A Glock In The Gun Safe Next Tuesday

[9.3X62AL]

After all the hate mail generated by my report of having dared to use a J-word bullet to take my first deer this season.......I hesitated to report this latest acquisition. But, here goes anyway.

I have avoided Glock pistols in the past, owing to their reported dislike of cast boolits. Their aesthetic qualities don't warm my heart, either. But the things WORK, very reliably. And--Marie has been after me to get one for The Collection, she wants to play with it. I got some long stares when the 40 S&W I bought last month WASN'T a Glock, too.

I've nosed around for a good carry 45 for some time, and at the same shop Buckshot scored his 92 rifle I got a chance to compare ergonomics of the SIG P-220 and the Glock 21. Both fit my hand very well--differently, but both good. Weights of the stainless SIG and Glock "full up" are pretty close, the SIG alloy framed variant would have been lighter. 14 rounds on board vs. 9.........not a huge factor, but "5 more rounds" is what it is.

This was on Thursday--the next day off from deer hunting was Saturday, so Marie went with me to the shop for a pistol fit test. I had to drag her away from the knife display case--Spanish women and knives, HIJO LA......."THAT is a nice skinner, isn't it?" We gave the M-21 a try-out, it fit her hands well and she liked how it felt. "THIS would be fun to shoot!" We bought it, to Marie's obvious delight. While I did the requisite and voluminous paperwork to get things under way for the Governator, Marie discovered the jewelry section inside the shop. Pretty savvy marketing by Big John, the shop owner--Dad gets a new toy, so Mama can get a gewgaw too. Between the knives and the jewelry, there will be no keeping Marie out of the place.

I'm looking forward to shooting and carting around this 45 ACP, and finding out for myself if cast boolits in a lead-friendly caliber (45 ACP) will behave themselves in the notorious Glock barrels. What the heck--Bar Sto Barrels is only an hour away, and is right on the way to some good quail hunting country. Most of my cop buddies own at least one Glock, and have looked at me funny when I said that I didn't have one. The agency that covers the area I live in has issued Glocks for some time, so now I'll fit into the landscape a lot better with my dishwasher-safe service sidearm.

[Dale53]

Deputy Al;
Please don't tell anyone, but I don't have a Glock, either....

Good luck with your new purchase. I betcha like it just fine.

Dale53

[Four Fingers of Death]

I thnk th eproblem with the +40 cals is more the brass than the lead. Our Dept blew up one on the first magazine once. I'd be buying the brass bulk and not reloading again, or just getting a Bar-sto, you'll never wear the sucker out! I am Glockless at the moment and am shooting a quick strip (Beretta 92FS). Them green ones look mighty gooddddddddddddddddddd! Mick.

[KTN]

Deputy Al,
.45 acp will work just fine with cast boolits from Glock barrels.I don't have personal experience with .45 acp in Glocks,but my 9mm and 10mm auto Glocks are doing fine with cast.This group is fired with G20 10mm auto,RCBS 200gr swc at 25 meters off hand (sometimes I get lucky,and shoot groups like this)


Kaj

[9.3X62AL]

Now, THAT is a keeper, Kaj! My S&W M-1026 dotes on the RCBS 200 grainer, too.

I'm hoping that the low pressure and general lead-friendliness of the 45 ACP combine to let castings work in the M-21. As always, some 100-150 rounds of factory stuff will go through the pistol first. If something is going to fly off or fark up during a firearm's maiden voyage, I prefer that to happen with factory ammo providing the ambiance (and liability protection). I know the 9's and 40's have some really wide chamber dimensions, and if that is the case with the 45 then an aftermarket barrel will be a near-term addition.

[slughammer]

This is a pic of case support from my Glock 35 in .40. Looks like plenty of support.

[OBXPilgrim]

Well I wouldn't tell anyone it's ok to shoot lead in a Glock, but I got a 9mm G17 back in '89/'90 that I had around 900 147gr lead reloads through it before I heard the first word about it being a no-no. I've had a G21 for around 10 years & shot very little lead through it because of the warnings.

I think most people that get in trouble with them are on the high end of the pressure curve. If you have to, I'd say stick to heavy boolits/mild velocities.

[Bigjohn]

Deputy Al;
As a penence for mentioning the 'J' word you should go to the shed and immediately cast 1k boolits from a .45 cal mold. Best if they are a 230gr RN.

On a sad note:- I miss my COLT 1911 Series 80 Govt. which we had to hand in during the last enforced gun buyback. Man, did it chew up anything I fed it especially liked the 230gr RN.

I have seen two Glock's in .45ACP chew on a regular diet of cast boolits without a hitch.

At least when you have finished your penence you will be ready to reload for the lastest addition.

:drinks:
John

[MtGun44]

Could you explain? Can't imagine being forced to sell a gun I liked,
but the "buy-back" sounds like it was an issue weapon or something.

Perhaps in another coutry with strange gun laws.

Just curious.

Bill

[Ron]

G'day Dep Al. Good to see some of my raving about GLOCKS when I stayed over at your place has paid off. I must admit that I didn't think Marie would have time for shooting what with all her studying etc, but really good that she approves of the G21.
If you are thinking about an after market barrel, try the Storm Lake model, the one that arrived at your place for me is a real shooter., I've got no complaints about it and it's only US 98.00 plus postage.
Looking forward to hearing your range report.

Regards to Marie,

[KTN]

Deputy Al,
have you tried RCBS 200gr swc in your .40 S&W yet?My buddies CZ 75 B just loves that boolit.Low pressure is the key to succes with Glocks.My loads are loaded to the level where they will reliably cycle the gun and make minimum PF.


Kaj

[fourarmed]

A friend of mine shot a .45 Glock with cast for years, and never had a problem. He was fanatical about cleaning the bore, though. He had a piece of PVC pipe with caps for both ends that he filled with a mixture of vinegar and hydrogen peroxide (as I recall). He would drop the barrel in that overnight, then scrub the heck out of it with a bronze brush.

[Stray Round]

Deputy Al, I think you will be very pleased and suprised with your Glock. They are a shooting machine, kind of the AK47 of the handgun world.

Especially with the easy cleanup after using cast. Several years ago, after hearing all the horror of leading in the Glock rifling from cast, which was in total contradiction from my experience, I once ran somewhere over 1k of cast thru a
G19 without cleaning. I kept a pretty close check on ejection patterns for pressure signs and looking through the bore aftereach session. No leading and the gun cleaned up spick and span with just a few passes of a bronze brush. Noooooo, malfunctions of any kind, just squirt on some oil and go.


As for the chamber support legend of the 40 Glocks, I have to say I've never witnessed it. Way back when, being a range officer/trainer for a PD several small to large agencies used our range. Being friendly, helpful (read begging brass) and having the keys, I gladly received spent brass on occasion. No casing showed signs of unssuport, the chamber is generous in demensions allowing expansion but the chamber supports up to the web like everything else out there.

Well, some rounds were maybe unsupported, that was the occasional 9mm fired in the 40. They look like a 9mm except for about 3/16" of the case mouth that is flared out to 40 cal.

Have fun with your new toy!!!!!

[Bigjohn]

MtGun44;

An enforced Gun buyback is what happens when an Anti-gun Pollie (Politician) decides he has a mandate and decrees through his minyons that firearms greater than .38" or with barrels shorter than 4" in revolver and 5" in Semi-auto, should not be in private hands. The Guberment then forces you via changes to the Laws of the land to sell said firearms to them or have them confiscated. :(

Basically it is political blackmail of the people whom they are meant to represent to their own ends, IMHO. As a result of the changes, I had to surrender for some compensation my COLT .45 ACP which I enjoyed shooting immensly.

It would be no use voting the little bast@$d out of power as the opposition is just as bad if not worse. THEY do not trust us! :-?

Here in ends todays rant.

The compensation received did enable me to purchase a .357" S&W Highway Patrolman which I am now learning to shoot. Definitely handles differently to a COLT. :Fire:

Shooting the same with cast boolits. :castmine:

Have fun and keep shootin' straight!

John

[Four Fingers of Death]

Could you explain? Can't imagine being forced to sell a gun I liked,
but the "buy-back" sounds like it was an issue weapon or something.

Perhaps in another coutry with strange gun laws.

Just curious.

Bill


I have written a summary of the situation here and can email it to you tonight if you are interested.
Mick

[floodgate]

Mick:

""I have written a summary of the situation here and can email it to you tonight if you are interested.""

I think a lot of us here are interested / concerned; could you post it here for all of us? In California, only a short list of handguns can legally be sold, after having gone through an extensive - and expensive - series of destruction tests - separately for each finish and barrel length option! It CAN happen here!!

Doug

[robertbank]

Well I don't have a Glock, may one day get a G17 but I do pick up .40cal brass after Provicial Fish & Game types do their qualifying at our club. Without exception the cases the brass has a noticeable bulge at six o'clock on the brass. They shoot Glock 40's. Maybe Glock has changed the barrels in newer production but it is the .40cal Glocks that seem to go boom using lead.

Glad to hear others have had no trouble shooting lead because that is the only reason that has kept me away from a Glock for IDPA.

Deputy Al really looking forward to your range report on your new gun. I think your gun shop owner ought to have to be married to two women for putting jewelery in the same shop as guns. That is not playing fair.:mrgreen:

Take Care

Bob

[9.3X62AL]

KTN--

No work with the 200 grain RCBS in either of the 40 S&W's I've owned--the present CZ-75, or the former Beretta 96. The CZ has only had 100 rounds of factory "plain white box" W-W 180 FMJ's through it so far. I have those fired cases lined up for 175 grain Lee TC's currently--after deer and upland bird seasons slow down a bit, I'll assemble them. There's not much data out there for the 40 S&W and 200 grainers, I'll nose around for some.

Stray Round et al--

While I'm sure the kB problem with Glocks and cast boolits have occurred, I don't think the phenomenon is nearly as widespread in the real world as it has been in cyberspace--and I don't think it is directly related to cast boolits, either. I've detailed in previous posts what I believe has taken place, related to those swelled case web areas Robert Bank speaks of. I've seen them also, and I suspect what happens is that the swelled area gets ironed out during its trip through the sizer die, essentially work-hardening and weakening that area somewhat. Luck belongs in casinos, not pistol ranges--sure as hell, that weakened case web area in a reloaded cartridge aligns itself with the unsupported portion of the pistol chamber, and under firing pressure the weakened web area lets go. I ran this scenario past a Glock rep that visited my old agency, and he got a funny look on his face when I detailed this idea to him. He said "You are definitely in the ball park" or an equivalent statement. It almost takes a death threat to get those guys off their "ONLY USE FACTORY AMMO" mantra. I believe that late-production (3rd Generation?) Glocks have a more supportive chamber/feedramp arrangement than previous editions had. In any event, if the chamber's radial clearance at any point causes excessive distention/expansion of brass, the aftermarket barrel will get the nod.

Ron, I'm already getting the ducks in a row barrel-wise. I really liked the looks of the Storm Lake unit--did it fit up easily?

[Ron]

Allen, the Storm Lake dropped right in as if made for the G34. At 15 metres the bought boolits were following each other through the same ragged hole. I've got to get a .356 sizing die to size my cast boolits so until then, I am using bought ones.
I hope to get to the range early next week and will take the camera with me. Hopefully I will shoot something worth photographing and posting here.
Al, visit GlockTalk.com, they have a lot of info on the Storm Lake and other barrels. IIRC mostly all of the Storm Lake shooters were glad they didn't spend big bucks on other brands.
I mentioned on an earlier post that IMO the reported KB's with Glocks were probably the result of the shooters loading up over pressure loads with lead projectiles. Keep them within published safe loads and no problemo.:Fire:

Still want to read your range report.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Mick:

""I have written a summary of the situation here and can email it to you tonight if you are interested.""

I think a lot of us here are interested / concerned; could you post it here for all of us? In California, only a short list of handguns can legally be sold, after having gone through an extensive - and expensive - series of destruction tests - separately for each finish and barrel length option! It CAN happen here!!

Doug



I found the document and was going to make a new thread in the off topic section, but it is miles too big. A lot of the guys here will have seen it I'm thinking. I will email it to anybody who emails me at:

fourfingersofdeath@hotmail.com

Mick

[9.3X62AL]

Ron--

I'm sure your belief on kB causation is at least as likely as the scenario I developed for the Glock rep's edification. Chasing a power factor has scattered parts in more than one pistol in more than one caliber, for sure.

For a drop-in barrel to perform that well speaks highly of the product. That barrel was an impressive component visually, I'm glad its work followed suit.

Until very recently, I had no real-world reason to visit Glock Talk. :-)

[carpetman]

Dep Al--Be careful. Symptoms are already developing. You are getting a Glock. Talking Glocks. Visiting Glock Talk. You might progress to the point you can't turn down buying every Glock you see even if overpriced. Don't become a Glock sucker.

[slughammer]

...There's not much data out there for the 40 S&W and 200 grainers, I'll nose around for some.


There is 200gr data from both Winchester and Accurate.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Glock sucker, someone gotta give them a good home, like all those old military rifles and leverguns, Mick :-)

[9.3X62AL]

I got the Glock 21 home yesterday afternoon, and unlike most new toys--I actually took out the instruction manual and read the thing.

I paid particular attention to the description of the barrel's bore profile. It has "8 surfaces", I think that means octagonal. No twist rate was given, it doesn't look especially fast. I plan to slug the bore a little later to see just what I'm dealing with dimensions-wise.

The pistol is an incredibly simple design, and the metal parts are pretty robust. I still have trouble accepting the ultralight receiver's polymer construction, but their durability has been more than proven. There's always the CZ-75 or S&W Model 16-4 to play with if I need a booster shot of "all steel handgun".

I'm hoping to give the pistol a maiden voyage this coming weekend with factory loads. Glock sucker??!! Raymond, BEHAVE.

[robertbank]

Man reading instruction manuals is catching.:mrgreen: Lets not make a habit of it as it gives us all a bad name.

Was there any warning about using lead in the polygonal barrel? I know some guys say they have replaced the barrels in their Glocks with Bar Sto barrels so they can shoot lead but again, as some have posted, no problems have occurred with "their " guns. I have seen pictures of the Glock .40 Cal Kabooms, most of which were attributed to shooting lead in the barrels.

May one day have to make the jump and get a Glock 17 or the slightly larger version in 9MM. You do have me interested in the .40cal though. Just never considered it as I always thought lead was a no no in Glocks.

Take Care

Bob

[Hunter]

A good friend of mine had a Glock.....once

[redneckdan]

only kB I've seen was a full sized glock in .45acp Not really the guns fault. The shooter had just started reloading and had asked me previously for advise about reloading. I had said go single stage until he had mastered the basics. Another club member piped in claiming I was full of bull and to just get a dillon. Well he got a 550B and some how triple charged a couple cases with bullseye, after the kB we found some rounds that were heavier than 2 STDEV and pulled them apart to measure the powder.

[robertbank]

If you google Glock kabooms there are lots of pictures of Glock 40's that came apart. From what I have read, mostly from shooting lead in polygonal barrels. I have no experience with the Glocks and lead so I cannot comment from personal experience.

I have to tell you the guy who managed to triple charge a pistol round with a 550B had to have the brains of a gnat! I can see a double charge if you get careless when setting your powder amount but once that is done with and you are rolling along triple charging would take some effort in stupidity. About the same as double charging using a Lee dipper.

Single Stage presses are great for rifle but for amyone who shoots comptitively even for entertainment, with pistols, they simple are just to slow. I use my 550B really as a speedy single stage press when loading rifle as I like to weigh each charge primarily because I use a lot of extruded powders and the dillon powder measure flys with ball powders but is not at it's best when it comes to extruded. Just my opinion, others may differ.

Take Care

Bob

[9.3X62AL]

At risk of adding to the already-overloaded urban legends concerning Glocks and kB's, my thoughts have always centered on the BRASS in the 40 S&W/early variant Glocks. Add together reloaded ammo--unsupported chamber case head area--and a weakened/work-hardened case area chambering in alignment with that unsupported chamber area......then a reloader tries to extend a caliber past its safety zone.......kB!! A double- or triple-charge of pistol powder will disassemble most handguns of my acquaintance.

I think the "lead bullet" part of the legend is a red herring, myself--ALL 40 S&W caliber/lead bullet loads are ALSO reloads, after all. I ran this scenario past a Glock rep a few years ago, and he had the kind of look on his face that someone leaving Los Alamos with blueprints under his arm might develop when challenged by security folks. "You, uh, have a very good concept there", or words much like that. He repeated the same Glock-esque mantra that all gunmakers (with few exceptions) chant--"ONLY USE HIGH-QUALITY FACTORY LOADED AMMUNITION." This same caveat is printed in the manual, with not so much as one word about castings or swaged lead in the text. I suspect that to do so would equate to a faux pas on the order of a Bar Mitzvah in Tehran. Anyway, the recent Glock 40's have a more-supported chamber throat area than the early ones did. Whatever substance or meaning we can derive from that factoid--is what it is.

I still haven't slugged the bore or throat of the barrel, a thing I threatened to do but haven't yet accomplished. Maybe today or tomorrow for that. I'm in the middle of some medical crapola right now that makes me feel about half-decomposed, so bear with me for a short time. I intend to run some castings through the stock barrel at some point in time, mostly to satisfy my own curiosity about the subject with the added benefit of yanking the chain of the staff liability attorneys at yet another gunmaking company. That sort of thing--I live for.

[KYCaster]

The latest theory I've heard (and it makes a lot of sense to me) is that, because of tolerance stacking, some Glocks can fire out of battery. Some by as much a tenth of an inch. This, added to the generous throating, leaves too much case unsupported.

I can easily immagine how poorly assembled lead loads can leave lube and/or lead in the chamber, leading to an out of battery condition.

Since the KBs aren't limited to lead reloads, they do occur with factory jacketed, this could explain it.

Not being a Glock owner, I can't personally verify this, but it has been confirmed by a couple of Glock certified armorers.

FWIW
Jerry

[ron brooks]

Just don't leave a glock say on a radiator up north inn the winter or on a dashboard during the summer in the south or southwest. Heat does really bad things to plastic. :)

Ron

[Tonto]

have a G17 and G21 and shoot nothing but my own cast thru them both, thousands of rounds of the years, no problems...keep them clean and reload with care...I suspect kB is a perfect storm of sorts, several things go wrong at once, I'll also bet other models kB as well when their particular bad series of events occur at the wrong time...did have a close call with the 21 and it turned out I misread the load and was .2 over max....empty was shucked about 20 feet high and a loud report....brass showed swell where barrel relief cut for extractor was located....end of session, pulled them and now triple check gun was just fine

[robertbank]

You might want to check with the Portland City Police. After a couple of these kabooms they switched from the .45 acp to I believe the 9MM gun. The story I read had Glock replacing the pistols for free. Here are three sites with some info on them. The video is worth watching!

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-71589.html

http://www.911jobforums.com/archive/index.php/t-29312.html

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html

Here is a video of one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vceh44UK-8I

Personally I think they are great pistols. The only one I have ever shot was a short barrelled gun that a friend of mine has and the grip was not for me. I am going to look at a Glock 40 or 9MM though to play the games with.

Take Care

Bob

[redneckdan]

just don't go off half glocked...badabing, har har...I'll be here all night.:mrgreen:

[9.3X62AL]

Into The Dark Side We Go.

To date, I have not read or heard of someone slugging a Glock bore to see what's in there dimensions-wise. Not exactly "Lewis and Clark" country, but I gave it a whirl--both figuratively and literally.

I drove 2 slugs--one from chamber to muzzle and out that route, another just into the throat and engaging what passes for rifling in that strange-looking bore. To me, it looks likes land and groove......well, kind of.

Results on both slugs--groove diameter of .453", land diameter about .448". Land profile is not sharp at edges, and not flat across its top surface. I measured the daylights out of these slugs, all four exposures at least twice on both slugs--then "spun" the slugs slowly in the caliper jaws--no tie-ups showing high spots. I think .453" is the bore's max diameter across the grooves, which show the same radial aspect that conventional grooves show on slugs driven through their bores.

Several of us were in the chat section last night, and together we couldn't arrive at a good reason why lead boolits don't or shouldn't work in the Glock barrels. If my barrel is any indicator, groove diameters may run oversized, which would explain why bore leading occurs or boolits aren't firmly gripped.

[robertbank]

Hi

Found this info that might answer your question. Seems to indicate it is not the rifling that is the problem but rather the Glock's ability to fire out of battery. Who knows for sure. I guess it comes down to, "you pay your money, you take your chances." The fact that one guy has shot thousands of rounds of lead through his Glock does not mean the next one will not result in a failure nor does it do you much good if the first round you fire goes boom. Isn't living on the edge fun?

http://www.answers.com/topic/polygonal-rifling

This one adds a but more info:

http://glockmeister.com/faq.shtml

Take Care and be Careful

Bob

[9.3X62AL]

I'll be going slowly on this little test drive--5 rounds at a time, then a bore check to see what's building up--if anything. Worst case scenario--Bar-Sto is only an hour away, and the Storm Lake site showed 45 ACP barrels at $79.00 each.

[Ken O]

I bought my Glock 21 fourteen years ago, it came with two 13 round non-drop free magazines. I shot ISPC with it and the bullets were key-holeing, and I was having problems with going into battery. I was advised that the Glock barrel wasn't designed for cast. It shot jacketed real fine. There wasn't any aftermarket barrels at the time that I knew of. So I just shot my 1911 in competition. The 21 fits my hand better then the 1911, I have rather large hands.
I shoot it occasionally with jacketed and like it a lot. So... what would be a good barrel to replace the factory to run lead down?

[robertbank]

I suspect your lead bullets were keyholing because they were sized to small. I sized a batch of 9MM .355. They would key hole in seven yards out of my STI and CZ. Now size all my lead bullets for my nines .357. Accuracy improved and no more keyholing.

Take Care

Bob

[PatMarlin]

Now you need one of these Al...

http://www.ccfraceframes.com/

[9.3X62AL]

Oh, RIGHT, Pat--about like a trout needs a mountain bike!

The stock frame is incredibly light. It weighs next to nothing.

I still have yet to scare up any factory rounds to run through this critter. Too busy hunting, the kind of distraction that's easily lived with. I busted a covey of mountain quail this morning, and actually got 3 birds before they beat feet for impenetrable buckbrush on impossible slopes. Yesterday, I herded some pheasants near Calipatria.......I sure miss my Shorthair.

[JRR]

There is another factor to consider when studying KB's in Glocks. The incidents have predominantly occured with the 40 and 45 cal. models. The 40 is basically the same o.d. as the 9 mm but with a larger chamber and bore. The 45 is like the 10 mm but with larger openings. When the chamber entrance is enlarged without a corresponding increase in outside dimensions, it encroaches into the feed ramp area and produces some extra unsupported case. The feed ramp of the 40 and 45 versions are also a bit wider, making this worse.

Just one more theory for the pile.

I shot first generation mod. 22 and 23 for quite a few years. I had a Wilson match barrel in the 22 and a Barstow in the 23. The only issues were related to the much tighter chamber dimensions. Keeping the chambers very clean of bullet lube and powder dirt, etc. The feed ramps were also a bit steeper to not encroach into the chamber as much. Nose shape and seating depth became more finicky.

I eventually hocked the Glocks for the CZ pistols. Fits my medium sized hands much better.

[Ron]

Dep. Al,

Managed to get to the range on Monday with the GLOCK 34. Attached photo gives an idea of how accurate the Storm Lake barrel is., not to be confused with my poor effort at keeping all of the shots together. 62 year old eyes and not the best indoor lighting does not help.

Distance was 10 metres. Load 4.3 grns ADI AP70N. Proj 147 Grn TC sized to .356". 10 shots fired freestyle.

[9.3X62AL]

Ron--

Nothing wrong with that barrel, for sure!

Still busy hunting, but that may be winding up now. 3 full days spent chasing birds all over the Imperial Valley (without much success) pretty much has diminished The Drive To Blast Pheasants that seemed so important during deer season.

2 weeks and counting--I'm not sure a new firearm has EVER gone unfired this long after acquisition at my house.

[Bubba w/a 45/70]

FWIW, I owned a 36 and shot more lead through it than jackets. Never had any problems at all. I never cast any of the bullets, they were all bought from a "professional" source ;), they were mostly 185gr SWC. That darned pistol fed anything and everything through it. I even tried some 230 lead roundnoses, 230 FMJs, 185gr JHP's, and even mixing things up in the magazine. 0 malfunctions when NOT trying HARD to make it malfunction. And then it was only through serious limp wristing it did I get the gun to not fully eject.

As far as the leading problem in Glocks, everything that I could pick up over on GT pertained to the "lesser" calibers. For whatever reason, Glock made a slightly different type of rifling in the 45's I guess. That is why I didn't really fear putting lead through mine. And for your info, no leading problems, and that little pistol even withstood a double/overcharge from one of my reloads with no noticable symptoms showing up later on. It just recoiled much "harder" than the previous round, and then kept on fully functioning perfectly after a good inspection.

[Bubba w/a 45/70]

Forgot to say that in a fit of stupidity, I traded that 36 off for an XD45. Not the brightest move that I've made.....

[9.3X62AL]

The Glock 45 ACP barrels are "octagonal", while the 40/10mm/9mm barrels are hexagonal. Dunno about the 45 GAP barrels.