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redneckdan
10-23-2006, 01:55 PM
so I was in the pawn shop last week and saw a handi-rifle in .22 hornet, which got me thinkin about the pile of .22 hornet brass I have no gun for sittin next to .30 herrett dies I watn to get a gun for and remebered reading about the .22 k-hornet. Today I came up with the idea of loading 80-90gr bullets in a k-hornet chambered in a gun with a 1 in 8 twist. The idea being to use small charges of fast pistol powder, just like a .300 whisper. I imagine this would offer some serious wampum out to about 150 yds with little noise. whadda think?

BABore
10-23-2006, 03:00 PM
Boy, seeing your from Houghton and I was raised nort of Escanaba, I don't have a clue what you'd use a quite 22 for. :rolleyes:

I figure if your going to go slow, and quite like, you might just as well go heavy. Like a 200+ gr 30 cal. Of course a "06 with a 311041 Hp over 12-13 grs of RD is pretty quite too.

redneckdan
10-23-2006, 03:50 PM
i was thinkin just the heck of it.....its an engineer thing, you wouldn't understand. I already got a vz24 that shoots 250gr cast pretty well. I load with about 8 grs of red dot

45 2.1
10-23-2006, 03:56 PM
i was thinkin just the heck of it.....its an engineer thing, you wouldn't understand. I already got a vz24 that shoots 250gr cast pretty well. I load with about 8 grs of red dot

I think you would be very suprised to find out how many people on this board are in the engineering field.

dk17hmr
10-23-2006, 04:57 PM
Im sorta going into Engineering, Achritecture and Construction Technology. I think about doing things like this to my Handi rifle all the time.

I was thinking the same thing BABore was thinkin about a quite 22...lol....it would work pretty good for that too.

JSH
10-23-2006, 06:28 PM
Dunno how far into this you want to actually go. I would point you towards either the 357 Max. in a 223 die or 222. Or take the 357 mag and run it into a 221 fireball die. This would involve a rechamber of course. I think the above two cases would get you to where you want to go some what better than the hornet case.
There is a place I used to look at some years back called the woodchucks den I think. The had a bunch of the small caliber wildcats there.
Myself, on a 220 whisper I would go to an AI type of chambering.
Jeff

redneckdan
10-23-2006, 08:20 PM
hmmm, food for thought.

gzig5
10-24-2006, 02:12 PM
more food for thought...
For the 90gr you are definitely going to need a 6.5"-7" twist barrel. You may be able to get by with an 8" twist with the 80's but I wouldn't count on it. A .223 in a 20" service rilfle barrel pushes these bullets about 2600-2700 fps at max pressure. At your lower velocities (1500fps?) I would expect that you would need a faster twist than what the .223 is using.

Anyone know what twist the Whisper uses with the 200-240gr bullets?

felix
10-24-2006, 02:30 PM
Velocity has a marginal twist requirement. In other words, do not select a twist based upon velocity. Use length, diameter, and meplat for ease of determination. ... felix

Four Fingers of Death
10-24-2006, 08:30 PM
Dan, I lost the thread on the Marlin board, can't find it at all, how did your bowhunt go? Mick.

shooter575
10-24-2006, 09:05 PM
Mick,he has a thread in the hunting section.

redneckdan
10-24-2006, 11:27 PM
I actually got to draw down on a 4 point friday but the dominate doe winded me and sounded the alarm before I could make good on my intentions. I plan on going out again this friday.

Pepe Ray
10-25-2006, 12:20 AM
If you want a true "Whisperer" you must eliminate the sonic crack.
That means keeping the vel below 1050-1100 ( depending on elevation.)
Good luck. Pepe Ray

Willbird
10-25-2006, 12:30 PM
Honestly I think 22 hornet would be fine for that velocity with any bullet weight within reason, the pressure would be very low.

I would have a reamer made to FIT the kind of 22 hornet brass you want to use, not a saami chamber, the ctg. is so old that the chamber ends up max and the brass is min and thus the chamber is a LOT sloppier than it needs to be.

K hornet might not be a bad idea, but again not really needed for what your doing

Bill

JSH
10-25-2006, 05:31 PM
I played with a 30x221 TC barrels a few years back. I tried to keep it subsonic without a great deal of success in the accuracy department. I suspect TC's use of a slow twist barrel didn't help much. The 150's shot fair, but the 180's - 200's shot fairly well, but much better than the 150's. i had my first 30-20 barrel then and it would do what the 30x221 would with a factory case, with the plus of a rim.
Jeff

Four Fingers of Death
10-25-2006, 07:42 PM
Hnag in there Dan, You'll send a broadhead to a worthy deer sooner or later.

If you want a whisper level load, wouldn't a standard Hornet case be plenty big enough?