NOE Lee 430-310-RF Clone Group Buy

[Landric]

THIS BUY IS CLOSED, ORDER IS IN WITH NOE.

This mould will be offered by NOE as a clone of the Lee 430-310-RF. However, it will be available as either a gas check or plain base, with the usual 1-5 cavity, HP, and RG2 and 4 options, and dropping at about .434 from the mould. Below are the drawings of the GC, PB and HP designs.

I will be the honcho of this buy and will accept mailed payments and payments via PayPal (+$4.50 per mould). Please post here what you want and I will update the list regularly. The buy will stay open until Swede Nelson tells me to make the last call before it goes to production.

We are now on the production schedule, currently listed for June 2011. I will start accepting payments now, but payment will not be required until we get closer to production. Assuming we stay on the schedule for June I will send out a PM for payment to those who haven't paid on or about June 1st. PM me for payment information when you want to pay before that.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/430-310-RF-1-1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/Lee430-310-RF2.jpg


Buyers list:

PM has been sent for payment to those who have not already paid. Thanks!

*1) Landric 3 Cavity 1GC 2PB
*2) Landric RG2 1GC 1PB
*3) Happy 7 RG4 4PB -DRILL FOR PROBE
*4) Happy 7 5 Cavity 5PB -DRILL FOR PROBE
*5) GLL 1 Cavity 1GC-HP & 3 extra blank pins -DRILL FOR PROBE
*6) GLL 4 Cavity 2GC 2PB -DRILL FOR PROBE
*7) jj850 RG4 4GC
*8) GL49 RG4 4GC
*9) Wired54 5 Cavity 5PB
*10) bburnz RG4 4GC
*11) DaveD RG2 2GC
*12) dominicfortune00 4 Cavity 4PB
*13) Heavy lead 5 Cavity 5GC
*14) jschmuck 4 Cavity 4PB
*15) johnch RG2 2GC
*16) AnthonyB RG2 2GC w/ Extra Pin Set
*17) jkingrph 2 Cavity 1GC 1PB
*18) nicholst55 2GC 2PB
*19) happietoshoot 5 Cavity 5PB
*20) Drb RG4 4GC



Moulds will be machined from 2024 Aluminum
Used for high strength structural and aircraft applications.
Tensile strength range 30,000 to 63,000 psi
Sprue plate (blued), alignment pins, and hardware will be
carbon steel.

The cost will be as follows:

Aluminum Moulds-

Standard Molds
Single cavity mould $68.00 Ea.
Double cavity mould $72.00 Ea.
Three cavity mould $79.00 Ea.
Four cavity mould $85.00 Ea.
Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.
Hollow pointing one cavity and furnishing a double ended pin would be $35.00 extra.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles, an extra blank pin would be $1.50

RG Molds
Two cavity RG2 HP mould $96.00 Ea.
Includes one set of hollow point pins
and one set of flat nose pins.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG2 an extra blank pin set of two (2) would be $4.

Four cavity RG4 HP mould $126.00 Ea.
Includes one set of hollow point pins
and one set of flat nose pins.
If you want to fashion different HP profiles for the RG4 an extra blank pin set of four (4) would be $8.

Shipping and handling will be $10 per order (1 or 2 moulds) and shipped priority mail. If you live outside the United States contact me, and I will work with you, shipping should be $20 for 1 or 2 moulds.

[happy7]

Actually I want two molds. I still want the 5 cavity PB as well as the RG4. Thanks.

[DaveD]

I 'spose I may as well get an RG2........... :)

[bburnz]

I'd like one in RG4, gas check, please.

[BackWoods Billy]

What's the $4.50 for?

[Landric]

I 'spose I may as well get an RG2........... :)

PB, GC, or some combination?


What's the $4.50 for?

The percentage that PayPal charges, it doesn't apply to mailed payments.

[happy7]

Alright, we are almost there! I bet by time it is made there will be 40 molds ordered.

[BackWoods Billy]

Thanks Landric.Will have to wait on this one.

[no34570]

Landric
I'll take a RG2 ,mould please,all GC's
Also can you change my username on the buyers list please,#11,it should be no34570

Can you PM me or post it here the total cost plus postage to Australia?
Thanks mate :)

[Landric]

The mould is $96, shipping to Australia should be $14 for one mould, and an extra $4.50 for PayPal (assuming that is what you want to use, generally best for sales out of the country), total $114.50.

Also, got your name corrected.

[bearcove]

one each RG2 GC

[no34570]

The mould is $96, shipping to Australia should be $14 for one mould, and an extra $4.50 for PayPal (assuming that is what you want to use, generally best for sales out of the country), total $114.50.

Also, got your name corrected.

Good on ya mate,when is payment required?

[Landric]

Payment won't be required until a couple of weeks before production (likely several months or more away), but once we have 15 moulds committed and are in the production queue payment will be accepted at any time.

[500bfrman]

landric

I would like 2 extra pins for my hp cavity
and two extra sets for my rg4 thanks

[DaveD]

PB, GC, or some combination?



The percentage that PayPal charges, it doesn't apply to mailed payments.


All Gas Checked, sorry 'bout that.

[Landric]

Only one more mould to go before we get in the production line. Anyone?

[Landric]

Bump...

[Landric]

OK, we are currently scheduled for production in July of 2011. That date may get advanced because of NOEs new machines. Assuming we stay on a July production schedule this buy will stay open till about June 1st. Please post your wants here and PM for payment info if you want to pay before the buy closes.

[Landric]

Christmas bump, hope you all had a merry one!

[Heavy lead]

Well I'd like in on this, I much like the Lee boolit and always wanted one in a plain base so let's get on board with a 5 cavity plain base model.

[Landric]

Can we get say a 2 cavity mold with one being GC and the other PB?

If so put me down for 1 :)

You can indeed, got you down.

[Johnch]

I will take a RG2 with GC's

John

[Landric]

2011 Bump...

[AnthonyB]

Please sign me up for a two cavity GC with one cavity HP'd and an extra HP pin.
anthonybennett at comcast dot net
Tony

[jkingrph]

Put me in for a two cavity, one cavity PB the other GC

[GLL]

Landric:

Please change my (7) 2-cavity 2PB to a 4-cavity 2PB+2GC !

Jerry

[Landric]

Weekend Bump...

[bronte454]

any idea what the weight of the H.P. bullet will be approx. thanx may have to do this one as well

[Landric]

My guess is around 290 to 295 grains, perhaps Swede could give us a better answer.

[Landric]

This buy has been bumped up to June of this year. The more the merrier!

[waco]

are those cool looking 5 sided pins an option with this mold???
the ones ive seen in so many pics here and there?

[Shakey Jakey]

Put me in for one. I'll decide on the particulars later.

[Landric]

Shakey Jakey, I got you down. Waco, I'll check with Swede on that.

[Landric]

Waco,

Al says that those pins are not an option for this mould, sorry.

[Landric]

First post is now updated with additional information and pricing on NOE BRASS moulds!

[Landric]

I'm not really sure that I can. Some folks prefer brass moulds, some iron/steel, some aluminum. As I understand it brass moulds can be easier to use due to less head fluctuation and being made of a more durable metal. I've never cast with a brass mould, just aluminum and iron/steel. I actually have an easier time with steel/iron moulds, or at least I did for quite a while. Now that I am getting the feel for aluminum I like them just as well. I'm actually going to give some of the brass moulds a try on this buy, who knows, I might like them better.

[bearcove]

Its simple Brass is COOL![smilie=p::( But heavy. Harder than Al softer than Iron.

A 5 cav brass would be a hand full.

A 2cav would feel like a Lyman 2 cav.

That's what I think but,

I Don't Know Nothin!:redneck:

[bearcove]

OH, I need to think about my order now. ;-)

[indymadcaster]

I have a question will this IF seated to the smallest OAL will it fit and cycle in a ruger 77/44 bolt gun?
If it will I will want one If it will not then I dont need one any ideas?

[Landric]

I imagine we can find someone with some boolits that can send you a sample to try. I don't have a Lee mould for this boolit anymore, and all the ones I cast before I sold it I've already shot.

[indymadcaster]

it is dimensionally the same as the lee ????

[Landric]

Yes, its a clone of the Lee mould with the exception that is also available as a plain base.

[saz]

Yes, its a clone of the Lee mould with the exception that is also available as a plain base.

And it will throw a .434" boolit and not the .428" like the lee I currently have now, correct? I have had to open mine up with aluminum tape. It is becoming a huge PITA! Now, gas check or not- HMMMMMMMM........

[GLL]

Landric:

Please change (#5) to Brass 1-cavity-GC-HP.

Jerry

[Landric]

Yes, NOE is going to have this mould dropping at .434.

GLL, made the change for you.

[indymadcaster]

ok it feeds !! I am in for a standard 4 cav 2 plainbase 2 gascheck

I am in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bearcove]

This needs a bump it fell of the first page!

Change my mold to brass, It looks cool.

[Johnch]

17) johnch RG2 2GC

Could you please change this to Brass please

Thank you

John

[30hrrtt]

Any idea how fast a plain base 310 can be shot out of a rifle if sized right and the stars line up.

I would think 1400 - 1500 max would be doable.

[bearcove]

1800 -2200 depending on bore condition, and lube, and fit, and your horoscope, burn rate of powder, and ...

[bearcove]

Chambered in?, barrel length, and...

[bearcove]

If you PP 430 Mongo you could go 3200-3300...

[bearcove]

Does that answer your question?

[bearcove]

Sorry, just having fun. Too many variables. Look at what you can do with a 45-70 with PB. As dia increases the need for a gas check decreases.

[saz]

I really want one of these molds as I am tired of my Lee 310 giving me problems, but the boolit shsots great. I would love to get rid of the extra steps and expense of GC's but I would love the option of using these in a 444 down the road. Decisions, decisions.....

[Landric]

The solution is to mix cavities in the same mould, giving you options. For instance, you could order a 4 cavity 2PB 2GC mould and be good to go either way.

[nicholst55]

I'm in for a 4-cavity aluminum mold; 2 GC, 2 PB.

Do I need to register at the Group Buy site?

[Landric]

Nope, I've got you down.

[Latigo]

Still ok to order the Lee 430-310 RF double cavity?

Latigo

[Landric]

Do you want the mould from Lee or do you want in on the group buy?

Its no problem to get in on the group buy, let me know and I will put you on the list.

[Latigo]

Whichever is quicker. I have a Vett on the way in a week or so.
Thanks
Latigo

[Latigo]

Is it going to help you if I stick with the group buy?

[Landric]

The group buy isn't going to run till the summer, so Lee would be much faster. However, the reason for the group buy is the much better quality of NOE moulds plus the various options that NOE offers that Lee does not (plain base version, HP'd cavities, mixing of GC and PB cavities in one mould, different number of cavities, etc.). If you need a mould now, it might make sense to order the Lee and still be in on the GB so you get a much better mould when it runs.

Yes, the more the better on the group buy.

[Latigo]

Ok. I'm in on the group buy and I'll order one from Lee just for now.
Thanks

[Landric]

Great, just let me know the specifics on the mould you want (# of cavities, material, PB GC or some combination), and I'll get you on the list.

[Latigo]

Two cavity RG2 HP mould Should do it Landric .
Thanks!

[Landric]

OK, RG2, got it. Now, aluminum or brass, and 2GC, 2PB, or 1GC 1PB?

Thanks!

[Latigo]

Sheesh! You'd think I'd have read it all first. :roll:
Aluminum 2 cavity GC
Thanks.......... again!

Latigo

[JeffHolt]

Please put me in for a RG-4 GC.
Thanks- Jeff

[jj850]

put me down for a RG4 GC please.

[Johnch]

17) johnch RG2 2GC BRASS

If I under stand it
I will have to change this back to a Al mold ?

If so
It will work for me

John

[bearcove]

Can you cancel my order for now?

Thanks Rod

[19112TAP]

I would like to place an order for RG2, 1PB & 1GC in BRASS.

Thanks
Tom

[Shakey Jakey]

UPDATE: Shakey Jakey wants a 4 cavity 2 GC + 2 PB Thanks

[Landric]

Sorry for my absense for the last few weeks folks, been exceptionally busy at work and home.

Brass is going to be unavailable afterall except for all brass runs due to some unforseen problems. Bearcove, got you canceled. 19112TAP, I'll put you down if you still want a mould in aluminum, just let me know.

[no34570]

Umm,Excuse my ignorance,but what is wrong with the brass moulds?

[Landric]

Its not the moulds, but the tool used to cut the moulds. From what I understand Al discovered that the tool used for aluminum moulds wasn't strong enough to cut the brass ones reliably, and making two tools isn't cost effective. So, NOE is only offering brass moulds on all brass buys unless and until the problem is sorted out.

[no34570]

Gotcha mate,thanks ;)

[19112TAP]

Yes go ahead and put me down for a RG2, 1PB & 1GC Alum.

Thanks
Tom

[dominicfortune00]

Put me down for a 4 cavity PB, please.

[19112TAP]

Re edeted

[L1A1Rocker]

I just picked up a 96/44 yesterday and have been pointed over to this thread regarding a good boolit for it. Could someone please explain the RG 2 and RG 4 thing?

I understand from the abbreviations sticky that it is a hollow point system on the bottom of the mold but that is about all it says. Will this interfer with the guide rod on my RCBS bottom pour?

[Landric]

I just picked up a 96/44 yesterday and have been pointed over to this thread regarding a good boolit for it. Could someone please explain the RG 2 and RG 4 thing?

I understand from the abbreviations sticky that it is a hollow point system on the bottom of the mold but that is about all it says. Will this interfer with the guide rod on my RCBS bottom pour?

It shouldn't, externally the RG moulds are just about the same as regular moulds, just a little bit of metal on the bottom that holds the pins. In practice I don't find them any different to use, though I use Lee pots, not RCBS.

[mebe007]

How much longer do I have to get in on this buy? So many options I'm confused. I'm guessing my 629 6.5" would be best with pb? But what are the rg2 and rg4?

[happy7]

Most assuredly, it will not work with the RCBS guide rod. You can of course twist the guide rod out of the way and hold it under the pot unsupported. I am not fond of this method. Better is to put a block of wood of the right thickness under the pot and then a piece of steel or aluminum sheet on top of that to slide the mold on.


I understand from the abbreviations sticky that it is a hollow point system on the bottom of the mold but that is about all it says. Will this interfer with the guide rod on my RCBS bottom pour?

[nicholst55]

How much longer do I have to get in on this buy? So many options I'm confused. I'm guessing my 629 6.5" would be best with pb? But what are the rg2 and rg4?

The RG2 and RG4 are two and four-cavity hollow point molds.

http://noe.castpics.net/Hollowpoint.html

[19112TAP]

PLease remove me from the list. Thanks!

[JesterGrin_1]

Please Remove myself as well from the list. Thank You.

[jschmuck]

Can you put me on the list for a PB 4 cavity mould please? Thanks

[Landric]

jschmuck I have you down. PM is going to be going out for payment sometime before the end of the weekend. Thanks!

[no34570]

Landric
Due to circumstances beyond my control (off work with a massive blood clot in leg,from my ankle to my groin)I don't know if I'll be getting paid sick leave,so I have to ask to be taken off this one,I am so sorry,maybe when I'm ok,I can get another one from a small group buy.
I MAY still want to be in the 460132 Postell.

I am sorry. :(

[mebe007]

Can you shoot a gc without a check? I have a 629 smith that I was thinking about loading this for, but plan to have a .44mag lever gun eventually

[Heavy lead]

I would like to change my order to a gas check model, all 5 cavities please.

[no34570]

Landric
I could have payment for this mould,but in 3-4 weeks????
Or I could pay for this one and then 3-4 weeks pay for the 460132 Postell one,will have to be on or the other first?
Can you pm me please?

TIA

[Landric]

no34570, PM sent

[no34570]

Landric
I sent a PM,just asking,what the total will be and that I'm paying by paypal and postage to Australia?
Hopefully I'll get paid:mad:

[Landric]

PM has gone out for payment to those on the list who have not yet paid. This buy will close on June 1st, 2011. If you want in and are not on the list, now is the time. Thanks!

[happy7]

Landric,

Can you make my two molds say "drill for probe" next to them? Thanks.

[JeffHolt]

Landric,
I'm gonna have to bail on this one- sorry.

[GL49]

Landric,
I will volunteer to take JeffHolt's place on the list. RG4, all GC. Personal check OK? I can have it in the mail ASAP. PM me the details on payment. Thanks, Larry

[Landric]

GL49, no problem, PM will be on the way to you soon.

Last Call! I have some PMs to reply to, so if you sent one recently, you should have a response soon

[happie2shoot]

If I can still get in I would like a 5 cavity with NO G/C.

[Landric]

This Buy is now Closed. Thanks to everyone. If you have not yet paid, now is the time

[Landric]

I have payment in hand from everyone who I have heard from in reference to payment for this buy. I will be sending the funds to NOE on Monday. Anyone on the buy list who has not paid who can get funds to me via PayPal before Monday will be included. After that, I suggest watching the vendor sponsor sales section for over-run moulds.

Thanks to everyone!

[GL49]

Landric
Thanks from all of us for your time and effort to make this work.

[Landric]

Payment is on the way to NOE as of today. Thanks to all who ordered!

[SwedeNelson]

Proofed the form tool today.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/430310GrRF003.jpg

Its on the mill and running.

Swede Nelson

[Landric]

Looks great Al! Looking forward to it!

[happy7]

Whoa, that lube groove is way to long, or are my eyes playing tricks on me? I am gonna guess that it is a little on the light side as well, missing that extra lead?

[SwedeNelson]

happy7

Good catch!
Just finished the QC on it and it is not to the drawing.
Back to the tool maker with this one.
Will get it per the drawing.

happy7 have to put you on the payroll, thanks again.

Swede Nelson

[happy7]

Ah, I wondered if that is what happened. Glad to hear you can correct it. Thanks for your commitment to quality!

[Landric]

I thought it looked different than the drawing too, but I figured it was either the photo, or I was mis-remembering how the original Lee boolit looked because I don't presently have any hanging around. Good catch Happy!

[happy7]

That one off test mold is detined to become a real collectors item once NOE becomes famous.

[SwedeNelson]

Picked up new form tool and proofed it today.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/430310GrRF005.jpg

This should look a little better.
Back in production.

Swede Nelson

[happy7]

Wow that was quick! And, that looks a lot better.

[SwedeNelson]

Picked up moulds today.
Cast great. Dimensions right on.
PB weight 310.8Gr. with my WW material.
GC a easy press fit.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/swedenelson/430310GrRF007.jpg

Will get them boxed up and in the mail ASAP.

Thanks to all that ordered.
Swede Nelson

[Landric]

Excellent, thanks very much Al!

[Landric]

The moulds arrived from NOE yesterday. I am working on getting them packaged up, and they will be going out in the next couple of days. Thanks to everyone who purchased!

[Landric]

Moulds went out in the mail today, USPS Priority. They should start arriving soon!

[AnthonyB]

Mine arrived today in excellent shape. Thanks for running the GB!
Tony

[Heavy lead]

Got mine today, thanks Landric. Best cast some up this weekend. Nice looking mould.

[Heavy lead]

Cast 100 plus up tonight, preheated the mould and the second pour were keepers, the boolits popped out as if there were a spring loaded ejector in each of the cavities. Casts to .434, the grease groove is at least twice as big as the Lee and both crimp grooves are also much deeper, gas checks are a perfect fit with ease (gator 44 checks) and crimp tightly through a .431 sizer just fine. Haven't loaded or shot yet, but so far, excellent mould.
Thanks Swede and Landric, good group buy.
Oh, as far as mould prep, just a couple of good doses of denatured alcohol worked just fine.

[Landric]

Let us know how they do. Hopefully I'll eventually get to cast some. I'm hoping to work up a good heavy boolit load for my Ruger Blackhawk .44 Special using the PB version of this GB boolit. Perhaps I can get a shot at a deer with one this season. Now, if I could just find the time to make it out to the shop and do some casting.

[Heavy lead]

I'll be shooting them next weekend, I am not running them super hard, close to Lyman number 2. I'll use two loads that have worked pretty good with the Lee with 2400 and Lil Gun, don't have any 296 or H110 currently, wish I did. I'll let everyone know how they work out of 2 different SBH's.

[happy7]

I did some shooting with the hollowpoint version of this mold yesterday. Alloy was 20:1 and I did two velocities. The slower one averaged about 890 fps and made a perfect mushroom bullet in wet phone books. Weight retention was close to 100% and it was everything you could ask for. The other at 1100 fps was quite simply devastating and probably close to or at maximum. It blew a hole about three inches in diameter through the first few phone books and shred the first half of the bullet. The bottom half continued to penetrate another foot or so. If Dirty Harry had this bullet, the special effects guys would have had to stay up late trying to figure out how to make a corpse with a three inch hole though it! The slower velocity would be perfect for hunting I would think.