large urban centers; held captive by the politics and sentiments held by most urbanites. The eastern shore and western parts of the state are typically very pro 2nd amendment and oppose the irrational fear of an armed citizenry.

[mike in co]

do they sell 8 pounders of powder in merriland ???

how do they justify that if you are only allowed 5 lbs ???

duh are thier idiots in this state or what ???


still waiting for a LAW on ammo( the original title of this thread)

[Harry O]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to join this discussion, what with the unnecessary name calling going on. However, there are definitely places that limit the amount of ammunition a person can have and also the amount of reloading supplies. Thankfully, that is not where I live. But, I have relatives who live near New York City and have talked with them and their neighbors when I have visited there. Anyway to be specific, the State of New York does NOT limit ammunition or reloading supplies, but it DOES allow each city in the state to set limits. All they need is to have a majority of anti-gunners on the City Council.

The specific New York State law is as follows:

S 139-d. Storage and display of firearms, ammunition and explosives.
1. Any municipal corporation may by local law or ordinance regulate the
storage, possession and display of firearms, ammunition or explosives.
Such regulations may provide for:
(a) the establishment and enforcement of standards of design,
construction and maintenance of buildings and structures in which
firearms, ammunition or explosives are stored;
(b) the establishment and enforcement of standards of security for the
storage of such firearms, ammunition or explosives;
(c) the location of such buildings and structures;
(d) the quantity of firearms, ammunition or explosives which may be
stored in such buildings and structures; and,
(e) the manner of such storage.

In particular, look at part (d). I have talked with people who live in suburbs of NYC that say they are limited to 1,000 cartridges or an equivalent number of primers -- in addition to very small amounts of powder. I do not have copies of their laws and I am not going to bother to look in each little burg in New York to see if they have been taken over by anti-gunners. However, if anyone dismisses this as an "urban legend", they are just plain wrong.

BTW, I have also been told that this fight is also being fought in zoning laws and fire laws (which means more places to look -- and don't expect Google to do the work for you). In particular, I have been told by people who live in New York that they need to get a permit from the Fire Chief in order to load ammunition and the permit is very difficult and/or expensive to obtain. Be thankful you don't live there.

[swheeler]

Harry O; this doesn't surprise me, remember the Clinton years? Our type 1 FFL was turned in because of that administration, definately tones of pink there!