Signs

[JIMinPHX]

I do like the Arizona attitude towards guns.

[1Shirt]

Gotta like that sign!!!!!!
1Shirt!

[Dannix]

I hope it's a fever that catches on in other states. The only thing I see in southeastern states is lots of complaining, little action. I guess it's because they keep voting in career politicians rather than patriots.

[geargnasher]

It's about time we see some Pro-Responsible-Gun-Ownership propaganda in the mainstream media, I don't ever recall having seen anything like that before, how about some 30-second TV spots sponsored by the NRA and featuring interview/testimonial blurbs from some of the folks on the "Armed Citizen" page of AR? If it was done right, it might really open some minds who have never, ever been exposed to the positive and responsible side of gun ownership/marksmanship/training. So many people cower in apartments in large cities believing all gun users are thugs out to get them, because that's the only exposure they ever get to guns through tv news and shows. Our mass media almost never shows a good story of "Southside woman says her gun saved her from would-be rapist, story at ten."

Gear

[starmac]

Bad timing on this one, It reminds me of the armidillo and the space shuttle.

[Down South]

Good sign Jim, wish every state had em.

[JIMinPHX]

Bad timing on this one, It reminds me of the armidillo and the space shuttle.

Bad timing - agreed.

Armadillo & the space shuttle????? I missed that one.

[starmac]

It was a budweiser commercial where an armidillo basically mounted the space shuttle. It came out right before the shuttle exploded on takeoff, which was the first one with a civilian passenger. (school teacher) The timing was terrible and bud pulled it real quick.

[JIMinPHX]

Actually, maybe it's not bad timing. If just 1 more honest law-abiding person had taken that sign to heart, gotten trained & been carrying a gun that day, then a whole lot fewer people might have been shot.

[Tom W.]

And then the sheriff said the HE didn't thing all people should be able to possess firearms., nor should college students be allowed to carry on campus... He must not remember the news...

[Dannix]

Wow, I hope you guys vote in a new sheriff next time around. A sheriff that doesn't respect the constitution -- a fox guarding the hen house.

I hope the alleged's rights to a quick, fair, public trial by jury are not infringed, the guilty party looses his life in response to the lives he's taken, and this doesn't instead become a song and dance show for news media.

[starmac]

We are talking about the same sherrif that said he WOULD NOT enforce arizonas law on illegal aliens, This is just south of sherrif Joe's county where he is constantly under attack by the feds for not playing nice with crooks, and has been running stings on illegal aliens.
There is a lot of retirees moved to that area so must be a high percentage of leftist to have elected a sherrif with his leftist beliefs.

[Dannix]

Well if he doesn't respect the constitution, at least he respects a key principle this nation is founded on. I think if the Statue of Liberty was located in AZ, someone would have ripped the plaque off by now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus. Maybe they've just mastered ignoring what they want to ignore instead, Washington style.

As our nation becomes more and more socialistic, it makes sense immigrants are getting a cold shoulder. I would like to remind everyone here that essentially we all here are of immigrant blood. Although my blood and family name is of an european background and as such I can't personally relate to hispanic culture, the hostility shown to hispanic immigrants has endured me to them. They are no different than my family just a few generations ago.

I think the way AZ has decided to flush constitutional rights down the drain for, practically, anyone with a hispanic accent is outrageous. Thankfully with AZ's present gun stance, every hispanic in AZ can be and should be armed to the teeth. Maybe that will discourage the tyranny that is now allowed under AZ state law.

The one thing AZ could do is completely and utterly enforce their boarder, without or without federal assistance. No funds? Form a voluntarily army. Form a CAP dedicated entirely to patroling the boarder. Attach a light machine gun pod. Yup, train and use "the common rabble." Think Ethan Allen and The Green Mountain Boys, or Francis Marion. The AZ state government can't control federal immigration laws, but they can stop illegal traffic across their boarder, where a whole lot more than just people looking for opportunity comes across. We need to drop socialism, welcome immigration, and drop minimum wage laws. If we did that, maybe we won't end up giving up our superpower status to China in 20 years.

[/hijack] [/rant] I guess that immigrant comment touched a bit of a nerve. Essentially we all are immigrants. Ironically, along with Native Americans, Mexicans in a sense have more of a claim to live in AZ than those of us with roots from across the pond.

[Bad Water Bill]

I do not know what schools you went to but I know for a fact there is a LEGAL way to enter the country I live in. Since I married a young lady from Germany I know you fill out your papers find someone to SPONSOR you and wait your turn. It took 3 years (there were only 4 people in the U S A that could match her credentials in coal research) and checks that she was not any kind of criminal. There is not a ONE of these persons that respect the laws of the country that I and many others here came forward and signed a check to defend.

They are taking the money that I spent FIFTY FIVE years doing honest work to have some money when I was to old to work any longer. Now these PROSTITUTES are collecting $1,500.00 per EACH and every B&*#&+^ child she can have. Yes there are many of them that are doing honest work here BUT THEY ARE CRIMINALS BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE LAWS OF MY COUNTRY.

Yes we can get into discussions about the native Americans but remember if it were not for us they would still be hunting with a bow and arrows and using dogs as their beasts of burden with a life expectancy of about 30 years.

Just check history books and if you are willing to learn something you will find the native Americans were always at war with each other. You were a good person if you could endure all the torture you were subjected to before you DIED without showing any signs of pain.

I could go on for a long time but I will close with this statement. If Az needs any help defending and protecting my borders this 75 year old vet will be down there to help in 3 days as it takes that long to load my guns and ammo and get there.

[starmac]

There is a whole world of difference between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant.
If you check arizonas law it pretty much mirrors federal law, IT just makes it a law to enforce it, which if it wasn't for left leaning folks like the sherrif there and the federal govt not doing there jobs would never have been needed. Everytime I pass through a border patrol check, I am asked if I am a U.S. citizen so the way I see it it only is a hindrance to wetbacks and those that hire them, or those working in social programs that are here to help them.

[JIMinPHX]

I think the way AZ has decided to flush constitutional rights down the drain for, practically, anyone with a hispanic accent is outrageous.

If you don't mind, please explain that one to me. I must have missed something.

[Duckiller]

Jim, I think Dannix has been reading newspapers instead of law books. Doesn't take an awful lot of paper work to show you are legal, try driver license. Which reminds me at the request of a Democratic Congress and President wife and I must get passports so we can visit Canada this summer. May be picking on Barack, George's Patriot act may require the passport.

[starmac]

The passport requirement did in fact come out under Bush.

[MtGun44]

Ariz state required the signs be taken down.

Bill

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Ariz state required the signs be taken down.

Bill

I'm unaware of that Bill.

I think what you are referring to is the lighted sings at the 50 bus stops in Phoenix, talked about here . . .http://www.gunlaws.com/Page9Folder/PageNine-93.htm The billboard(s) are still up.

The billboard program started LONG before Giffords won the election by the skin of her teeth . . . I talk to so many people that have guns, but don't carry them!

[exblaster]

I guess that immigrant comment touched a bit of a nerve. Essentially we all are immigrants. Ironically, along with Native Americans, Mexicans in a sense have more of a claim to live in AZ than those of us with roots from across the pond.
Where do Hispanics come from? Spaine. If you think we are mean to Mexicans you should read up on what thy did to the Native indians in Mexico.

Exblaster

[starmac]

I don't think anybody has disputed mexican, hispanics, or legal immigrants right to live in arizona or anywhere else in the U.S.. It is the illegal alein or immigrant whether mexican, iranian or from any other country that is the problem. There are many other nationalitys that illegally come across the southern border, some with the sole intention of causing us harm.
This is still the greatest country in the world and people from all countrys try to come here. I think probably every country in the world started sometime with mostly immigrants and eventually had to close the doors. In my opinion we have enough population that we need to start curbing legal immigration and shut down illegal comepletly.

[BOOM BOOM]

HI,
GOOD SIGN.
WE NEED MORE OF THEM.:Fire::Fire:

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Learn2shoot.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/TeachChildren.jpg

And a slightly different kind . . .
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/notrespassing2Medium.jpg

[JIMinPHX]

Which reminds me at the request of a Democratic Congress and President wife and I must get passports so we can visit Canada this summer.

If you are just going to Canada or Mexico, then you can use the credit card sized version of a passport with an RFID chip inside it. It is easier to carry, faster to process when driving through a checkpoint & I think cheaper than a regular passport. If you are going to any other country, then you still need the traditional book style passport.

[82nd airborne]

It is unconstitutional for a law officer to demand my ID when I have not broken any laws.

[JIMinPHX]

It is unconstitutional for a law officer to demand my ID when I have not broken any laws.

That point would seem to be supported by a plain reading of the words in the constitution. It would appear that case law tells a different story. There are plenty of examples where police have been found to have acted properly by bringing someone in for fingerprinting to identify them when they were unable/unwilling to produce ID when asked. That goes for black, brown, red, white or any other color that is out there. I'm not saying that this is right or wrong. I'm not saying that this is/is not constitutional. I'm just saying that this is the way that I unerstand modern case law to be.

[starmac]

If you are involved in a vehicle accident, but not your fault, is it then unconstitutional for the law to ask for ID. The way I understood the az law was that it required the law enforcement to check and enforce immigrant status when there was some sort of interaction with law inforcement, not just pull people over to check there status.
I have seen many times they are involved in an accident even a dui and held a few days, then when it was apparent that no one was going to pay a fine or make bail, they turn them lose instead of turning them over to immigration. They I understand it arizona's law just forced the law to basically help the feds do their job. There are law officers Dupnic for example that refuses to turn in ILLEGAL ALIENS. I remember when Austin Tx decided they were going to be a sanctuary for wetbacks. The head of immigration announced on the news that if they wanted them that bad they would just bus those caught in the rest of texas to them, as it would be cheaper than taking them back to the border. Austin city fathers changed their tune immediately, maybe they should try this on tuscon and see how long deputy dupnick holds out.

[JIMinPHX]

I'm unaware of that Bill.

I think what you are referring to is the lighted sings at the 50 bus stops in Phoenix, talked about here . . . http://pagenine.typepad.com/page_nine/2010/10/index.h The billboard(s) are still up.


That link doesn't work for me. I'm not sure which signs you are talking about.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Sorry Jim,

I believe it should work now:

http://www.gunlaws.com/Page9Folder/PageNine-93.htm

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/TMA-BusStopNite315.jpg

Fifty of these illuminated street signs were posted under contract --
and torn down by the city of Phoenix!

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

It is unconstitutional for a law officer to demand my ID when I have not broken any laws.

Tell that to immigration when you return to the USA from another country, just getting off an airplane from another country, they funnel you through their maze . . .

[Land Owner]

In November 2010 for a week or two, there was a huge "Don't Reneg in 2012" BILLBOARD in Brevard County, north of State Road 50, along the southbound side of Interstate 95, which is now gone. Not much help to AZ, but when discussing illegal immigration, Florida ranks right up there with the constant influx of Cubans and sometimes Chinese (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/13/us/nasa-to-tighten-security-and-offer-comfort-to-attack-survivors.html?pagewanted=2).

[waksupi]

In November 2010 for a week or two, there was a huge "Don't Reneg in 2012" BILLBOARD in Brevard County, north of State Road 50, along the southbound side of Interstate 95, which is now gone. Not much help to AZ, but when discussing illegal immigration, Florida ranks right up there with the constant influx of Cubans and sometimes Chinese (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/13/us/nasa-to-tighten-security-and-offer-comfort-to-attack-survivors.html?pagewanted=2).


I've got that bumper sticker on my vehicle. I've got lots of waves, honks, inquiries where to get one, and one of the deputies even pulled me over one day wanting one. In this area, I have only got a few nasty looks from the liberals.

[Dannix]

Well hopefully "gov. efficiency" will be involved any censorship. Are the TrainMEAZ guys going to take the to court?


Sorry Jim,

I believe it should work now:

http://www.gunlaws.com/Page9Folder/PageNine-93.htm

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/TMA-BusStopNite315.jpg

Fifty of these illuminated street signs were posted under contract --
and torn down by the city of Phoenix!

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Yep, the link says in part:

3. Sue the bastages.

The third option is only on the table because the Goldwater Institute believes this is a well-positioned case to finally challenge the Phoenix speech-restriction codes. The city's ongoing policies of speech suppression, bureaucratic control of speech, inconsistent and arbitrary enforcement, and lack of clear guidelines have attracted the attention of two other leading public-policy law firms, The Institute for Justice, and Judicial Watch. A number of private-practice attorneys have also expressed desire to join the fray . . .

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

Here is another new sign:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/ShawnTVT/Guns/Picture1-1.png